I cannot argue with what your saying now. Only haggle over the finer points. I think you are right/correct. But I think it is in the finer points that we will get to the bottom of it.
QuoteNixon was famously doing it and only famous because he got caught
But Nixon did not kill American citizens. Obama has killed, or caused the killing of several.
Watergate did not end in a gunfight that left children dead. He did not use the IRS to terrify privet citizens. (Hard to imagine that the IRS needs any help.)
In the end, Nixon was a strange man who made bad choices. And those choices destroyed his Presidency.
Obama's choices have killed his own people, destroyed the economic future of millions, and virtually guaranteed that this generation will not prosper as all other generations before us. Ours is the first generation in American history to do less well than the generation that proceeded. And Obama-care is a total disaster. Many will die and be hurled into deeper poverty because of it.
Some will say it was bad before Obama, and would be bad without him. Yes, thats true. But now it is even worse! And yes I know that there are many more people to share responsibility. But Obama is in charge, he is also the leader of his party. Nothing gets done without the President.
QuoteMaybe your surprise and shock is because you are told you come from "The Land of the Free", that you have a constitution, a "Bill of Rights", "Deceleration of Independence" etc. Pardon my ignorance here and I don't mean to be rude but I hope you'll get my point. These pieces of paper have served successive administrations to provide the illusion (and a very palpable one at that) of freedom. We in the UK and I think in many parts of Europe do not have these (France may be an exception). I am a "Subject of Her Britannic Majesty", not a citizen, I have obligations, not rights and this is instilled from birth. So from my perspective all governments and administrations are my overlord. I can winge and complain about as much as I like but it makes no difference, I was never told I was free.
I am not naive (just a bad writer). I know about those things you mention, enough of it anyway. And I know about even worse things my government has done in the past.
But here is the point then.
All of those things were illegal under the constitution. Though laws were written to say that the Government had power and right to do as they wish, under the constitution those laws are invalid.
Under the constitution murder is murder, no mater the political justification.
So then according to what you wrote. While you have no legal recourse against crimes committed against your people, by your government because you are the property of the state. The constitution guarantees the American people the legal framework to take our leaders by the hair and drag them to the electric chair, or just prison maybe... After a trial of course.
Because we ARE free, regardless if our Government agrees or not. This is the 2nd amendment, the right to keep and bear arms. For this purpose we have the right to have weapons. And not the kind you use for sport, but the kind you use to kill men. Many men.
So thats the real difference. The constitution makes revolution legal. And gives us an orderly way to revolt, and to do justice to our government. It assures that the government can never ask, "by what right do the people rise up?". And then use that question to suppress us.
We have all seen this in the 3rd world, where a government is overthrown only to return because the people had no grounds to throw them down. Then we watch as the returned powers punish the people who revolted.
The constitution guarantees among honest men, that the people are free, and have all authority.
That men are dishonest is why all of the things we are talking about are done in secret. Nixon knew what he was doing was wrong, that is why he hid it.
Obama knows likewise, that is why he is prosecuting whistleblowers. He is protecting himself, not us.
The American people have endured a lot, for a long time! We have trusted and we have waited. But now I wonder if patience has run out? I am curious to see if everyone is as angry as I feel about PRISIM and all the other stuff we have been talking about.
About what you said of England.
That was the most interesting part of what you wrote, to me. I have never heard a Brit put it so bluntly before (we are all protective of our countries, and we should be) But I really appreciate what you said. I think you are speaking the truth. And I am trying to do the same.
But to tell you the truth I did not know what you said. I thought that the Magna Carta gave you similar protections as the constitution? I know that the constitution is in part inspired and informed by the Magna Carta.
Not to long ago, american children were required to study English and French history. Because of our unique relationship; War of independence, louisiana purchase, the country of haiti, world wars, and so on. But not anymore. I only know what I do know because Im curious on my own.
To steal from Steven King, "we have forgotten the faces of our fathers", here