Come on! Somebody is staying up all night. Reveal thyself!
Windows 10 is free. :)
And it's the last one, apparently.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/28/technology/windows-10-review/index.html?iid=surge-stack-dom
They saying nice things about it. Let's see...
I still miss XP. :P
So do I. But when I got XP I missed '98. But I hate it when you don't have control, so I hope 10 is a bit open.
Yes, Windows 98 SE. 8)
Is anyone using this yet?
Speaking for myself, i am sticking with win 7 for as long as i can.
I read some remarks on the web about 10, and I will stay with 7 as well. As long as is needed to get the bugs out at least. If it works, it works, so why change?
Still waiting -
I'm actually kind of looking forward to upgrading, but I will certainly wait a bit to make sure any obvious issues are worked out. I will probably try to do a clean install too, so I can really get rid of some old cruft and whatnot bogging my systems down. :D I have 4 machines to upgrade actually. I'll probably start with my laptop first as it's least crucial to my day-to-day work. I'll use it as a testbed and see how it goes. I didn't upgrade to Windows 8 because of the terrible UI choices, but they've fixed most of that, and improved upon the already enhanced performance and features that came with Win 8, so it should be a decent upgrade from Win 7. Also, it's free, so why not? ;)
- Oshyan
Quote from: Dune on July 31, 2015, 01:33:14 AM
I read some remarks on the web about 10, and I will stay with 7 as well. As long as is needed to get the bugs out at least. If it works, it works, so why change?
Some programmers are trying to get android to run all windows software and read-write all windows files. Using wine i believe. The idea is to abandoned windows entirely for android. If this becomes a success at some point, i am going to do that.
If Wine hasn't handled Windows software well enough on full-blown Linux to replace Windows, then why would Android be able to? I'm very skeptical.
- Oshyan
I might not be complete clear on this but i had bookmarked some sites.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU5ODU
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/04/wine-android-windows-apps/
I think I'm gonna take the plunge. I got it downloading now.
Let us know what your verdict is, please.
Quote from: Dune on August 01, 2015, 02:57:02 AM
Let us know what your verdict is, please.
Sure, thing. As long as Terragen and my modelling software work, I think I can grind through whatever glitches it might have at first. But, in all honesty, I haven't felt like doing much in the way of modelling or rendering (I thinks it because I have to do the hard work, now), so I need something to tinker with until the desire to work comes back.
Just updated - some oddities - but W10 sorted them by itself. Looks good and works well - nice clean interface, now I've to learn the ins and outs, tips and tricks!
I've done the upgrade from Win 8.1. No issues so far from TG or anything else really.
If there an easy way to get back to the previous version, if anything wrong happens ?
David
And I assume you can upgrade without having to reinstall all software?
Has anyone run into this yet? I read this off of another site and it seems iffy to me.
Microsoft's terms of use agreement:
"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to."
Quote from: ChrisC on August 02, 2015, 03:39:30 AM
Has anyone run into this yet? I read this off of another site and it seems iffy to me.
Microsoft's terms of use agreement:
"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to."
What site? I suppose you'll have to confirm it with the UA.
Here... but i have not looked into any more at the moment.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=8070580#post8070580
Everything has gone wellish - W10 did not recognize my graphics card at first, it needed 3 restarts. Yes you can upgrade without reinstalling - programs are called apps! The only problem I've had is that bitdefender did not work and I'm having trouble reinstalling it. Windows does not seem to play well with third party security!
Quote from: ChrisC on August 02, 2015, 05:04:06 AM
Here... but i have not looked into any more at the moment.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=8070580#post8070580
I think I'll confirm it in the EULA and if it's there, I may hold off. Didn't PayPal attempt a similar scam by declaring itself legal owner of all its user's intellectual property?
But yes, people definitely need to read the things they sign and / or agree to and really decide if it benefits them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/09/russian-rewrites-credit-agreement-sues-bank_n_3728105.html
Personally, I'm considering writing up my own counter offer for when people attempt to sign me up for credit cards (seriously).
Markets are set by supply and demand. The answer - demand more!
