Why I Hate 3-D - Roger Ebert

Started by Kadri, May 01, 2010, 06:21:27 pm

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Hannes

I'm wearing glasses too!!! Maybe that's the trick! I also have a (subtle) strabismus which should cause problems when I'm watching 3D, but hey, it doesn't, because I have a good optician!

Btw, I want my TG in 3D too!!

I recently bought some cheap glasses for watching 3D images or movies in the "over/under" method:
http://www.pixelpartner.de/openKMQen.htm
Crazy, it works.

For those who are interested in 3D there's a software named "stereoscopic player" which is cool too, because it can transform stereo movies or images from one method to another (let's say from crosseyed view to over/under etc.):
http://www.3dtv.at/Index_en.aspx

TheBlackHole

Quote from: ro-nin on May 02, 2010, 06:21:50 pm
I WANT MY TG IN 3D!!!!!!!

You can do a render in 3D. Render the way you want it, then move the camera over a few inches, composite them together, do the "crosseye" thing and tada! 3D!
They just issued a tornado warning and said to stay away from windows. Does that mean I can't use my computer?

Kadri

Quote from: TheBlackHole on May 02, 2010, 07:11:14 pm
Quote from: ro-nin on May 02, 2010, 06:21:50 pm
I WANT MY TG IN 3D!!!!!!!

You can do a render in 3D. Render the way you want it, then move the camera over a few inches, composite them together, do the "crosseye" thing and tada! 3D!


http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=9578.msg100897#msg100897

Oshyan

Quote from: ro-nin on May 02, 2010, 06:21:50 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on May 02, 2010, 12:51:11 am
Spot on. I hope it passes just as the 3d fads of past decades did.

- Oshyan


Why?!?!?? And, by the way, I WANT MY TG IN 3D!!!!!!!


Because even Avatar, the supposed pinnacle of 3D technology, wasn't very impressive to me in IMAX 3D, and IMHO was not particularly enhanced by the 3D effect. Dimmer? Absofriggenlutely. And Hannes, you may not have noticed it or think "they brighted it up to compensate", but in fact that's simply not possible because the actual physical technology that is used is incapable of being as bright as traditional cinema projection because of how it needs to split viewing for each eye. Ebert explains some of this I believe. So yes, it's dimmer and that sucks. All the more so depending on the 3D technology used.

The bottom line is I just don't see much benefit in 3D, same with Ebert. It is interesting and cool looking for a minority of non-realistic films, and other than that I see little use for it. I'm certainly never going to pay a price premium again to view in 3D. I have done so by now 5 or 6 times and have been disappointed almost every time. The one that was the best for me, believe it or not, was Beowulf (terribly movie, but decent 3D and not too dim), not Avatar. But I could have done without the 3D and the extra cost on the ticket. Theater movies are already too expensive.

Anyway, it seems to be a matter of personal preference, and that's fine. Quite honestly I'm glad that I am one of the ones who prefers the apparently less expensive technology, so I can avoid paying the $2-5 ticket premium. If I actually was as thrilled about it as some of you seem to be, I'd have to pay. ;)

- Oshyan

Hannes

This is really strange. I didn't even think for a second that it may be dimmer than ususal.
What I heard is that there are different methods of projecting and viewing in different theaters. Oshyan, you said you were in an Imax theater. I read about some people who saw Avatar in Imax theaters and in regular 3D cinemas as well.
Some reported that the effect was a lot better in regular theaters.

I don't understand why a lot of people think that 3D is only good for some non realistic movies. In my opinion every movie could benefit from the third dimension. Imagine documentary films. Wide shots, nature... I have seen some small (crosseyed stereo) films on youtube, one of them is a travelogue of a journey to Italy. The third dimension adds a lot to the feeling of being there (OK, I agree, when you're watching a film more than three minutes with your eyes crossed, you GET a headache! ;D).
After we had seen Avatar, my wife was really blown away from the 3D-effect. But she also said that this may be something for action movies or scifi movies. But I told her why not a Jane Austen movie in 3D? (SHE likes Jane Austen movies. SHE! ;)) I could imagine the depth would perfectly enhance the (admittedly) beautiful landscapes and also the interior shots.

