Unplug every single USB device you own.
That little fact, wasted about 8 hours of my life, that I will never get back !
I forgot the keyboard/mouse was bluetooth, DUH.
I had the TV plugged in, and forgot that was probably a display that that the OS would find. DOH !
So, when they say every device, .... yeahh " the ones plugged into the the back too...."
stoopid ... sad to report: - Bill . :P
With my machine, when I reinstall vista I have to take out half my ram first install, upgrade everything, then put the ram back. Something to do with when vista released, for the 64bit version if you had > 4gb ram and certain chipsets, it would crash during the install.... quite stupid given if your installing 64bit you probably have >4gb :P
Took me forever of searching to figure that as the answer.
Yeah, the newest versions of Windows suck.
No. I can not agree with that. The new version definitely surpasses Vista. Smooth like mac. ;)
Indeed. My close friend is a computer genius and if i trust him on any one thing, it is computers. Windows 7 will replace Vista quite well but best to wait after Microsoft gets service pack 1 out to do some clean-up and the only real issue currently is lack of drivers but if i recall that is usually the case with every new OS anyways. Windows 7 looks to be what Windows XP was to give Windows Millennium the boot.
Quote from: TheBlackHole on October 08, 2009, 09:14:23 PM
Yeah, the newest versions of Windows suck.
not true for Windows 7, which even in beta/rc is one of the best OS ever. Of course it still could be improved, but Win 7 is a real good step forward, especially when going for 64bit.
Have to agree with everyone else (apart from TheBlackHole). Windows 7 has been fantastic since i've installed it. The install itself was very fast and simple and it picked up all the drivers. The feedback i'm getting from other people who have also installed it is also postive, so overall it's a massive improvement over vista.
From this positive experience at work i'm now going to but it for home as well. Going to get x64 version of Windows 7 ready for the Terragen 2 x64 release, whenever that might come :) In fact there doesn't seem to be a good reason now to not go for a 64 bit version of windows unless you have really old hardware and can't get x64 bit drivers.
Same, windows 7 beta/rc when i tried it was pretty awesome. I can't wait to get a copy.
I've been using Win7 in work since the final RC release. Definately one of mthe best OSes I've ever used. Quite a few of the bigger companies out there have already provided win7 drivers for a lot of their newer (and not so newer, in some cases) hardware, though win7 identified almoat all of my 12/13 periferals on install. It's rock solid, doesn't fall over and is apleasure to use.... never thought I'd hear myself say that about microsoft software ;D
Miles
Agree. Plus the fact that the drivers for Vista are fully compatible with Windows 7.
Don't wait for the first Service Pack. Win 7 is like a service pack for Vista :)
Wohoo, my school finally put win 7 on the network share, and they actually gave us the 64bit image too! Woot! Finally they understand the need of 64bit ;).
Downloading now, already did a quick backup and good to go :).
Well that is great! The last month for me has been seamless. And render times are definitely speedy.
Well I got all ready. Burned the disk. Started up... Hit install....
then some error message about needing a driver for my cd/dvd drive before continueing. Which didn't make sense seeing as it was RUNNING ON MY ONLY DVD DRIVE.
So I was like fine - went and got my sata controller drivers and put them on a flash drive tried to install it (and it detected them as the drivers it needed) ... but it wouldn't install still.
So then I googled and notice sometimes having ide emulation on in your bios will cause the problem. Checked, nope wasn't doing ide emulation.
Googled more... failed burn or image download.
Ran md5 on the image... sure enough, corrupted download. Now I gotta redownload the 3 gig image. /sigh...
Trying to download now for the 4th time :-\
I spoke to our corporate IT guys and they said that IE and the Microsoft download manager don't seem to work. Ironically they had no problems using Firefox to do the download. Trying that now.
Yeh I heard something like that too. But I did it in chrome originally, I figure I'll do in firefox with my antivirus turned off next time. Sometimes if the antivirus is scanning the incoming file it can corrupt it as it comes in and such.
Downloading try 5. I'll turn of AV this time.
Quote from: Ogre on October 23, 2009, 07:02:43 PM
Downloading try 5. I'll turn of AV this time.
ouch.. haha.
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Good Luck with the D/L . If I could post it here I would, - Bill .
6th time was the charm!
http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2009/10/27/did-microsoft-purposely-price-windows-7-to-prevent-consumers-from-upgrading/
I never "upgrade". I always do a fresh install. Nice to have a clean slate.
