I recently deleted my installation of Vista RC since the final thing its coming out so I am not able to test TG2 on vista.
Has anyone tested it?
Cheers.
I haven't myself but some people on these forums have. I've heard that they are getting some OpenGL issues but otherwise it works. Just do a search and I think you'll find plenty of information ;)
Quote from: MeltingIce on January 18, 2007, 11:00:21 AM
I haven't myself but some people on these forums have. I've heard that they are getting some OpenGL issues but otherwise it works. Just do a search and I think you'll find plenty of information ;)
I did a search on vista and windows vista on the forums; you only get 2 hits:
Vista Atmosphere Issue
in Terragen 2 Support
Re: Vista Atmosphere Issue by jo
... I tried enabling compositing mode for windows on XP, to see if it got rid of some ...
... described in the first post. I imagine Vista has the compositing mode turned on all ...
18.8% Torkain December 23, 2006, 07:49:21 AM
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Linux by efflux
... be a Linux version over both Mac and Windows. I have PCs here that will not be going ...
... case it seems as though we are all on Windows. I have a Mac G5 but any PCs I build in ...
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New Planetside Site Layout?
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Re: New Planetside Site Layout? by Dark Fire
... your version looks better than the Windows Vista site, which is spoiled by heavy ...
6% Blackheart6004 December 24, 2006, 09:36:44 PM
Which isnt by far "plenty" of information on serious TG2 testing on Windows Vista.
There's no need to worry too much about Vista - the Planetside team will fix any problems TG2 has with it.
Yes Ive asked about it that will fix the problums as they arise so don't worry.
Regards,
Will
Vista is having all sorts of reported troubles from graphics to discombobulated tightened security and is (from my professional point of view) a POS.
well its windows what do you expect it has been released half finished and in five years it will be mostly stable.
Regards,
Will
lol yeah... i dont actually get people who bought Vista so early. It doesnt make sense, all hackers are waiting for the same moment.
The tightened security may be discombobulated, but at least it has finally been tightened.
The only reason im thinking about getting Vista this year is becuase of CRYSIS, that game looks amazing in DX10.
Regards,
Will
The support for new amazing hardware in Vista is the main reason for buying it, I think.
Will (and everyone), look what John Carmack has to say about Vista and DirectX10 -
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=22161
There is no reason to go to Vista for games. Oh, sorry. Should we say that out in the open where MS can hear us? :-*
Not tightened for people who really want to use their PC. It has all sorts of ways to keep us from doing what we normally could do on XP or Max OSX.
Quote from: Dark Fire on January 18, 2007, 04:07:48 PM
The tightened security may be discombobulated, but at least it has finally been tightened.
Yea Ive read that and I agree but have you seen the movies and screens from that game...crazy. But I see your point and I have Fedora Core on my laptop in protest ;)
Regards,
Will
An interesting read on Vista's content protection.....
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html)
Thanks, gradient. Great article...although I haven't read it all. It sounds like MS is biting off more than it can chew. Time to look at the Mac, I guess.
I have tried TG2 on Vista Ultimate (the final build to be released on the 31st) and it works fine. I have not run into any problems with it so far.
It does seem to be abit more sluggish than xp (Athlon X2 4400+ @ 2.6Ghz)...
Quote from: Dark Penguin on January 19, 2007, 12:10:01 AM
I have tried TG2 on Vista Ultimate (the final build to be released on the 31st) and it works fine. I have not run into any problems with it so far.
It does seem to be abit more sluggish than xp (Athlon X2 4400+ @ 2.6Ghz)...
Probably that discombobulated tightened security slowing it down...
Quote from: buchvecny on January 18, 2007, 04:04:32 PM
lol yeah... i dont actually get people who bought Vista so early. It doesnt make sense, all hackers are waiting for the same moment.
Nobody has bought vista already since its not out yet ;)
And you know of hacker activity how? I know for a fact that a good "Hacker" certainly does not need you to have a Windows vista rig to get into your system, advanced hacking its done on Unix systems and this community is proud when they get root on a unix server, certainly any XP machine does not represent a problem to any advanced "Hacker" it is simply of no interest to them. Now if you keep important credit card info unsecured inside your rig well it doesn't matter what flavor of OS you are running you are just asking for it. So vista or not what keeps you safe its your brain and common sense.
Cheers.
I get what yuor saying but what I think he was implying was that Windows' built-in secerity sucks.
Regards,
Will
Quote from: Dark Penguin on January 19, 2007, 12:10:01 AM
I have tried TG2 on Vista Ultimate (the final build to be released on the 31st) and it works fine. I have not run into any problems with it so far.
