Again, testing some new trees, and while I was at it......
Really like the colours here. Like Black Forrest pine forest. The ground vegetation is a good contrast to the darkness. I thought I commented on this already but I guess signal wasn't so good. Great work here. Only thing that draws my attention is the snag branches. They seem maybe tad to straight giving them a easily perceivable repetition.
Oh, that looks very realistic and very moody. Agree about the branches.
So I added some more branches and broke the others a bit more. And made mist a bit denser.
Pretty!
Just the kind of tree you climb as a kid and then try to sway with your weight. Those pointed branches will get you though. :)
We had a creek bed in a park nearby that had huge vines we would grab one and do our best "Tarzan" yell, pushing off the side of the hill into the air and then drop....Summer fun!
Quote from: Dune on August 02, 2018, 06:37:50 AM
So I added some more branches and broke the others a bit more. And made mist a bit denser.
Much better. Just that one short straight thick snag is easily noticeable now, rest blend rather well. The mist looks great. Maybe change the position of the sun so it isn't perfectly behind a tree casting a black straight shadow into the camera.
Lovely, and though I got one of those in a recent render and left it, but in this image it (the black shadow) is just too prominent so agree with WAS
Quote from: bobbystahr on August 02, 2018, 10:39:13 PM
Lovely, and though I got one of those in a recent render and left it, but in this image it (the black shadow) is just too prominent so agree with WAS
Probably even the slightest change in position with throw off that perfect shadow I'd imagine and not totally change the look too
Love those pines though. But I really like temperate forest.
Honestly, I don't like that tree. The image is so well lit and looks so realistic, but these branches are really awful. Just my taste maybe... If you'd replace the tree by another one the image would be fantastic.
You may be right about the side branches, I have to rethink those. Though some pines do have these straight regulars, others have far less and irregular. But that's the good thing about Speedtree; adjusted in a whiffy ;)
Anyway, done another view with adjusted stuff.
Much more bettah...I hesitated on commenting on the 'spiky' branches but they suit my eye/taste well now...great image with the spooky church? and the deer.
Oh wow yeah this is WAY better. While i can see branches that may be similar, I don't immediately notice any identical shapes exactly. at the angles and rotations of the trees.
Maybe lean some trees? While your reference shows none, usually in forests you'll have leaning either dead, or uprooted trees, as well as some just leaning from softer topsoils as they age and their mass grows. Here in WA you really can't look into a forest at any direction and see nothing but straight trees. Though we don't have straight Pine forests, least not up this far north, more towards Oregon border and Rock and Shore pine forests.
Deer is a nice touch. :D I tried to find one for my scene but they all were T-Pose (and often unrigged) and looked bad. Only low poly bear was actually posed and looked "alright".
The last two renders are very good. Altering the trees helped and the foggy light from the last render is a good addition. The second to the last render is very photo real.
Oh yes, this last one is outstanding! The straight branches aren't that prominent in this image, so it looks way better. I see, that there are branches similar to yours in nature, but to my eyes they seem a tiny bit more organic.
I like the composition very much. All ingredients fit perfectly together.
I realized (after a hike this morning studying pines and Douglas firs) that I'm kind of mixing up 2 species. Pines have less of the small straight sticklike branches and more (or less) thick, bent ones, Douglas have more of the small straight ones. So I may reconsider them again (and again and again)....
Quote from: Dune on August 04, 2018, 07:07:14 AM
I realized (after a hike this morning studying pines and Douglas firs) that I'm kind of mixing up 2 species. Pines have less of the small straight sticklike branches and more (or less) thick, bent ones, Douglas have more of the small straight ones. So I may reconsider them again (and again and again)....
Pines don't often grow close enough together and dense enough for their canopy to kill off branches, and those snag branches catching other branches below.
They do here, or did I misunderstand you?
Quote from: Dune on August 05, 2018, 01:48:06 AM
They do here, or did I misunderstand you?
is one of these a reference photo Ulco? if so which one? if not, astounding!
Both photo's. I wish....
Quote from: Dune on August 05, 2018, 11:27:10 AM
Both photo's. I wish....
you're closer than most...SpeedTree makes the difference
Quote from: Dune on August 05, 2018, 01:48:06 AM
They do here, or did I misunderstand you?
FYI, that's a logging forest (there's no natural groving). It's planted to be clear cut. With trees as close as possible. They only care about the trunk. In a natural setting you may see two coming from the same spot growing side by side from a double embryonic seed, but it's rare two seeds would germinate so close considering the rate of germination and sun required.
It's like the Black Forest scenes in WWII movies, not the same Black Forest. Been clear cut and reseeded.
In a natural forest there would be other trees filling gaps (especially new growth deciduous), as no single species would win out in a natural setting. Not even in the Red Wood forest.
The branches should be dying more from just canopy density. Here's a old new growth (forest was deforested in turn of the century and replanted for logging) shot from around the 1940s in the Black Forest, these Pines have lower branches except the insides facing each other. They're just a lot hardier branches.
I'm not positive but the forest services may actually cut snag branches off so they can navigate with logging equipment and survey when the forest is ready easily like they do keeping brush vegetation out.
Update: I asked my uncle about the snag branches who is in the forest service and he confirms they do cut low hanging branches, he also noted that managed logging forests won't have deciduous trees and brush, which are the new-growth protectors from wind and storms for slow growing old growth forests.
:( >:(
Of course, I'm well aware of the difference between natural forests and 'log/trunk plantations'. We have a lot of those woods planted over poor sandy areas to protect villages from moving dunes (sice medieval times), and for use in mines to support tunnels. Very poor ecologically, and being slowly 'naturalized' into more decideous woods nowadays.
Quote from: Dune on August 06, 2018, 01:43:34 AM
Of course, I'm well aware of the difference between natural forests and 'log/trunk plantations'. We have a lot of those woods planted over poor sandy areas to protect villages from moving dunes (sice medieval times), and for use in mines to support tunnels. Very poor ecologically, and being slowly 'naturalized' into more decideous woods nowadays.
Yeah the government does way better these days in the US, very natural and we'll kept but privately owned is whole other story, and unfortunately that dwarfs federal. :/ Clear cutting is getting popular I WA again now that a lot of forests have recovered. Yaay. Not.
Is there still enough time to sa "congratulations for Pineforest_31-07-18_v2-1.jpg"? ;D
Looks autentic, realistic and beautiful!
Quote from: DocCharly65 on August 06, 2018, 03:20:25 AM
Is there still enough time to sa "congratulations for Pineforest_31-07-18_v2-1.jpg"? ;D
Looks autentic, realistic and beautiful!
I totally agree.
Thanks, guys.
The last one is crazy good. Very nice Ulco
Awesome the last one!