NK_Sunset

[Hannes]

OK, next question: how long does it render and how does it look with RT objects (nothing else) and detail 0.5?

[aymenk2003]

OK, next question: how long does it render and how does it look with RT objects (nothing else) and detail 0.5?

Since I have a very slow machine ...
I have to make a test render before sleepng and you'll get  an answer early in the morning ...
N.KAID...

[dandelO]

Since we don't have terrain it seems Ok to render at low detail...

I don't think render detail has any impact at all in this case. I think that renderer detail isn't a factor in this scene, since you only have sky and objects.

The water looking better here with RTE=on is a lucky coincidence.

[aymenk2003]

....The water looking better here with RTE=on is a lucky coincidence....

The water is a lake with two merged watershader s ...some work is done differently to each one (watershader )

N.KAID

[Tangled-Universe]

*sigh* Come on guys, just read:

http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=8300.0

and

http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=8280.msg88228#msg88228

Don't want to sound like a dick or "know it all" but There's barely response to Matt's explanation/topic, but confusion all over the place, unnecessary and a bit of a waste of time here if you'd ask me... Matt has explained this thoroughly and well; this is how it works and explains what you're confusing each other about.

[aymenk2003]

Thanks TU...

N.KAID...

[dandelO]

*sigh* Come on guys, just read:

http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=8300.0

and

http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=8280.msg88228#msg88228

Don't want to sound like a dick or "know it all" but There's barely response to Matt's explanation/topic, but confusion all over the place, unnecessary and a bit of a waste of time here if you'd ask me... Matt has explained this thoroughly and well; this is how it works and explains what you're confusing each other about.

Martin: I certainly have read the posts about the new rendering features, I'm not trying to confuse people.

From what I can gather, through physically testing it, is that, the detail slider has no function in a 'RTE' atmosphere. If I set it to '0' there is no render, of course, but any other setting in render detail seems to result in the same output.
And, when I said that the water looked better ray traced was true. Because it isn't rendered with as much detail in the ray tracer(it being a lake object), it simply 'looks' better. I didn't say it was rendered more correctly or anything.

I think that Aymenk could render this .tgd with a final render detail of 0.01 and still get the rendered output of his first post.

Also, Matt doesn't specifically say that render detail is disregarded in RTE settings. Only that image quality in this setting now depends heavily on AA levels.

Sorry for any confusion I've created, I didn't mean it this way.

[Tangled-Universe]

I know you don't mean/intend to, of course
It's a good thing you're after this, but I (think I can lol) notice that it's a bit confusing. Given your reasoning you might be right about this.
Matt should answer about the RTE atmosphere thing then whenever he's able to, but so far people can better stick to the ideas he vented before.
Though not intentionally people do get confused now, especially when the raytracer gives "unexpected" results when using it for something it isn't originally meant for

[aymenk2003]

OK, next question: how long does it render and how does it look with RT objects (nothing else) and detail 0.5?

the Time was 6:22:51 with RTO on RTE off and detail of 0.6
btw I increased the res to 1024x602
the sky is OK but the water ...

[aymenk2003]

@Dandelo....I think that Aymenk could render this .tgd with a final render detail of 0.01 and still get the rendered output of his first post....

RTO : off
RTE : on
Detail 0.01
Crop on the water ...render time 2:55:25

N.KAID

[Hannes]

Thank you aymenk2003 for your effort. Although Matt wrote a lot about this RTE thing (which I read!) it is strange that the water looks worse with RTE off. Matt wrote that lake objects would look better with the default micro-polygon 'rasteriser' (see, I read it!  ).

[Henry Blewer]

The render quality of the water shader may be affected by the merged water shaders. If only one was use the result would be smoother looking.

[Tangled-Universe]

The render quality of the water shader may be affected by the merged water shaders. If only one was use the result would be smoother looking.

I think so too, the RTE isn't rendered correctly and because the example is very bad it looks like RTE is better, which is not, and thus very confusing for everyone.

If render contains water and/or terrain -> RTE off and RTO on

"Period." 

[aymenk2003]

The render quality of the water shader may be affected by the merged water shaders. If only one was use the result would be smoother looking.

I think so too, the RTE isn't rendered correctly and because the example is very bad it looks like RTE is better, which is not, and thus very confusing for everyone.

If render contains water and/or terrain -> RTE off and RTO on

"Period." 

...come on TU ...bad example or good example...I'm not a beta tester ,I just want to make things as I like them to be ...
We cannot find someone better than you who can make a Good example with RTE/RTO on/off...that way we can compare the different result...  friendly yours...

N.KAID

[Tangled-Universe]

I have solely good intentions with this, I merely want to prevent misunderstandings/confusion and also waste of time on your side as well.
A couple of posts ago I already dropped 2 links showing why this example is not suitable for comparisons.
I'm not saying I can make better examples or that you should, it's just that this isn't going to work for anybody to understand what's going on, I'm afraid.

- There are good examples already (by non-testers as well!) which show clearly the benefit in populations
- DandelO already showed that using the RT for rendering terrain gives slower and worse results.

All supported by Matt's directions to which I'm just sticking to what he told us and so far that has worked best by far.
By repeating that several times here and there, which is only meant to help and avoid problems etc., it's up to you to use it or try to invent the wheel yourselves

Cheers,
Martin