http://www.cloddy.com/index.php
Their forum is up, but completely empty at the time of this post.
Can someone tell me what this means for my CG2 license? Something tells me I just got screwed. I had absolutely no warning about this. Did any of you?
WTF
???
Quote from: TheBadger on April 18, 2014, 11:09:21 PM
Their forum is up, but completely empty at the time of this post.
Can someone tell me what this means for my CG2 license? Something tells me I just got screwed. I had absolutely no warning about this. Did any of you?
WTF
I have no idea but you can make a post there and hopefully Cajomi can answer but that has been hard because it is a long time when he answers posts. I had no idea about this major change either. I see no upgrade information, that is for certain.
Be nice if these folks mean to keep developing the app, otherwise when was it last updated? Hopefully not a 'Daz' like acquisition (Hexagon), I do like this app!
It is also very vague as to what else is going on besides the new partnership, some new features and the new website. There are a lot of questions though, understandably. I hope perhaps that people start to post over there at the new website and this time that there is more frequent reply's rather then long gaps of reply's. I for one am very curious to see what is down the road for this software.
is it a partnership? Or did GC sell?
To me it appears to be a joint venture.
Interesting, by far the most expensive of the dedicated terrain modelers (i.e. no renderer, atmospherics, instancing, etc. - only for terrain creation and editing).
- Oshyan
What in the hell is this saying?
QuoteGet a Licence for Commercial Use
The commercial use of maps or files generated by WorldCreator (directly or indirectly) requires a commercial license for the product that is using those maps or files. The commercial license is free for indie developers or for companies with a turnover less €50.000 at time of shipping.
After purchasing a commercial license for your product you will receive a license document via email. This document grants you the unlimited use of maps and files generated by WorldCreator for your product. Pricing depends on your turnover and is capped at €2.499. Below you will find the pricing overview with respect of your turnover.
Company Turnover Price
€50.000 - €250.000 €299,-
€250.000 - €1.000.000 €499,-
€1.000.000 - €10.000.000 €1.299,-
more than €10.000.000 €2.499,-
I posted on their forum. Curious what they will say.
Quote from: Oshyan on April 20, 2014, 03:02:12 AM
Interesting, by far the most expensive of the dedicated terrain modelers (i.e. no renderer, atmospherics, instancing, etc. - only for terrain creation and editing).
- Oshyan
Something I can never afford as much as I would like to use it for my hobby.
Hey TheBadger are you the 'SandHill' poster on the Cloddy forum? Looks like a 30% discount off the new pricing is what your old license gets you... So the 'Standard' is 199 euro and the "Professional" is 899 euro. 'Standard is limited to map size of 4096, and lacks the "Sediment System Full" (?). The 'Pro' version has an "interactive 3D viewer" that might be very cool given these guys produce middleware for real time games, but not at 899 euros. Nothing that I saw on the Cloddy site knocked my socks off, however it looks like the final releases are still forthcoming, so who knows? The developer is promising a complete code re-write, probably to facilitate the real time SDK, so this does bear some future watching. So for now World Machine will still be my option.
Some info.
http://www.cloddy.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=9
clearer now
::) :D
That price is a joke, bad idea to launch with that kind of price tag
I'm sorry to hear of cajomi's health problems and I will remain a big fan of his baby - Geocontrol. I hope the World Creator mafia won't shut down my Geocontrol license.
Besides cajomi's interesting approach to surface geology (my field of study), I have always admired his good judgement of including a .TER export capability. I hope he made a fortune on the SDK deal.
An SDK. How nice! Perhaps I'm not alone when I confess that I'm into this for the art and not the computer science. Node networks are about all I want to manage; I don't do SDK's.
It is very nice to read all the news over my morning coffee and know that no one is taking away my TG Pro.
never mind
Quote from: TheBadger on April 20, 2014, 07:55:37 PM
QuoteSo the 'Standard' is 199 euro and the "Professional" is 899 euro.
So what is this then?