As for upgrades and time, I hear it wildly depends on various software/hardware, so yes some take like 30 min(about the same time it takes to do an install), some take hours.
as for price.... more like they realize people will pay to not deal with vista ;) also by semi forcing upgrades, it helps the user experience so that some idiot doesn't try to install 7 on bare bare bare minimums becuase "xp ran fine" for the user yet "7 is so slooow" ... kinda what happened with vista with hardware not really matching software issues. Decent computers are pretty cheap, people should upgrade more often.
Then again, I got a free copy of enterprise edition and I can get another for 30 bucks. I also got Vista Ultimate for 5 dollars (media fee), Vista enterprise (free), a few versions of xp... etc ;)
I love being a student. I'm gonna miss having the software and os upgrades i need just there for me to download or grab from the software distribution.
Quote from: neuspadrin on October 27, 2009, 07:29:14 PM
... Decent computers are pretty cheap, people should upgrade more often...
I don't know how old you are Neuspadrin . But 10 years or so latter remember your words when you have a wife , children and mortgage and such ;D
Be happy that you are a student...
Cheers.
Kadri.
Quote from: Kadri on October 27, 2009, 07:51:34 PM
Quote from: neuspadrin on October 27, 2009, 07:29:14 PM
... Decent computers are pretty cheap, people should upgrade more often...
I don't know how old you are Neuspadrin . But 10 years or so latter remember your words when you have a wife , children and mortgage and such ;D
21 ;) Currently co-oping with IBM. So yes I do have the glory of being a student, making decent money, and not having to worry too much about family/house/etc. I do have to worry a little about college, but thats mostly paid for. But I am saving up a lot of money as is right now for once I do graduate as I do plan on having a family shortly after (been dating girlfriend for 3+ years now and currently live together).
What I'm talking about though is at least upgrade every 5 or so years if you use a compute semi frequently. I do a lot of computer repair for people and sometimes it just surprises me what os's they try to run on what hardware.
And by upgrade, I'm not talking go buy a 1000+ dollar computer (unless you got the cash)... I'm takling more <=500ish range. That would be $100/year. You could easily prob buy a machine that could run win7, any office stuff, multitask fairly well, play semi recent games, etc for around that price currently. But I know people who buy like a cheap machine and expect it to last forever with 0 updating (while still wanting the latest software to work).
But then again, for me a computer is worth more, as I'm a CS major who likes gaming and spend basically my entire day in front of one or another pc, might as well have one thats decent (as i get my moneys worth from it). I turn old machines into media pc or try to find some use for them (like my current one, which is a 5 year old dell laptop with xp media edition on it, that i use to record tv and to play hulu/netflix off my tv).
I guess it really comes down to everyones "what its worth" to keep up to date, which for me is quite high between my programming, high end gaming, and rendering ;).
Well Bill Gates and IBM used to tag team the market just to drive up sales! Why sell an OS when you can sell a PC with an OS. WIN WIN boys. (light cigar here)
As far as upgrading your PC goes, this again is a matter of perception. I have been doing this since the Commodore 64/TRS80 days. Does anyone remember what a 486 cost? Do you remember what a memory upgrade chip cost? I have a stack of old relics that cost me hundreds- a piece! These new toys cost as much as a couple of good electric razors! Updrade costs are chump change these days. I have a beautiful 17 inch viewsonic high end monitor in the basement collecting dust. It cost me $400.00. The 22 inch monitor I am staring at now was free with my Dell purchase. PC's and associated hardware have never been cheaper. Buy a new one, turn the older one into a media center/juke box like neuspadrin said!
- Bill .
I remember! I wrote my first program using punch cards. The only upgrade I am thinking about on my Dell is a new video card. The second card burned out. Now I'm using the card that came with the computer. Everything is maxed out. My computer may be five years old, but it still does pretty well, unless I set the AA render setting over 5. ;D
It is time for a new box. I may go for an inexpensive desktop. Then buy components to improve it.
