fed up of blue screen:(

Jack · March 21, 2010, 06:07:10 PM

Quote from: njeneb on March 21, 2010, 05:59:09 PM
It sounds to me like the memory controller is bad. These are now built into the CPU I believe.

mmmh how much would it cost for a new one?
im going to give it a full clean after school tonight and rearange the ram and make sure its sloted in right

Henry Blewer · March 21, 2010, 06:10:28 PM

The manufacturer warranty might cover the cost. On IBM computers, press F1 during the boot, before the disk starts loading. It varies by the ROM used by the manufacturer. Check their site for assistance.

jaf · March 21, 2010, 08:12:04 PM

I think memory controller problems would show up in the memory test.

Have you checked the CPU and System temperatures when rendering? It may be time for a cleanup -- it's good to check this often anyway.

freelancah · March 21, 2010, 08:15:42 PM

Have you tried a fresh windows install? That way you could rule out the software problems and focus on hardware. The fact that this happens only with 2 programs might suggest such a thing. Also you might want to run some harddrive diagnostic tools. For example if you got seagate HD you might want to try Seatools. http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools Also if you have lots of dust it might just be the temperature exceeding shutdown temperature. You can see how high it is set when you got to bios
Also when having unstability issues and you suspect your motherboard you should look out for these little buggers. They tend to pop after a year or two in "cheap" motherboards. Ive had lot of these come up when I've fixed computers

Jack · March 21, 2010, 09:42:42 PM

my cpu temp idols at 61c normally (NOT WHEN RENDERING) is that average?
also my hard drive is Western Digital is their any diagnostic tolls for a WD brand hard drive?
also with the memory tester it says my motherboard name then in brackets ECC diabled does anyone know what this means? sorry guys im an artist not a computer whizz

Henry Blewer · March 21, 2010, 11:05:01 PM

I can't help with the EEC. I doubt this is a harddrive problem. You would have more problems with other software. You could use Windows Diskcheck. Open the properties of your harddrive. Under the Tools tab is an Error Checking button. This would do the trick.

The temperature sounds ok. 20c is 68 degrees, so (guessing) 61c would be about 180 degrees.

Wikapedia'd EEC. It's an error checking skeem. You may want to enable this. It will slow things down a little.

Kadri · March 21, 2010, 11:35:52 PM

61c without rendering seems a little high to me. But it depends on the kind of cpu .
Check your fans (Case , mainboard , Cpu , Grapic card etc.) and test the temp with rendering.
I think it will on the 70-80 c hight and thus a little to high. But helping in such a situation from faraway isn't easy.
Do you have any friend who know this kind of things Wetbanana ? Or better ask the seller for help .

Maybe a little cleaning would help as you asked. I hope it will

Jack · March 22, 2010, 12:22:28 AM

yeah so im going to clean it out tonight

see how it goes.

Oshyan · March 22, 2010, 01:12:19 AM

61c at *idle* seems hot to me, but it does depend on the CPU. For a P4 that wouldn't be bad.

Not having ECC enabled is fine as you probably don't have ECC RAM anyway.

Since it passed the memory test, that means it's not likely the memory (or memory controller for that matter), but it does *not* mean it's not a hardware issue. You've just eliminated one possible hardware culprit.

The next thing I'd test is the graphics card. First make sure you have up-to-date drivers, then run a benchmark/stress test app of some kind. TG2 uses OpenGL, so I'd try FurMark first: http://www.geeks3d.com/20100202/furmark-1-8-0-hot-like-hell-edition-available/ and maybe also 3DMark (DirectX).

- Oshyan

Jack · March 22, 2010, 01:30:39 AM

Quote from: Oshyan on March 22, 2010, 01:12:19 AM
61c at *idle* seems hot to me, but it does depend on the CPU. For a P4 that wouldn't be bad.

Not having ECC enabled is fine as you probably don't have ECC RAM anyway.

Since it passed the memory test, that means it's not likely the memory (or memory controller for that matter), but it does *not* mean it's not a hardware issue. You've just eliminated one possible hardware culprit.

The next thing I'd test is the graphics card. First make sure you have up-to-date drivers, then run a benchmark/stress test app of some kind. TG2 uses OpenGL, so I'd try FurMark first: http://www.geeks3d.com/20100202/furmark-1-8-0-hot-like-hell-edition-available/ and maybe also 3DMark (DirectX).

- Oshyan

cool will test that out. could it be as simple as out of date drivers?

tempaccount · March 22, 2010, 04:04:53 AM

I recommend prime95 for spotting general stability errors with your CPU, PSU and memory. Recently caught some errors on a friend's comp which ran all the memory tests fine.

http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103

There's a 64-bit version also in the "Related files" section.

Regarding your graphcis card, I've tried ATItool on testing and stressing GPU temps.

http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

If you want all your temp sensors in one place, CPUID HWMonitor is the best tool I've found for that.

http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php

rcallicotte · March 22, 2010, 09:09:07 AM

Not saying it's impossible, but hardware is rarely the issue with these sorts of troubles.

tempaccount · March 22, 2010, 09:21:50 AM

Could be something simple, for example upgrading to a 64-bit os suddenly treats the RAM in a different way or a bad driver. It's always tough to tell what's causing these issues, even on your own-built machine, so the best bet is to run all manner of tests so you can narrow the list down.

Kadri · March 22, 2010, 10:52:06 AM

Yes there are many variables . For example ; virus , spyware , malware , trojan kind of problems could make problems too.
I doubt the others (spyware ...) but if a virus changed some files it is possible .
I hate this kind of position .
Don't t misunderstand me Wetbanana , i would love to be near your pc and look for the problem . But from internet it isn't so easy.
Sometimes it is a very basic problem . Of course if you know or can see it

Kadri · March 22, 2010, 11:00:29 AM

How much HD do you have Wetbanana? If you have more then 1 try to unplug the other....Check all the cables . Change the cables with others .
Be carefull with the temp of the HD's . They can be very hot too. Not a good thing of course. Unplug other hardware you don't need for testing.
Your PSU can be problematic too or did you buy anything new that is more power hungry ? The PSU could be not up to the demand.

Check the messages of the blue-screen sometimes it can help. For example ; if you see some things with graphic cards related it may be some kind of a card issue (driver or hardware ) .