Run yourself like a business, best advice my mom ever gave me.
here is the privacy statement and what Microsoft can do on your computer
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-privacy-statement
David
Yikes!
Are we sure this is a MS product? Sounds like an Intelligence office or Big Brother crap.
Wonder how much Billy gets for all the collected information? And who will be the buyer?
I don't know about PalPal. I never had an issue with them in the past.
Okay, so there's internet connectivity issues, display driver issues, and Win10 is really dumbed down for the masses. Doesn't look like I can assign program priority and switch cores on and off anymore. >:(
Because I access internet with a USB device, that's easily fixed by a reinstall. I think I can fix my display issues with new drivers, as well. Still, it feels a bit unpolished. Also, it has a "designed for tablets" kind of feel to it.
Terragen works. Modeller works, though is slow, but I think that's because my graphic card isn't working yet.
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 02, 2015, 07:31:53 PM
Doesn't look like I can assign program priority and switch cores on and off anymore. >:(
Task Manager / detail : Right click on the task name, you can assign the cores from there (set affinity).
Ah, thanks. Thought it'd be weird if they took it out.
I'd also like to say that Win10 works quite well on an old-ish machine. All my programs seem to be functioning at least as well on Win7. And the live tiles all work, with no lag, as well.
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 03, 2015, 03:38:38 AM
Ah, thanks. Thought it'd be weird if they took it out.
I'd also like to say that Win10 works quite well on an old-ish machine. All my programs seem to be functioning at least as well on Win7. And the live tiles all work, with no lag, as well.
out of curiosity which 7, Home or Pro and what video card...I have 7 Pro and a Radeon Saffire card and was waiting for the predicted October patch of all the screw ups but wouldn't mind knowing in advance some stuff
Home and Zotac Nvidia Geforce. Everything seems to be working now.
You should be able to disable the monitoring stuff if you desire. Read here for details and discussion: http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=41367.0
- Oshyan
Another thing to report is that Microsoft did a major update to Direct X which vastly improves the performance of 3D graphics. I was pleasantly surprised to notice my games running at a vastly improved frame rate. Terragen's 3D preview is also sped up very noticeably.
Ah, that makes it interesting to upgrade, though I read some reluctance here and there, and advice to better wait until near deadline for free upgrade (2016 I believe).
Yeah, it's free for a year after release. So you have lots of time. Just don't forget about it.
The new DirectX shouldn't actually affect TG at all as we use OpenGL, not DirectX. But there may well be other performance improvements (or newer driver optimizations for Win 10) that do affect TG.
- Oshyan
I see. It may have been my imagination (but I don't think it was). Or maybe I'm so used to seeing a dramatic slowdown with a OS upgrade that I'm just glad it isn't slower than usual. Can't measure it at this point. Maybe someone who hasn't upgraded can time it and see.
Quote from: Dune on August 06, 2015, 07:13:35 AM
Ah, that makes it interesting to upgrade, though I read some reluctance here and there, and advice to better wait until near deadline for free upgrade (2016 I believe).
I think it depends on your version. The OEM Win7Pro has 8 months left so they say to me when I open that lil window by mistake.
Windows 10 won't download images from my camera, bah!
What format?
What camera MHaze
In other news, Windows 10 seems to slow down dramatically if left on for a couple of days (I almost always leave my PC on all the time). Probably some memory leaks somewhere. Fixed with a restart, in the short term anyway. At least until MS closes the leaks.
Nikon D3 - Microsoft apparently know about the problem and are working on a fix. W10 sees the folders in explorer but not the individual photo files. Some handshaking protocol problem I'm told.
Quote from: mhaze on August 10, 2015, 04:52:59 AM
Nikon D3 - Microsoft apparently know about the problem and are working on a fix. W10 sees the folders in explorer but not the individual photo files. Some handshaking protocol problem I'm told.
I see. In the meantime, I would suggest just plugging the card into the PC itself (if you are not already doing so).