Quote from: matrix2003 on October 28, 2009, 07:46:49 AM
Well Bill Gates and IBM used to tag team the market just to drive up sales! Why sell an OS when you can sell a PC with an OS. WIN WIN boys. (light cigar here)
As far as upgrading your PC goes, this again is a matter of perception. I have been doing this since the Commodore 64/TRS80 days. Does anyone remember what a 486 cost? Do you remember what a memory upgrade chip cost? I have a stack of old relics that cost me hundreds- a piece! These new toys cost as much as a couple of good electric razors! Updrade costs are chump change these days. I have a beautiful 17 inch viewsonic high end monitor in the basement collecting dust. It cost me $400.00. The 22 inch monitor I am staring at now was free with my Dell purchase. PC's and associated hardware have never been cheaper. Buy a new one, turn the older one into a media center/juke box like neuspadrin said!
- Bill .
You mean WIN PC? :D
Quote from: njeneb on October 28, 2009, 08:17:09 AM
I remember! I wrote my first program using punch cards. The only upgrade I am thinking about on my Dell is a new video card. The second card burned out. Now I'm using the card that came with the computer. Everything is maxed out. My computer may be five years old, but it still does pretty well, unless I set the AA render setting over 5. ;D
It is time for a new box. I may go for an inexpensive desktop. Then buy components to improve it.
PUNCH CARDS?!?!?!!! How many years ago was that?!
I can play a game from 2001 pretty good. Far Gate
http://www.superxstudios.com/
There's this weird glitch here in the forums: If you write a long enough post, it scrolls up and down while you're trying to type it.
I think i saw a 386 pc in 1987 ( not sure) in a big company . I could affort it only in circa 1993 and that upgrade from 286 was because of Doom.
But the first i really used was this in the picture http://www.solarnavigator.net/sponsorship/alan_sugar.htm (in 1987) . No Hd , no ekstra case .That what you see is all .... But how i loved it ;D
Are there anyone who used this? SG (StarGlider) and such games with it ?
But punch cards ...had not the chance to use ;D
Kadri.
It was 1980 on a 1977 DEC. I forgot the model. There was a hand held input tablet with holes in it's face. You used a hand sized poker to bust tabs out of a punch card. (Little rectangular 'chads' would leak out, causing frequent vacuuming.) Each row was a byte. There were sixteen rows.
I wrote a guess the number game. My Dad was pissed when he came back from a meeting and found two rolls of paper tape had been used to play it.
Quote from: Kadri on October 28, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
I think i saw a 386 pc in 1987 ( not sure) in a big company . I could affort it only in circa 1993 and that upgrade from 286 was because of Doom. Kadri.
I played Doom and used various fractal programs until I discovered these people in 1997. Have not really been a gamer since DOOM.
So for me I guess PLANETSIDE conquered DOOM. (needs to be said in that announcer guys voice, from the movies) :P
i have either a 486 or a 386 sitting in the bottom of my closet, that was my first computer with windows OS.
I don't think I've ever came across punch cards before.
Quote from: matrix2003 on October 28, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: Kadri on October 28, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
I think i saw a 386 pc in 1987 ( not sure) in a big company . I could affort it only in circa 1993 and that upgrade from 286 was because of Doom. Kadri.
...So for me I guess PLANETSIDE conquered DOOM. (needs to be said in that announcer guys voice, from the movies) :P
In a way for me my main upgrade reasons was games and 3d program render time concerns. But now it is mainly only render times.
Pc games are not so rapid evolving as at that times...Consoles everywhere. Intel has seen the writing on the wall...they must make a market for they cpus .
Office programs and such don't need that much power of 20-30 cores ;D
Because of this , they are tackling (?) with software renders (ray tracing) on new intel cpus and such(with intel hardware support)...
People like we in 3D have nothing too worry in general , this kind of programs are multithreaded most of the time...
But they too must cope with the ongoing trend with many many cores in the future.
I have a feeling people like Matt have nightmares sometimes what to do about this....long story...Most of you know this..
Zaai999 does it still run ;D ?
Kadri.
Quote from: Kadri on October 28, 2009, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: matrix2003 on October 28, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: Kadri on October 28, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
I think i saw a 386 pc in 1987 ( not sure) in a big company . I could affort it only in circa 1993 and that upgrade from 286 was because of Doom. Kadri.
...So for me I guess PLANETSIDE conquered DOOM. (needs to be said in that announcer guys voice, from the movies) :P
In a way for me my main upgrade reasons was games and 3d program render time concerns. But now it is mainly only render times.
Pc games are not so rapid evolving as at that times...Consoles everywhere. Intel has seen the writing on the wall...they must make a market for they cpus .