It does seem to be abit more sluggish than xp (Athlon X2 4400+ @ 2.6Ghz)...
Thanks a bunch man 1st hand experience finally ;) So you installed Vista on this rig you mention? (Athlon X2 4400+ @ 2.6Ghz)
may I ask about the Video card and ram?
Edlo I think there was anouther thread talking about Vista with anouther first hand responce ill see if I can dig it up for you.
Regards,
Will
Quote from: Will on January 19, 2007, 02:21:42 PM
Edlo I think there was anouther thread talking about Vista with anouther first hand responce ill see if I can dig it up for you.
Regards,
Will
Thanks M8 ;D
Quote from: Torkain on December 23, 2006, 02:49:21 AM
I'm not sure what exactly was causing this error, but I had no idea it was really an error until just now. I was running Vista RC2 (x86 version) and the preview pane of T2D never displayed the atmosphere properly. It was always just a random mess of polygons (half of them missing) that never accurately displayed what was going on. I would always have to render the scene to see what the atmosphere looked like.
I just switched back to XP last night because nVidia's lack of SLI support in Vista was getting really old. When I loaded up T2D just now, I saw the atmosphere display perfectly fine. I'm guessing it was Vista+T2D as I can't see why it would have been an issue with the graphic card driver, everything else displayed perfectly fine; only the atmosphere was messed up.
Is anyone else running Vista RC2 that was running into that problem? Or anyone running Vista RTM to see if maybe whatever was causing the issue was fixed? I figured I'd bring this up since by the time T2D is finished, Vista will probably be the standard OS. (or about to be)
Here you go not exactly about Vista but it Vista related.
Regards,
Will
I did not notice anything odd happening with the atmosphere, but I am back on my xp install (dual boot) due to my bogged down install of xp being faster than vista :(
I might go back to vista tonight, so post any questions you might have.
As for specs,
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon X2 4400+ @ 2.6
1gb Corsair Dual Channel DDR400
Nvidia 6800 Ultra PCI-E (128mb I believe)
250gb SATA (Vista)
320gb SATA (XP)
Its getting a bit outdated, but should still be good for another year or so.
Quote from: Dark Penguin on January 19, 2007, 03:10:38 PM
I did not notice anything odd happening with the atmosphere, but I am back on my xp install (dual boot) due to my bogged down install of xp being faster than vista :(
I might go back to vista tonight, so post any questions you might have.
As for specs,
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon X2 4400+ @ 2.6
1gb Corsair Dual Channel DDR400
Nvidia 6800 Ultra PCI-E (128mb I believe)
250gb SATA (Vista)
320gb SATA (XP)
Its getting a bit outdated, but should still be good for another year or so.
If the card its 128 maybe that is it, cause the open GL preview its Vid RAM thirsty :) and Aero also so you have the OS and TG2 fighting for it.
Quote from: edlo on January 19, 2007, 04:20:51 PM
If the card its 128 maybe that is it, cause the open GL preview its Vid RAM thirsty :) and Aero also so you have the OS and TG2 fighting for it.
I meant the whole OS is sluggish, tg2 actually seemed to go a little faster on vista... ???
So the preview is vid card based, and the final render is only cpu? Or is it both? (just hoping both - I am getting an ati x1900 soon ;D)
Final render is cpu only.
Preview and final render are both CPU-driven as far as speed goes. The preview does make use of basic OpenGL for display, which is what sometimes causes issues with its visual output I believe. But it doesn't really make use of any specific acceleration features or OpenGL 2.0 shading features.
- Oshyan
Can I ask what features of Open-GL are and are not supported in Terragen at this time, and would fuller implementation of Open-GL be considered for the future? I realise that there maybe some features of the Open-GL specification that may not be relevant to what TG2 and latter maybe trying to achieve but it would be nice to know the current state of play.
Other applications have full Open-GL ;D so its seems a little odd that an application of the Power and sophistication of TG2 would only have a basic implementation of it. I have heard before of issues with Open-GL previews been slow to update and other such problems and in the past these issues have been picked up and been talked about in the software review press and would erg that if any such issues exist now that they be dealt with now, if they are not being so already (Positive product image perception equates to more units sold).
The aforementioned security feature in Vista (Also in XP 64bit) is called "Patch Guard" which I believe prevents software form modifying the Kernel of the software or some thing like that.
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel
Quote from: edlo on January 19, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: buchvecny on January 18, 2007, 04:04:32 PM
lol yeah... i dont actually get people who bought Vista so early. It doesnt make sense, all hackers are waiting for the same moment.
Nobody has bought vista already since its not out yet ;)
It has been out for several months for some people - just not the majority the general public.