Yep! that's what I'm doing, fortunately old my old raw files that were loaded onto my machine show up fine.
any one using an older PhotoShop with Win10...I pretty much rely on that app for everything 2D like texture creation etc.
A little related:
http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/
Shows a little how the Windows 8 bashing is (except the Metro GUI that can be easily sidestepped) unnecessary too.
I use it since the beginning and had not much problems.
I will wait for 2-3 months or so for upgrading to Windows 10.
That's a strange site; can't get anywhere but the anouncement screen.
Quote from: bobbystahr on August 10, 2015, 10:52:28 AM
any one using an older PhotoShop with Win10...I pretty much rely on that app for everything 2D like texture creation etc.
Define older. I got CS5 working.
Quote from: Dune on August 11, 2015, 02:47:21 AM
That's a strange site; can't get anywhere but the anouncement screen.
maybe not rolled out in your area yet? I get a nag a day according to my failed updates...do y have the new folder at the top of your C drive...that's where it downloads to.
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 11, 2015, 04:03:21 AM
Quote from: bobbystahr on August 10, 2015, 10:52:28 AM
any one using an older PhotoShop with Win10...I pretty much rely on that app for everything 2D like texture creation etc.
Define older. I got CS5 working.
That's what I have, whew...thanks mate.
Quote from: Dune on August 11, 2015, 02:47:21 AM
That's a strange site; can't get anywhere but the anouncement screen.
It is loading slow.After a while you can scroll down but it takes time on my side too.
Final thoughts:
I would like to retract my statement that it was unpolished. That was when my display driver wasn't working correctly and everything was stretched. Overall, however, it is a little rough. A few crashes, although these seem fixed with a Win10 driver for my vid card. Although for some reason the text in programs like Terragen does not seem as clear or pronounced as programs like IE. I wonder if there is a way to clear that up.
My machine is definitely showing its age now. You can right click on things to pin them to the taskbar. You can also right click on things on the taskbar in order to access say, different folders on file explorer. I get a very noticeable delay when doing this before the mini menu pops up. Also, dragging things into the graphical start menu can be exasperating at times. I thought it simply wasn't doing it before, but now I think it was the slowness of my machine showing.
Still, there is more to explore. Hopefully, most of the issues are cleared up in the next few weeks and months. I certainly understand people waiting. Upgrading will not change your life or make you substantially more productive (but perhaps a tiny bit). I like the interface more than Win7 or 8. Seems more user friendly, overall. And it looks like you can still delve into the more specific menus (although they may not always be where they were in previous versions, or easy to find). And at this point, I don't really recommend it if you haven't. But at the same time, I don't regret doing so. I have the option to go back to Win7, and haven't, so...
Pic included to show difference between text clarity.
Are you using DPI scaling, an enlarged/alternate text size?
- Oshyan
Quote from: Oshyan on August 15, 2015, 12:04:16 PM
Are you using DPI scaling, an enlarged/alternate text size?
- Oshyan
I'm not sure. Not deliberately, anyway.
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 15, 2015, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: Oshyan on August 15, 2015, 12:04:16 PM
Are you using DPI scaling, an enlarged/alternate text size?
- Oshyan
I'm not sure. Not deliberately, anyway.
In Windows 8 it is here: RMB on the desktop+ Personalize+Display (on the left lower side)
Have a look there.
Yeah, that looks like that was it. Of course, now it looks like everything else is too small. I wonder if they haven't adjusted yet for both larger screens and higher res screens. So, I just might keep it the way it was.
It appears my final thoughts weren't so final. Going back to do a clean install, but the Win 10 recovery program failed. It restarted the PC (without deleting or reinstalling anything and hung on the 'select your keyboard setup' screen). Forcing the computer off and turning back on brought me back to Win 10 pre attempted recovery.
Nothing left to do now but a BIOS initiated recovery off the drive partition back to factory settings and Win 7. Determined to stay with Win 10, however.
Watching this with interest, but am leaning away from 10 till someone raves about how much better TG3 runs under it as that's pretty much my only software I'm using except for PoseRay , Imagine 3D and Bryce once in a while.
