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Title: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 06, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
It's quite a long time since I did something new. I always had to vary views frome scenes in my film I had already done. But one tribute was still completely missing: LoR ;)

This is a first test if my new model from Turbosquid works. I had much work to do to reduce the original 90MB fbx-Model into a usable Terragen-size But I think it worked:

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Hobbit House including some interior by Agustin Pagliaro on TurboSquid
Foreground grass by Walli (the big groundcover bundle was on sale some time ago)
Most other plants by XFrog
For the grass in the far I played around with dandelO s fractal grass shader


The whole idea began when I found a kind of similarity here:

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...and of course I'll have to do something about that :)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 06, 2018, 01:55:05 AM
Great. Good lighting too. It looks like a ufo from the object image, so I guess it'll take off in your movie  ::) Maybe just after someone just stepped out....
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 06, 2018, 02:06:40 AM
Oh dear, you gave me a new idea again, Ulco... always the same with you! ;D ;D

The poseray picture is a rear view of the top of the enterprise. Would be funny if a scene starts with the Enterprise buried in the mountain and the starting... But all the dirt durst and earthmoving effects would be too much for me... But how often did I say this... ;)

But the plan is a combination of animated surface-merging and fading so that you get a clever crossfade between the Hobbit hole to the flying Enterprise:

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The picture on the left is NOT a render. It's a picture from the original Hobbithole in Lord of the Rings ;)
As well as the outside Hobbit hole in the first post :)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 06, 2018, 02:34:31 AM
 :-X (from now on)
Animated merging of 2 states of the terrain would work; one with the thing buried, the other a huge hole in its place. Animated pops of rock can do the dust and rocks falling.... but I don't want your ETA set 5 years later again....  ;)
And I recognized the photo's.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: WAS on July 06, 2018, 02:35:29 AM
Looks cool. Also knew that was a Federation ship in first post. Lol
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 06, 2018, 02:47:19 AM
Ulco as you know I meanwhile gave up any ETA ;)
As you perfectly noted once ago: The journey is the destination :)
But starting the Enterprise from inside the hill would unfortunately really not fit into the movie storyline.  :'( A pity  - because the thought is so cool :)


And thank you WASasquatch :)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 06, 2018, 04:31:12 AM
Maybe a baby Enterprise as a joke, lifting from a mole heap alongside some road.....
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 07, 2018, 03:33:22 AM
 ;D nice idea, Ulco  :)

Meanwile after some changes it looks closer to what I want:
Yesterday I found the "Deck Chair - Red - Weathered" by polygon-playground on cgtrader and was immedeately in love ... :)
I exchanged all the identical cottages by a Medieval village (free) by emelnikov on Turbosquid
I added some of Chris' moss and some xFrog groundcover between the stones.
Most important - I didn't like the first version of the cliffs in the backgound - I like the new ones more.
The window glasses don't throw shadows any more and are slightly tinted now.
Last but not least I added an old cart, I found in my library, some more xFrog trees in the background  and here we go:

Frame 001 of 250:
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Frame 250 of 250:
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Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Kadri on July 07, 2018, 09:13:38 AM

Looks good.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Agura Nata on July 07, 2018, 10:38:21 AM
Great look my friend!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: bobbystahr on July 07, 2018, 06:54:52 PM
I really like where you've taken this and even though I have that hobbit house I think I was trying it as an interior to work on indoor lighting and never thought to open the door and have a look around...it's a great PoV...keep on tweaking....
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: WAS on July 07, 2018, 10:22:15 PM
Looks really nice. Love the lighting outside. Though I do feel the internal TG bloom isn't a good fit as it ends up hazy. You may get better effects with a custom bloom in post like AE that's isolated to the bright areas with levels and gaussian blur.

Even something super simple like levels 45 - 0.45 - 255 and a guassian of 35 pixels. Example for feel (nevermind the jpeg destruction)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Oshyan on July 08, 2018, 12:17:59 AM
TG's bloom *is* isolated to bright areas. The "glow everywhere" can be created with settings adjustment, which seems to be an effect the Doc likes. It's not always to my taste, but the "dreamy" look is a commonly loved thing I think. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: WAS on July 08, 2018, 12:33:12 AM
Quote from: Oshyan on July 08, 2018, 12:17:59 AM
TG's bloom *is* isolated to bright areas. The "glow everywhere" can be created with settings adjustment, which seems to be an effect the Doc likes. It's not always to my taste, but the "dreamy" look is a commonly loved thing I think. :D

- Oshyan

I've noticed, you enabled bloom, set to 0.1, and you always get an overall haze. Not sure what you're talking about. It's not isolated to true brights and incorporates mid-tones.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 08, 2018, 01:48:32 AM
Exquisite, Nils!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Hannes on July 08, 2018, 05:19:07 AM
Very cool, Nils. I love the details.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 08, 2018, 01:52:37 PM
Thank you all :)