Office programs and such don't need that much power of 20-30 cores ;D
Because of this , they are tackling (?) with software renders (ray tracing) on new intel cpus and such(with intel hardware support)...
People like we in 3D have nothing too worry in general , this kind of programs are multithreaded most of the time...
But they too must cope with the ongoing trend with many many cores in the future.
I have a feeling people like Matt have nightmares sometimes what to do about this....long story...Most of you know this..
Zaai999 does it still run ;D ?
Kadri.
woahh....., i must have missed this - should have notified myself
yes, if i had a compatible monitor, a serial mouse, and serial keyboard it probadly would work :)
but i'm not 100% certain
i did some of my first digital artwork on that 486 - made with MS paint, corel draw, etc, etc, i'd like to see them again if i could.
i remember the last game i was playing on it... Descent II, man i love that game, i still play it sometimes.
:)
if anyone's still interesting in getting back to the topic ... ahem.
So I installed Win 7 on my i7 two days ago. Everything went fine, TG2 runs fine as well.
However, after a while of inactivity the beast was blue-screening at me :-(
I figured that Win 7 wanted to reduce the core power to a meagre 5%, which eventually let my pc freeze. I have disabled all energy saving options and since then no blue screens no more.
Cheers,
Frank
i should be getting windows 7 pretty soon... looking forward to it, :)
thanks for the advice Frank, i'll keep that in mind.
Quote from: FrankB on November 30, 2009, 03:58:37 PM
I figured that Win 7 wanted to reduce the core power to a meagre 5%, which eventually let my pc freeze. I have disabled all energy saving options and since then no blue screens no more.
it a dell by any chance?
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/11/30/1818207/Dell-Defect-Turning-22GHz-CPU-Into-100MHz-CPU
The power option for the CPU on a desktop is not a good idea. Desktop CPU's are designed to run at full power. They need a fair amount of heat at all times, or the sudden temperature changes can make them unstable.
Quote from: neuspadrin on November 30, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: FrankB on November 30, 2009, 03:58:37 PM
I figured that Win 7 wanted to reduce the core power to a meagre 5%, which eventually let my pc freeze. I have disabled all energy saving options and since then no blue screens no more.
it a dell by any chance?
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/11/30/1818207/Dell-Defect-Turning-22GHz-CPU-Into-100MHz-CPU
nooooo, I build all my PC's from custom specs. Always. Where's the fun in just buying one? ;D
ah just checking saw that and just remembered your 5% too.
And agreed, building is awayyy better ;)
again something on win 7.
For the first time ever I find creating a home network (pc's accessing one another) really easy to do. Not quite as simple as with macs, but close. You don't need to know anything about networks to create one.
I've got 2 pc's in the house with win7 running. One carries my photos and music, and recorded tv. Now when I open windows media player on the other pc, I can simply start any of these media from there, while the other pc is serving the data. It's all pretty nicely integrated.
I also have the new media center running that comes with win7 (on the home theatre pc), which also works really well, just out of the box. It records in nice quality and has a lot of eye candy, too. I like it.
Regards
Frank
Has anyone managed to do an upgrade from Vista ultimate 64 bit. Its asking for a clean install and I really don't want to do that. Will I effectively have to reinstall ALL my programs? Doing it once or twice I don't mind but I must have 20 to 30 different apps that will need hunting down again. Mostly on DVD's so I hope to gods they're not scratched!
Richard
Yep clean install is a fresh one that you gotta reinstall everything. Personally I always do that as easy way to clean up all the stuff i dont care for anymore ;)
Oh, and if you have adobe products make sure you deactivate them to make life easier.
Oh well, it'll have to wait then till I can get a spare HD and install onto that.
Cheers
:)
Richard
Great, 'kin great! :(
Managed to back up everything (well I'm a boy with a new toy lol)
Installed it, easy as pie only to find that its apparently an illeagal copy.
"This copy of Windows 7 is not genuine"
It came in a sealed box, its covered in holograms, its got a MS seal/sticker on the front (which I had to break to open the box and its got a MS 20 character Alpha/Neumeric "Product Key". It was bought from Amazon by my girlfriends son as a birthday present.
Bloody anoyed
>:(Richard
Have you tried calling the activation line?
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/activation-centers.aspx
I wasn't going to bother for a while. Is that why its saying its not genuine? Extremely anoying if so.