QuoteGet a Licence for Commercial Use
The commercial use of maps or files generated by WorldCreator (directly or indirectly) requires a commercial license for the product that is using those maps or files. The commercial license is free for indie developers or for companies with a turnover less €50.000 at time of shipping.
After purchasing a commercial license for your product you will receive a license document via email. This document grants you the unlimited use of maps and files generated by WorldCreator for your product. Pricing depends on your turnover and is capped at €2.499. Below you will find the pricing overview with respect of your turnover.
Company Turnover Price
€50.000 - €250.000 €299,-
€250.000 - €1.000.000 €499,-
€1.000.000 - €10.000.000 €1.299,-
more than €10.000.000 €2.499,-
Anyway, at 899 euro they can suck it. The GC2 that I have functions. And WM will (I have heard) be ported to OSX. So I'm pretty much done playing games with software companies now. There is enough choice in just about everything now, that I have no problem bailing on anyone for any reason. I am absolutely certain that the sentiments I have for planetside do not extend to other companies.
Autodesk EON and on and on. At a certain point these companies that are always going on about piracy have to look in the mirror when they call people thieves. Pffft! 899 euro my ass.
I was done with it a while ago. The only really expensive software I have is Modo and even that's cheap compared to Autodesk stuff. The pricing system for World Creator is crazy. I do music. I used to have "Pro"tools but the cut down native version. Avid are kind of the Autodesk of music. I then moved to Logic. that was £130 on the Apple store. That was great Until Apple decided to make a "Pro" X version full of bugs and extra bloat. Now I'm moving to Reaper which is $60 and probably the best digital audio workstation of all and they will clean up because anyone can afford it. The big giants of software and really in funny farm territory with their pricing but World Creator isn't even in that league. There seems to be no relationship between quality and cost with software. I do in fact think Terragen is worth the cost even although I'm not using it (maybe some day I will again). Terragen is also probably the most bug free software I have ever used.
nevermind
The price has now come down to 149 euros and you get all the features.
I've just bought it. It has a nice clean Ui and is much faster. It has considerable power and with a little work with the selectors you can create all sorts of useful mods to the terrain. Erosion and sediment tolls are excellent and you can extract maps from the render tab. It's more complex than world machine in some ways but probably has more power.
Quote from: mhaze on April 28, 2014, 07:55:30 AM
The price has now come down to 149 euros and you get all the features.
I've just bought it. It has a nice clean Ui and is much faster. It has considerable power and with a little work with the selectors you can create all sorts of useful mods to the terrain. Erosion and sediment tolls are excellent and you can extract maps from the render tab. It's more complex than world machine in some ways but probably has more power.
Just looking at the sediment images it looks nice. Max map resolution is the same for standard and pro- 8192. And vector tools is something TG needs!
So the only difference between the standard and pro is support (but you still have the forum) and looks like networking, but that makes some sense.
So with 30% off, $206.00 then. still feels a bit high. But that is a number that makes me less... agitated.
@ mhaze
Can you say how stable, fast/responsive it is?
Very stable. Speed varies obviously lots of erosion filters make it slow but it seems faster than the old geocontrol. It's a much cleaner interface easier to use. BTW the discount doesn't extend much beyond May. The sediment system is interesting and it's much easier(subjectively) to make masks and extract them for export. So at the new price 20 euros more than GC it's value for money and there seem to be plans to continue to upgrade it.
Thank you.
Reasonable and persuasive, mhaze. I retracted my eariler statements as WM altered course and has shown responsiveness to people's comments. Still, Im a little hesitant because I want it. Just tired of paying for one thing and getting something else.
I don't think you'll be disappointed, especially in the long term as development will continue apace.
It doesn't seem different than the last version of Geocontrol, which I already have. Do you know what's different?
Quote from: mhaze on April 28, 2014, 07:55:30 AM
The price has now come down to 149 euros and you get all the features.
