Cheers all, as I said a long way to go yet. The cloud I'm not happy with its too warm against the cold mountain. I'd like to get the cloud following the mountain shape pouring over it as it were but I'm dammed if I can get it to work! I'm not sure the general structure of the pic(2 HFs) will take much manipulation of the POV but I'll play some more. I'm not happy with the poppy leaves and I want to add some more plants, tree stumps and trees. Oh and some birds and 2 donkeys packing loads a man and a boy and maybe a deer!!!!!