Bobby, I found the hobbit house interior with the door already open here:
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/hobbit-house-3d-model/1103991 (https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/hobbit-house-3d-model/1103991)
A little bit expensive in my eyes because I had to work on it almost a week with blender to miminimize the number of faces and to get a clean texturing that all works in TG. The original fbx file had almost 100 MB and the direct conversion as object file was 340 MB! E.g. the bronce spheres at the door had some thousand faces EVERY sphere! ;D 
I seperated the whole model into some parts and could reduce all to a maximum of 50 MB for the biggest part (some xFrog plants have more ;)

Oshyan and WASasquatch you're both almost right :) I used bloom and starburst of 0.65. Usually I use smaller or no bloom and higher starburst. In fact the "dreamy look" seems to be my typical stile meanwhile :)

The reason for the hazy/dreamy look here: In this TG setup I cheated a bit with the dimensions. We are on a floating big cube (with some Softer Voronoi Cracks by mhaze) and with all the Hobbit stuff and the close plants on it. The background is almost 10 times the size of the foreground and quite far away so I get the hazy look I wanted with a minimum of atmosphere haze density. So I could get a render time of "only" 1 hour for the first and about 100 minutes for the second render. Though I used 1920x1080 pixel at 0.7 detail and AA 7. So I have good chances to get quite fast rendering with my typical "animation settings" of 1280x720 px at 0.4 or 0.5 detail and AA5.

Besides the scene will be longer than I thought: First an opening book (on the right side next to the fern) where the first page will be read, then turning and moving to the door. Perhaps I will show the writing deskwith the book here... but later the rest will play in the animations area again ;)

Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: WAS on July 08, 2018, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: DocCharly65 on July 08, 2018, 01:52:37 PM
Besides the scene will be longer than I thought: First an opening book (on the right side next to the fern) where the first page will be read, then turning and moving to the door. Perhaps I will show the writing deskwith the book here... but later the rest will play in the animations area again ;)

That will look really fun to see. Somewhat like the end of LOTR series.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 09, 2018, 06:11:45 PM
Some LoR purists will want to kill me and give me Smaug to eat... But I couldn't stop... Now the scene is ready to render.

I did some tests before I started the renderjob:

The book closed:
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A look through the room while turning to the door:
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I think in the animation the room will look a bit brighter because of the blended gi cache files.
The KingKong by Peter Jackson Poster is a bit more on the left side meanwhile and unfortunately in the animation the parchment Enterpriseblueprint will be mostly covered by the (opened) book. A pity but necessary because of the camera settings.
And of course the title of the book is the "original" film title... does anybody remember? ;)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Oshyan on July 09, 2018, 07:03:15 PM
Hahah, oh I do love your sense of humor. You are great to have around here. :)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: WAS on July 09, 2018, 07:15:59 PM
Haha oh I love the posters.

But this is still such a unique idea that even some purists may be swayed by the prospect of dueling Gorn's and toasting Romulan ale under a Risan sunset.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 10, 2018, 02:40:49 AM
Bilbo Kirk  :D ;D ;D ;D (I knew he was a schizo)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 10, 2018, 04:13:39 AM
Thanks :) It makes me happy that some of you share my sense of humor :)

At the moment I do some animation-testrenders in low quality because the camera path is quite difficult this time.

Would any native English forum member (doesn't matter if US or UK) be so kind and have a look at the complete first page of the book?
I'd like to have a most perfect english here and my Oxford school englisch is almost 40 years old and badly influenced by google translator ;)

Your advantage would be:
- You will see the final concept for the beginning of the film as first person ever.
- And I could offer a special highlight in the credits.

Your disadvantage would be:
- You will have seen the final concept for the beginning of the film as first person - the surprise is spoiled.[/li][/list]

If somebody is interested please pn me then we can exchange data (a dox-file) via email because I'll not post the books page here at the moment.

In one day in the future I'll have to ask the same question for one female and one male narrator. I have planned to let the narrators play ALL roles (like in the old Laurel&Hardy films - but my male narrator doesn't need to do the female voices ;) )
Then it will be much easier and comfortable to follow the film.


Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 10, 2018, 05:08:56 AM
A google translation and/or narration by a NON-English native would be more fun, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Hannes on July 10, 2018, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: Dune on July 10, 2018, 02:40:49 AM
Bilbo Kirk  :D ;D ;D ;D (I knew he was a schizo)

...or maybe Spock Baggins. The ears, you know... ;D ;D ;D
Cool ideas!!!!

For the narrators: which nationality has the worst accent when talking english? Ze Görmans maybe?  ;D ;D Since I'm a german I'm allowed to say that!  ;)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: luvsmuzik on July 10, 2018, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: Hannes on July 10, 2018, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: Dune on July 10, 2018, 02:40:49 AM
Bilbo Kirk  :D ;D ;D ;D (I knew he was a schizo)

...or maybe Spock Baggins. The ears, you know... ;D ;D ;D
Cool ideas!!!!