I've just bought it. It has a nice clean Ui and is much faster. It has considerable power and with a little work with the selectors you can create all sorts of useful mods to the terrain. Erosion and sediment tolls are excellent and you can extract maps from the render tab. It's more complex than world machine in some ways but probably has more power.
The user interface is better layed out. There are the new Sediments Filter which change the game on morphological material transport. This is very unique to this software. I have seen nothing else like it. It seems faster to me. The crashes were all fixed. The Isolines are stable now. It is in a position to grow sooner now and new features being added.
Sediments Filter sounds interesting. Are there any clear examples of this online?
- Oshyan
There are some examples at the cloddy forum but not many. Sense it is a new forum I would imagine there will be more examples of that soon. Also at the cloddy web site for the software page itself, there is a video but as to how helpful it is, I do not know.
Thanks Chris. I wondered and will look into it. Thank you for the explanation.
No problem, I will post the download page right here for the demo in case anyone wants to give the software a try and a link to the forum as well.
http://www.cloddy.com/index.php/wc-purchase
http://www.cloddy.com/forum/
Hello everybody,
this is Stefan Kraus from Cloddy Technologies. First I want to say thank you to everybody who have purchased WorldCreator. GeoControl was nearly dead after Mr. Johannes Rosenberg contacted us to bring it alive again. Now it is back and even better than before. We will keep on improving it and a lot of things in UI and handling will change in the future. This will really be a lot of work but we are up to it.
The most new powerful feature is the sediment system. I know that it is not described until now in detail but that will change shortly. Also, it was very difficult for us to find a good license and pricing model. Johannes spent all his time in developing GeoControl and really large companies bought it for almost nothing. Sadly he was not thinking about a license model for himself meaning to get enough money to be able to further develop his awesome software. Things happened and we know how many difficulties he went through because of that.
We have changed pricing and licensing a lot (three times until now!!!) because we have received good and creative feedback from old GeoControl users. Together we approached a better price and a much acceptable license model for companies.
A lot more tutorials will follow soon and many things will change in UI and handling. It would be great if you would participate in our forum to improve that software product. We love it to get feedback (good and bad) because only then we can change things and make it more comfortable to all terrain lovers :D
Thank you,
Stefan
Thanks for your time and explanation Stefan. It looks very good.
So my geoControl is not working and I have to download a new version of GeoControl 2, but I can't seem to find a link to download it. All the links are broken, and the only links that work are for World Creator and this I will have to purchase. I've already purchase geoControl2, but this no longer works and there is no place I can download it again. Wow feeling ripped off, and not sure I trust these guys anymore!
Hello,
the reason why GeoControl is not maintained anymore and why updates for GeoControl 1 and 2 will not be supported any more can be read here:
http://www.bitethebytes.net/forum/index.php/Thread/9-GeoControl-is-now-WorldCreator/
WorldCreator is GeoControl 3 - we had to take the old code and rewrite a lot of stuff to make it stable and bring it back for the Mac, too. Also, WorldCreator supports the powerful sediment system with sediment filters.
Currently we are working hard on version 2 which will have a modern UI, will run on any platform and where generation is much much faster. We will also support much higher resolutions (up to 16k) and we will use the GPU to speed up a lot of things. Also some new features will arrive so it is worth upgrading.
But of course we do not develop for free - new versions take a specific amount of time and money until they are finished. So we cannot make any new major update (v.1 to v.2 and so on) for free - hope you understand this. :)
However, we offer every GeoControl customer a 30% discount when upgrading to WorldCreator. :D
* IMPORTANT *
Be careful not to purchase any GeoControl versions from resellers. We have informed all resellers that GeoControl is no longer supported with updates. Many resellers do not care about that and they still offer it in their shops without informing their customers. >:(
Best
I just upgraded from GeoControl2 to World Creator. The software is pretty solid, it feels more stable then geoControl2, at least so far. I have only been using it for a couple of weeks now. I thought I would share some test renders, since I generated the terrains from World Creator and rendered with Terragen3.
Thanks,
Alex
http://www.world-creator.com/