All in all I think most of the arguments against 3D are the result of technical inadequacies. Luckily I didn't realise any of them. But I hope that there will be a further development in 3D.

latego

Some people are happy with 3D because some people have either perfect eyesight or perfectly balanced defects in both eyes or defects which are not harmful for the process of fusing images. I (shortsight+astigmatism, glasses, wildly different eyes) could check the thing with a 3D TV set in a mall and the image I saw with 3D glasses was even worse than without.

I believe in a different kind of 3D: the one you get out of holographic systems. With such "displays" you see the object in 3D because the image is really created in a volume of space (you can actually walk around the unit and watch the object from behind). The real breakthru would be something like the setup you see in Halo Wars trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azKfYQXGI_M&hd=1 ;D.

Walli

I just try to imagine how this would be in cinema. People standing up and running to the other side of the room to watch behind something ;-)

Tangled-Universe

Quote from: Walli on May 03, 2010, 08:45:10 am
I just try to imagine how this would be in cinema. People standing up and running to the other side of the room to watch behind something ;-)


Actually they should not be able to do this:

People could look a movie in "real" 3D holographic projects, look around, see the characters etc. etc....all in 360 degrees full 3D.

The effect could be that people will go even two or three times to the same movie to see the same scene from another angle, like "oh damn...that scene I looked to the right, but actually the coolest part was on the left I'm told" etc. etc.

Now that would be awesome ;D and 2050 :(

Kadri


I thought there is no need for a new topic...

" Why Do 3-D Movies Make Some People Hurl?  "

http://www.livescience.com/technology/why-3D-makes-us-sick-100527.html

Seth

Movies are evil. Go get a book !

seriously, 3D in Avatar was just great and I saw the movie 2D on Bluray , it was not as good as in 3D... 3D added a lot to the mood and the "realism".

sjefen

May 30, 2010, 01:24:28 pm #25 Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 01:33:33 pm by sjefen
I think the future is something more in this direction.
Even tho this is from 2005, it's a lot better then what the cinemas are using today. I guess this requires the whole movie to be CG, but I don't think thats the biggest problem today.

Edit: This is with Madonna on the stage and with better quality.

Edit again: I just read that the Madonna we saw on the stage with Gorillaz was virtual as well, but not the rappers.

Regards,
Terje
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Kadri

May 30, 2010, 01:47:41 pm #26 Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 03:34:45 pm by Kadri
Quote from: sjefen on May 30, 2010, 01:24:28 pm
I think the future is something more in this direction.
Even tho this is from 2005, it's a lot better then what the cinemas are using today. I guess this requires the whole movie to be CG, but I don't think thats the biggest problem today.
Edit: This is with Madonna on the stage and with better quality.
Edit again: I just read that the Madonna we saw on the stage with Gorillaz was virtual as well, but not the rappers.
Regards,
Terje


Terje , this is interesting and nice !
Is this really a 3D Hologram ? They say 1 camera is enough...
This looks more lıke a clever projection technique then 3D ?

http://www.musion.co.uk/watch_setup_video.html
http://www.musion.co.uk/index.html
(the video there is funny)

sjefen

I believe this is a real working 3D Hologram.
You can walk to the other side of the room and look at the characters from a different angle.

I don't remember how they did it, but it is still awesome :P

Regards,
Terje
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Kadri

Quote from: sjefen on May 30, 2010, 04:42:48 pm
I believe this is a real working 3D Hologram.
You can walk to the other side of the room and look at the characters from a different angle.
...


Then it must be real Hologram !

It is really awesome! Even more so if you like Gorillaz (I like them)  :)

sjefen

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