Yeah I know about the IFW node stuff as I'm primarily an Imagine3D and that's where those textures started, Imagine for Windows...LOL[when it migrated from the Amiga]...maybe a dead program but it's name lives on, and rightly so as it was one of the very first 3D apps waaaaay back on the Amiga in the '80s. So basically every one is sayin't he same thing...as I thought...when there's a SDK for TG2 maybe we'll get some cunning coder writing plugins for at least Dark Tree, dunno if IFW can be done as they're based on Imagine procedurals, which you would have to buy and they're not that cheap for the whole whack, although they are very powerful. One can only hope.