Also, note: The ability to revert back to your old version of windows is only good for a month. At least to do so through Win 10. If you have a recovery partition, you can always use that, however.
OK, got me a pure, clean install. Don't have internet access. Screen's distorted from no drivers. Don't even have software to play DVD's. This is the life. It all begins here. :)
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 18, 2015, 11:34:16 PM
Also, note: The ability to revert back to your old version of windows is only good for a month. At least to do so through Win 10. If you have a recovery partition, you can always use that, however.
Well at least I have a Win 7 pro disc but I'm still on the fence...don't see a good reason yo jump yet.
Yeah, normally, i'd wait, too. But I got no creative ideas these past few weeks, so I need something to occupy me.
Apart from having no drivers the first time I installed it Win 10 has been perfect. I've now installed it on 3 machines and only my most modern render machine has given bother - go figure. My old laptop and an old comp I use for music worked first time out of the box.
I have found that it's fast to start, fast to run and trying to configure as it has a mixture of old and new configuration screens but with a little help from god mode and and google they are all running smoothly.
Quote from: mhaze on August 19, 2015, 04:36:40 AM
Apart from having no drivers the first time I installed it Win 10 has been perfect. I've now installed it on 3 machines and only my most modern render machine has given bother - go figure. My old laptop and an old comp I use for music worked first time out of the box.
I have found that it's fast to start, fast to run and trying to configure as it has a mixture of old and new configuration screens but with a little help from god mode and and google they are all running smoothly.
Does it make TG any better/faster or is it just M$ trying to run/ruin our cyber lives with subscription services like adobe and autodesk....when I get software I like a cd/dvd in my grubby little paws so I can run it on an off line virus safe machine....just sayin....
Not likely to run Terragen any better. I thought at first it made the 3d preview faster. It may have been my imagination. Rendering certainly won't see any improvement. If anything, it's likely to run worse, because Win 10 is less stable. Also, it's not a subscription service. And you can run it on offline machines, as Win 10 allows you to create an installation USB device for such a purpose.
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 19, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
Not likely to run Terragen any better. I thought at first it made the 3d preview faster. It may have been my imagination. Rendering certainly won't see any improvement. If anything, it's likely to run worse, because Win 10 is less stable. Also, it's not a subscription service. And you can run it on offline machines, as Win 10 allows you to create an installation USB device for such a purpose.
What kind of instability you encounter?
My IT dude wants to upgrade all to Win 10... :-[
Well, for one thing, getting my graphics drivers to work is proving to be a bitch the second time around (they won't install) and it's frozen by doing so at least once. Certain programs will close spontaneously on me without me closing them. Things like that.
Quote from: mhaze on August 19, 2015, 04:36:40 AM
Apart from having no drivers the first time I installed it Win 10 has been perfect. I've now installed it on 3 machines and only my most modern render machine has given bother - go figure. My old laptop and an old comp I use for music worked first time out of the box.
I have found that it's fast to start, fast to run and trying to configure as it has a mixture of old and new configuration screens but with a little help from god mode and and google they are all running smoothly.
Have you tested them all, thoroughly? Just curious, because getting Win 10 up and running is the easy part. It little issues that creep up later that seem to be the problem. For example (and for all others considering doing a clean install), today I had to manually install a Microsoft module for C++ that would allow me to run programs that ran normally when I simply upgraded from Win 7.
Some programs are probably just not compatible, I guess. Like I'm having issues installing Adobe CS3 on win 7 64bit. Just doesn't work. It may be a big 'intercompany agreement' to make you buy newer versions >:(
Some things of interest perhaps?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/17/9167203/windows-10-privacy-scare-cloud-privacy
Manual C++ install was a common problem in the past and will be in the future. A lot of old programs use earlier versions of C++ and C++ libraries and won't work without them loaded. I've noticed no instability at all with win 10 in fact I'd say it was smoother and faster. The only program which won't work was ivy gen 2012 thankfully the old version does. I had to update bitdefender to a win 10 version which was painless. There are always these problems with new operating systems usually due to old programs or hardware. Half the fun of upgrading! I've learn't more about computers upgrading programs than anyway else! Privacy doesn't worry me I don't use computers for nefarious purposes so I don't care very much. It's a modern paranoia, we have always been watched catalogued and spied on, worrying about it will just make you unhappy and there's plenty you can do to hide if you wish.