For the narrators: which nationality has the worst accent when talking english? Ze Görmans maybe?  ;D ;D Since I'm a german I'm allowed to say that!  ;)

When I first started reading this LOR, (yes a book) that is what I was thinking...."He is gonna turn out to be a Vulcan!" Good idea Hannes!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 11, 2018, 02:46:06 AM
A Frechman/lady and a Germ-man would be great together  ;D
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 11, 2018, 10:14:39 AM
;D

while you discussed the language, I added a little extension:
What is a Lord of the Rings story without "MY TREASURE" (you must imagine Gollum's voice in your head ;)  )

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In the animation the wooden sign above the chest will be readable better.
Beause I was unsatisfied with the original coins in the treasure chest (only a simple plane with a texture and bumpmap) I chose a little population of single coins. I like it more. The Beatles record is a simple cube with a cover I found in internet. I did a google search for the most expensive records of the world as an adequate part of "my treasure" :)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 11, 2018, 10:21:24 AM
Cool!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 13, 2018, 09:31:38 AM
The idea itself works...
10 - 100 - 1000 years:

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Now you know how Hobbit holes really are built ;)
...some more work on details and background... but then...
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: luvsmuzik on July 13, 2018, 10:00:13 AM
Awww...that is just too cool! :)
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Oshyan on July 13, 2018, 03:54:50 PM
Oh WOW that's good. I love it! :D

The green door just seems a little *too* bright green for me. But maybe a matter of personal taste.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on July 14, 2018, 03:12:28 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Hannes on July 14, 2018, 04:05:48 AM
Cool and funny idea!! And very well done, Nils!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Kadri on July 14, 2018, 04:06:19 AM

Nice.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: masonspappy on July 14, 2018, 08:15:25 AM
Frodo is here. Trump has the ring!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 14, 2018, 04:17:21 PM
Thanks to all :)
@ masonspappy: Funny... in my first concept for "Bilbos book" I wrote that Sauron was president... ;D But I thought it's too hard... ;)
@ Oshyan: you saw what I saw too :)  I reduced the saturation of the doors texture a bit.

After many last changes I'll call it final now untill I go on the work for the animation.
Here now with the "doc-typical dreamy haziness":

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Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 14, 2018, 04:20:19 PM
And the second one with more details and meanwhile more than 40 ivys...

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Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: masonspappy on July 14, 2018, 10:31:27 PM
Of Course, you would never see a Klingon  battle cruiser in such a predicament.  They do not fall from the sky.....
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: WAS on July 14, 2018, 11:11:44 PM
Haha! Wow that's so awesome! I actually didn't expect this transformation from the original screenshtos. This is so imaginative.
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: bobbystahr on July 15, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: DocCharly65 on July 14, 2018, 04:20:19 PM
And the second one with more details and meanwhile more than 40 ivys...

[attach=1]

Holy Crap that must take forever to load...great work man!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 20, 2018, 05:16:35 AM
I decided I need someone to open the book... Unfortunately, the wand does not seem to work properly. Presumably he is glued with nail polish ... ;)

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...the next message is probably already out of my animation post ;)

3Dfoin - Fairy by 3DRT on CGTrader for 27.97$
I got 30% discount after a very very nice conversation with a very very nice woman from CGTrader, who did a poll and spent me some discount as reward

It was a long time twiggeling to get the wings and the skirt transparent as I wanted but with my old concept of TCs helicopter rotor I got it:

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First I had to seperate wings and skirt and hat to animate them seperately. And I needed modified textures:

Original:
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Modified for wings:
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EDIT: Sh*t... I shouldn't have opened my mouth... I found out in the second that 3DRT offer a discount of 50% at the moment... pffff...
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: bobbystahr on July 20, 2018, 08:32:57 AM
Nicely done man...
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 13, 2018, 03:32:53 AM
Thanks bobby :)

Meanwhile most work on the scene is done and I am waiting for the rendered results.

As usual some additional animations for the scene:

1)
Fairy walking to the door:
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Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 13, 2018, 03:35:10 AM
2)
Historical documents about the last big spaceships.
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Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Dune on August 13, 2018, 03:42:45 AM
Myst... Riven... I love it!!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: Hannes on August 13, 2018, 03:43:48 AM
 ;D ;D ;D Insanely good!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: mhaze on August 13, 2018, 05:27:54 AM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: View from a hobbit hole
Post by: WAS on August 13, 2018, 02:09:53 PM
Quote from: DocCharly65 on August 13, 2018, 03:35:10 AM
2)
Historical documents about the last big spaceships.
[attach=1]   [attach=2]   [attach=3]

The lighting and atmosphere on these books is great. Very realistic.