Could be. It's only the license that comes up with that message. The only other thing I would suggest is to reinstall it but don't put the product key in during the installation. Put it in from Windows once it's installed.
You prob need to update the product key. After installing it auto puts a key there, and says "activate now" or whatever, but isn't the key you actually use.
Go to Computer (or "my computer", whatever) and at the top it should say "organize, views, system properties.." etc. Click system properties, and at the bottom hit "change product key" and put the one you got in your box.
I know with mine when i installed the key there was not my actual key, i had to retype mine and then activate.
Well I tried again today and now it wont gat past the product key, each time I enter it it says invalid key. Of course Microsoft's help line is only open 8am till 6pm weekdays so that is not much help. So far I have managed two installs on differant disks, one time is=nstalls fine but says it is an illegal copy and the next time it tells me the product key is invalid, its the same key I used yesterday!
So now I have no pc, no way of getting in touch with MS or Amazon till monday so I am not very happy with my birfday prezzy :(
Richard
Maybe someone has invented a keygen for win7 already, letting people steal some keys.
Also sometimes you hear about accidental duplicate keys.
It happens. Bummer it happened to you.
In a forum was this:
" I had this problem last night with the Windows 7 Home Upgrade. Turns out, if you don't ALREADY have XP or Vista installed, it will claim your CD-Key is invalid.
...
All you have to do is install XP or Vista first, then insert the Windows 7 CD from within Windows. You can ask it to "Upgrade" from Vista "in-place" or do a clean install. However, their idea of "Clean Install" means it takes your entire existing Windows install and puts it into a folder called Windows.OLD and saves it on your new install."
If the above is your problem please look here : http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/10/23/clean-install-windows-7-with-upgrade-media-the-answer.aspx
I don't think that is your problem....?
Kadri.
If they still have this loophole, you can use the upgrade media to install a 30 day trial version, and then "upgrade" the trial edition. I had to do this as I only had 32bit media for my full vista, while i had a 64bit upgrade disk and was wanting 64bit (and had enterprise key and a ultimate upgrade key).
You did it by just not entering a key on install and allowed it to install the trial, then you ran install again using upgrade key.
When I upgraded to Vista, I had to wait 24 days for the OS to be validated by Microsoft. I was freaked. Amazon.com got on Microsoft for me. I bought the upgrade there.
This sounds about right >:(
One of the side issues is that you can not upgrade Vista 64 Ultimate to Win7 Home Premium, apparently V64U is "higher in the food chain" than W7HP. The version I have is a full version, supposedly, so no trial installs available.
Blo*dy MS, I'm stumpped till monday and even then I'm none too confident. gnrrrr :(
Richard
Quote from: cyphyr on December 05, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
This sounds about right >:(
One of the side issues is that you can not upgrade Vista 64 Ultimate to Win7 Home Premium, apparently V64U is "higher in the food chain" than W7HP. The version I have is a full version, supposedly, so no trial installs available.
Blo*dy MS, I'm stumpped till monday and even then I'm none too confident. gnrrrr :(
Richard
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772579(WS.10).aspx
Its odd but make semi sense. Don't get too discouraged. Win 7 is nice.
Well after much hair pulling and cussing I finially got it in. Mostly good sofar but the bad news is that TG's licence key is not recognised! Hmm time to contact PS for a new one I guess lol :)
Richard
Quote from: cyphyr on December 07, 2009, 02:02:18 PM
Well after much hair pulling and cussing I finially got it in. Mostly good sofar but the bad news is that TG's licence key is not recognised! Hmm time to contact PS for a new one I guess lol :)
Richard
thats odd... i've prob used my key a billion times across xp, vista, and 7 with the amount i change os :P
try right clicking and running as administrator. maybe its not getting access to the keyfile as its in program files. i notice some people have issues where stuff gets restricted access... i never seem to have those problems...
that IS very odd! I too have moved it from machine to machine, OS etc ... with out a blip? :-\
I'm blaming a totally screwed HD :(
I got it to work for a short time but alas the system wont even switch on now. Nothing to do with vista or win7 but I think I may have done some damage moving HD's about during the install process. Ther worst is that now I cant get at any of my data on my desktop; I think I'll have to get a disk caddy and read the HD's that way. Good news is that my replacement laptop arrived to day.
Thanks for the support guys
Richard