Awe As A Time Of Day

Started by Upon Infinity, November 05, 2013, 11:55:33 PM

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Upon Infinity

Back by popular demand.  1 or 2 more tweaks and I can declare victory.  8)  Thanks for all the input, guys.

Dune

Yes, very nice! Are you afraid of copyright infringement or is your name part of the image for other reasons?

mhaze


Upon Infinity

Quote from: Dune on February 10, 2014, 02:18:56 AM
Yes, very nice! Are you afraid of copyright infringement or is your name part of the image for other reasons?

Yes, I am.  I've come a long way on this journey of mine to complete this particular project.  I'm not going to be shown up when I'm this close to being done.  Am I little paranoid?  Probably. 

Kadri


Looks nice.
Everything on the internet gets steeled in that or this way or amount.
I don't think that using your name in that way will prevent it.
It takes less then 5 seconds to get rid of your name from your image in Photoshop for example, you know.

kaedorg

I must admit that  Internet is an easy place to steal other people works.

I work on an important project for a postcard editor and they don't have and don't want a web site.
They even refuse to receive my files by email or dropbox.
Only way is in person or posting an usb key.
Part of the contract also means no small renders or crops here or on any site.

David


Upon Infinity

Yes, well, online is probably safe, anyways, and I'm probably a little irrational about it.  I can probably trust that the low-res coupled with compression distortion will be enough to disarm any serious thieves.  However, I have been ripped off in the past.  I used to do work for an aerial photography company and I stupidly allowed them have control of my original files for printing, allowing them to create as many impressions of my work as they wanted, even after I left the company (which they did).

But, if people feel it detracts from the image that much, then I'll go to something a little more subtle.  I mean, if it comes down to proving it in a court, then I still have the original files, right?

This feedback is important.  I don't, personally, know any other artists, so I have no idea what others do to protect their work. 

Kadri


You can use the way you like it ; it is not up to me to say anything in that regard.
That was not what i mean.
I only wanted to say that this will not prevent steeling itself.
One of the best ways is probably as you said not using big images .
Don't give anyone your original images-3D objects etc. unless there is a reason to absolutely do so and choose your rate accordingly.
Would be good to hear what others think about this.



Dune

I don't know if it's very profitable for the thieves to steal some image from the web. And as long as you don't post too big, it can only be used for postcards or websites. My images have been misused, which kinda annoys me, so I won't post too big or perfect finished work. And I'm also reluctant to give my large files to even the one who contracted me, but I don't want to get too paranoid about it. Life goes on, and as long as I can create new stuff, I'm fine. And if I do see misuse, I just send a bill. Most companies who ('accidentally', newspapers are terrible!) print something of mine, are not too happy about court stuff, so it usually ends satisfactory for both.
Especially with TG stuff, the maker can always definitively prove he's the maker! If you haven't given a way your files, that is...

Tangled-Universe

I think I kind of understand what you mean, but I have a few but's...

The things that happened to your aerial photography are, quite frankly, your own mistake.
That has little to do with forgetting to watermark your images. You made a mistake with the conditions for selling your work to them.
If you made those images when you were actually employed by them, so not on freelance basis, then your work is their property.
The best thing you could have done, in retrospect, is have them sign a contract that you can use some of your work for your own CV/Reel.
Nonetheless, it seems you have learned from this experience anyway.

Secondly, when I google for my Terragen renders I find them on japanese/chinese sites, perhaps a russian site here and there and a dozen of small english websites who mention Terragen in some way.
I actually really don't mind they show my work there, it's actually good! If someone is interested to know and my name is not mentioned alongside the render then you can find my name very easily by reverse image searching using google. It's superfast and easy to do that.
I don't see a problem there, although it's not "chique" to post other people's work without crediting them.
On the other hand, since I'm an alpha tester for Planetside and a contributor to their website gallery I also have an increased "risk" of having my renders being associated with the product. That can't be a negative thing for me. Rather for Planetside :P

They sometimes "use" my work, but they don't earn money with it and if they would...how much would they make and how much would I make out of it? Zero.
There's no market for selling these kind of still renders.
In the past I had all my stuff on Zazzle, for instance, resulting in a whopping ZERO sales ;D
So yes, I think you're a little bit paranoid, but given the history you described I definitely do sympathize with you.
However, as you said, with this render quality and resolution there's little rationale for watermarking it.

Cheers,
Martin

Upon Infinity

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2014, 03:48:24 AM
In the past I had all my stuff on Zazzle, for instance, resulting in a whopping ZERO sales ;D

That's surprising.  Most of my sales come from Zazzle.  Which isn't to say I make a lot of money off of it.  Certainly not enough to quit my day job.  Still, considering there are literally billions of products on that site designed by millions of artists, it a miracle I sell anything.

TheBadger

I like this image a lot. Its very good I think.

About the stealing of images.

I think its less the image, and more any original ideas in the image (any story it may contain), that you must protect; original characters, vehicles, and especially words. I don't post that stuff at any size.
But its a catch. On the one hand we all stand on the shoulders of those who came first. No one has an "original" idea. Everything is inspired by something or someone else And I think we all need to continue the process of inspiring one another.

And on the other hand, its so competitive, that you have to keep things to your self, so that you may profit from them and recover some of your investment.

On the images alone. Put a web address to your website. Then at least when they get put up somewhere its free advertising for you.
But if people are stealing them and using them on stock sites, or other websites, or in advertisement. Just hope it is done by McDonald's or BMW or something like this, then you can sue  ;D

Otherwise forget it. There is nothing that can be done. Post very small, like a stamp size.  ;)

I like seeing the finished work here. But I understand why some only post experiments and stuff




Maybe at some point, the law will catch up to the internet, and some balance will be created? Something that protects the internet AND content creators?

... And maybe instead of winning the lotto, I can just shit a gold brick?
It has been eaten.

TheBadger

Selling your own work on-line is hard.

You really have to get lucky with viewers. It a lot better to sell your printed works at an art fair. I know of people who do this all year and make good bank.
It has been eaten.

Upon Infinity

Path?

TheBadger

A path is a good idea. But your image does not lend its self to one.

If you look you see that the path takes the viewer out of the image, leads us away. But if you can get it to bend to the tree, run past that fence, and off into the direction of the sunset, then it would be very nice.

It does create some additional light from reflection. I did not see before, but now I see there is a steep hill on the right. Could be nice to have the path but I don't think its a must.
It has been eaten.