There is a site where you guys can chk what software compatible with Win 7 or 10 and what not. Can be useful:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/CompatCenter/Home
Just legitimately curious.
However, there are certain steps users can take if they so do wish.
http://betanews.com/2015/08/18/lock-down-windows-10s-privacy-settings-with-oo-shutup10/#comments
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/17/technology/windows-10-privacy/
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/aug/15/windows-10-microsoft-should-privacy-problems-worry-me
http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-privacy-spying.html
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 19, 2015, 12:55:53 AM
OK, got me a pure, clean install. Don't have internet access. Screen's distorted from no drivers. Don't even have software to play DVD's. This is the life. It all begins here. :)
Decided to go for it yesterday because I guess I wanted some excitement. As soon as the machine completed the install ( they made it look clean and pretty anyway) the machine booted for the final time and showed it now had no internet service. Since the install just got done using my ethernet connection this fact was quite annoying.
None of the Win 10 network trouble shooting functions would make the ethernet reset or connect. I finally did a shutdown and then unplugged the power cord to the machine to get a full reboot. This allowed the ethernet connection to start and stay up long enough for me to download new Intel Win 10 drivers for my Intel ethernet card. I'm disappointed that Microsoft didn't have a better system in place to point to the solution or get the correct ethernet driver during the initial install .
Tried Terragen and it was immediately obvious that the
preview window was "sick" . The sky of the default scene would show up as
blue patches and blobs on a grey background or just go all grey. This suggested that new Win 10 level Video drivers needed to be installed from Nvidia. With the new drivers the Terragen preview window now looks just fine.
That's my story after the first day. No other glitches yet ........
Standard fare! I agree, considering how long it takes to check for updates you'd think it would update the drivers too.
Windows 10 is working great. However there are weird "mobile" quarks that annoy me. For example, file Association is through windows settings, and interferes with applications. A couple applications that set associations during install failed to install because windows prompted to go to Windows Settings, which caused a fault in the execution of the installation.
However to point out, Windows 10 is not the last. It's the last publicized launch. All new updates will become available as they release via Windows Update. Much like Android. So long as your device is compatible, you'll be able to upgrade.
Made the jump too and it was the reason I was offline for a day or two ;)
Initial upgrade from Win7 Ultimate to Win10 Pro went pretty flawless.
I read I had to upgrade first to then use Win10's own app for resetting your machine.
This allowed my machine hardware to be registered first so that you won't need a Win10 license key when doing a clean install.
So I made some backups (forgot TG key of course haha) and pressed the "reset" button in the app.
All went fine until after the clean install Win10 did not recognise my SSD as a boot device anymore.
In the end I fixed it by downloading the Media Creation Tool from MS and created a USB boot device with that.
Took about half an hour, but it worked very well.
Inserted the USB and followed the installation procedure.
Activation was automatic.
Now I'm on Win10 Pro, fresh install and it works fine.
No I am really not making a Mac Vs. PC post here. But Holly shit this all sounds like a head ache! :o
Quote from: TheBadger on August 20, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
No I am really not making a Mac Vs. PC post here. But Holly shit this all sounds like a head ache! :o
Well, Mike, this is what we have to go through...in lieu of having to hold it a certain way in order for it to work. ;)
Quotein lieu of having to hold it a certain way in order for it to work
Yes, I noticed when I am holding my Mac Pro, it does not work as well as when its sitting on the desktop. ???
Quote from: TheBadger on August 21, 2015, 02:11:41 AM
Quotein lieu of having to hold it a certain way in order for it to work
Yes, I noticed when I am holding my Mac Pro, it does not work as well as when its sitting on the desktop. ???
"You're holding it wrong."
Macs don't have to cope with dozens/hundreds? of different hardware configurations!
