Feature request - population macro manage / "easy population"

Started by N-drju, May 04, 2020, 12:24:19 pm

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Dune

I probably misunderstood what you guys are referring too, as I work in undulating terrains too and never have problems with anchors and whatnot.

WAS

Quote from: Dune on May 07, 2020, 04:06:37 amI probably misunderstood what you guys are referring too, as I work in undulating terrains too and never have problems with anchors and whatnot.
It was just easier changing it out as a plug rather than a strong/drop-down, and in most my cases at least it requires a new compute, or shader set, other than compute terrain. Sometimes my patch size of my terrain is more or less in line with proceeding shaders but I often gotta change it.

N-drju

The amount of replies to this topic clearly shows that populator needs some kind of a revamp.
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sboerner

I'd be happy if you could just reference more than one source object, and set the relative weight of each.

No complaints here about the anchor field, as I usually reset that anyway. The only time it's an issue is when I duplicate a population and want it to be anchored to the same node, and have to reset it. But that's pretty minor.

Dune

Yes, copy/paste is pretty easy. I'm glad the lines are gone anyway. The only thing that bothers me sometimes is that a pop looks the same as an object. Sometimes, when I add a pop it ends up somewhere between a big number of objects. So maybe it can have a different color, or some other sign (big P in the rectangle).

N-drju

Quote from: Dune on May 08, 2020, 02:17:03 amThe only thing that bothers me sometimes is that a pop looks the same as an object. Sometimes, when I add a pop it ends up somewhere between a big number of objects. So maybe it can have a different color, or some other sign (big P in the rectangle).

That's practically unavoidable at 10+ populations. The way I do it, is by attaching a colour to "key populations" and keep "filler tiles" white. As Richard put it, densities need to be planned ahead. Something, I guess, I still have to learn.
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Dune

I get the impression we have a misunderstanding. I was talking about the nodes themselves, not the pop rectangles in the preview.

N-drju

Quote from: Dune on May 08, 2020, 04:54:56 amI get the impression we have a misunderstanding. I was talking about the nodes themselves, not the pop rectangles in the preview.

Ah, this thing. Ok. ;)
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Tangled-Universe

Quote from: Dune on May 07, 2020, 01:36:36 amI don't think I want to loose that anchor possibility, as I often anchor on some other shader (like the last or an extra displacement for half-sunk instances). I often don't even use a compute terrain, so pops don't anchor to the planet at all, which means I have to reassign anyway.

I didn't say we need to get rid of it, I meant to say I want to be able to copy/paste populations from one project to the other and have them work/render right away without having the need to go through all of them again defining anchors.
I think that's also what was referred to being a PIA.

Nala1977

i would love a node that would group objects and then scatter a random number of the objects in that group in one go.

lets say you have a patch of grass, a dandelion, and a bush, instead of creating 3 different population nodes, you group them with a GroupPop node (example) and then scatter that group, in the GroupPop node you would set to randomly pick between the object inside it and scatter them.

N-drju

Quote from: Nala1977 on May 08, 2020, 08:23:13 ami would love a node that would group objects and then scatter a random number of the objects in that group in one go.

That's exactly the "item of first necessity" that we would like to see in TG.
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Dune

Yes, I figured that too finally, Martin. Hence my note about misunderstanding.

WAS

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 08, 2020, 08:04:18 am
Quote from: Dune on May 07, 2020, 01:36:36 amI don't think I want to loose that anchor possibility, as I often anchor on some other shader (like the last or an extra displacement for half-sunk instances). I often don't even use a compute terrain, so pops don't anchor to the planet at all, which means I have to reassign anyway.

I didn't say we need to get rid of it, I meant to say I want to be able to copy/paste populations from one project to the other and have them work/render right away without having the need to go through all of them again defining anchors.
I think that's also what was referred to being a PIA.

Seems like there could be a simple check for that when pasting/inserting clips. Though honestly, you'd think it'd be part of the clip "Planet 01" and "Compute Terrain" and be pretty cross compatible with projects and work already, so I wonder what's up. In XPath logic it should work wherever.

N-drju

I just thought it could also be nice to have an outline populator. For instance, if you would like to create an irregularly shaped flower bed surrounded by a palisade. This cannot be done with the regular X, Y, Z placement. That would perhaps require a path-defining tool or a curve tool.
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WAS

Quote from: N-drju on May 13, 2020, 03:45:29 amI just thought it could also be nice to have an outline populator. For instance, if you would like to create an irregularly shaped flower bed surrounded by a palisade. This cannot be done with the regular X, Y, Z placement. That would perhaps require a path-defining tool or a curve tool.
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