Quote from: mhaze on August 21, 2015, 05:02:08 AM
Macs don't have to cope with dozens/hundreds? of different hardware configurations!
Ahh, yes, thank you. That does create some better perspective for me.
That is one thing I often am bothered by about macs, not being able to upgrade certain parts. But this thread makes me feel a little better about it :D Except the graphics card stuff! That pisses me off to no end ;D Have to buy a PC to use all the great new graphics cards that are out and soon to be out >:(
OK, Ill leave you to your migraines now.
I think I survived the update with just minor headaches.................Windows changed my graphic drivers so the biggest resolution I had was 1024X768...........talk about large icons. It didn't want to change back to Nvidia drivers either, had to install twice before it took. Hopefully, that is all I will have to deal with. Update was scheduled for tomorrow, don't know why it pulled the trigger today. ::)
I am wondering how Microsoft expects ordinary people like me with hardly any computer workings knowledge to do this upgrade. I have been reading the thread and some of you have had to do things that I wouldn't have a clue how to do. Guess I will just stay with Win. 7 and be happy about it. :)
Wait for six months and then upgrade. After July 2016 you will have to pay.
Quote from: Lady of the Lake on August 22, 2015, 10:55:06 AM
I am wondering how Microsoft expects ordinary people like me with hardly any computer workings knowledge to do this upgrade. I have been reading the thread and some of you have had to do things that I wouldn't have a clue how to do. Guess I will just stay with Win. 7 and be happy about it. :)
I decided to stay with win7 as well. If it is not broken, why fix it.
Quote from: Lady of the Lake on August 22, 2015, 10:55:06 AM
I am wondering how Microsoft expects ordinary people like me with hardly any computer workings knowledge to do this upgrade. I have been reading the thread and some of you have had to do things that I wouldn't have a clue how to do. Guess I will just stay with Win. 7 and be happy about it. :)
Well, at least you know where to come for technical advice. ;D
Quote from: Upon Infinity on August 25, 2015, 01:21:03 AM
Quote from: Lady of the Lake on August 22, 2015, 10:55:06 AM
I am wondering how Microsoft expects ordinary people like me with hardly any computer workings knowledge to do this upgrade. I have been reading the thread and some of you have had to do things that I wouldn't have a clue how to do. Guess I will just stay with Win. 7 and be happy about it. :)
Well, at least you know where to come for technical advice. ;D
I sure do....thanks. ;D
Quote from: Chris on August 22, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
Quote from: Lady of the Lake on August 22, 2015, 10:55:06 AM
I am wondering how Microsoft expects ordinary people like me with hardly any computer workings knowledge to do this upgrade. I have been reading the thread and some of you have had to do things that I wouldn't have a clue how to do. Guess I will just stay with Win. 7 and be happy about it. :)
I decided to stay with win7 as well. If it is not broken, why fix it.
Definitely.
I only upgraded because I was facing a re-installation of Win7 anyway as my drives were totally stuffed.
That was actually the only incentive.
Some good info on Win 10 and privacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x2VTN4jjIE
BTW, I went back to Win 7 due to too many stability and compatibility issues. I don't recommend Windows 10 at this time. So, I suppose this will be my final report. Of course, it may just be my outdated machine. ::)
"it may just be my outdated machine"
Yeah, we can't win. Only thing to do is spend a few thousand dollars every few years. Thats how the system works anyway. :(
Quote from: TheBadger on September 30, 2015, 07:19:02 AM
"it may just be my outdated machine"
Yeah, we can't win. Only thing to do is spend a few thousand dollars every few years. Thats how the system works anyway. :(
A few thous... :o Oh yeah, you're a Mac guy. I spent $400 on this refurbished thing 4 years ago. Still gets the job done. ;)
lol
It has nothing to do with mac, man.
Quote from: TheBadger on September 30, 2015, 05:40:10 PM
lol
It has nothing to do with mac, man.
Yeah, I know. There's soft, peripherals, upgrades. Just havin' fun with ya. :)
Ahh, busting my nuts ah! ;D THATS MY WIFE'S JOB! ;)