You're right. It's part of MSDN, so if you're a subscriber you already have it :)
I don't have a MSDN subscription, but I have a friend who is cool.... 8)
TG2 doesn't use OpenGL for any accelerated rendering of the scene so it only uses basic functions for display, essentially. That's why it doesn't use more OpenGL features nor would doing so likely be useful unless we attempted to accelerate scene rendering with it. However given TG2's heavy reliance on complex displacement and the sophisticated atmosphere and cloud shading system it's unlikely that a GL-accelerated viewport will be possible any time soon, certainly not without a tremendous amount of work.
- Oshyan
Quote from: JavaJones on January 21, 2007, 10:09:50 PM
TG2 doesn't use OpenGL for any accelerated rendering of the scene so it only uses basic functions for display, essentially. That's why it doesn't use more OpenGL features nor would doing so likely be useful unless we attempted to accelerate scene rendering with it. However given TG2's heavy reliance on complex displacement and the sophisticated atmosphere and cloud shading system it's unlikely that a GL-accelerated viewport will be possible any time soon, certainly not without a tremendous amount of work.
- Oshyan
That been the case then it sounds to me that a partnership deal needs to be negotiated between Planetside Software and SGI who as you know are responsible with Open-Gl and with such a partnership I am sure that the technical hurdles with time could be over come.
Such things happen ever year in our industry as they do with any other, after all a problem sheared among many, is a problem twice as soon resolved; that's the way I look at it any way.
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel
SGI went bankrupt last year. Probably not the best partner. ;) But regardless of the partner, translating TG2's sophisticated and proprietary internal algorithms to something that can be accelerated by OpenGL is no small task. And what would this "partner" ask in return?
It's easy to suggest such an arrangement but far more difficult to find the right partner, negotiate the deal, and actually get it to happen. You're welcome to send any interested parties our way though. ;)
- Oshyan
It's true that indeed that SGI went bankrupt last year, but since then I do believe they have come back with a new finance structure (October, 2006) after convincing its bank that it could turn a profit, that's the information I have any way.
In any case some one in the community with access to the Open-GL API could do it, maybe, but that would be only possible if Terragen where to go open source (Unlikely) or perhaps it could happen once the SDK comes out providing the necessary hooks are in place in the SDK to those algorithms.
Any way that's my two cents on the issue.
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel ;D
It's not likely that the SDK would provide that level of access and TG going open source is even less likely. ;) In the end the value of Terragen is largely in its proprietary rendering engine and specific realizations of otherwise common techniques and systems. To expose the inner workings of those systems would essentially remove any competitive advantage we have.
We will certainly be looking at the feasibility of different realtime visualization systems, including what can be done with OpenGL accelerated functions. We will implement such solutions if they make sense and we have the development time and resources to do so. This may include working with outside partners or contractors, but that would only be pursued after an evaluation of feasibility.
- Oshyan
Wow I log off for a day and look where the thread goes with out me... Anyway how did the olde Terragen get all its plug-ins? Was the a SDK for that?
Regards,
Will
In case anyone care about what Gabe Newell from Valve says about Vista -
GI: What's your opinion of the Xbox 360?
Newell: Microsoft has so many problems with Vista; I wish they were focusing more on the thing that runs on hundreds of millions of PCs rather than six million proprietary clients. Vista really shows a lack of focus on making a better consumer platform. I came out of the Windows group, and right now, I'd go with a Macintosh as being a better solution for most consumers than a Vista-based PC. It's shocking to me. If you're an XP user, you're going to be more comfortable upgrading to an Apple than Vista.
Quote from: Dark Fire on January 20, 2007, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: edlo on January 19, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: buchvecny on January 18, 2007, 04:04:32 PM
lol yeah... i dont actually get people who bought Vista so early. It doesnt make sense, all hackers are waiting for the same moment.
Nobody has bought vista already since its not out yet ;)
It has been out for several months for some people - just not the majority the general public.
"Release Candidate" its for testing, not a released product, and certainly you cant BUY it
Quote from: edlo on January 22, 2007, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: Dark Fire on January 20, 2007, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: edlo on January 19, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: buchvecny on January 18, 2007, 04:04:32 PM
lol yeah... i dont actually get people who bought Vista so early. It doesnt make sense, all hackers are waiting for the same moment.
Nobody has bought vista already since its not out yet ;)
It has been out for several months for some people - just not the majority the general public.
"Release Candidate" its for testing, not a released product, and certainly you cant BUY it
No. Microsoft 'finished' Vista a few months before the end of 2006. I'm not sure who is meant to have it yet, but rest assured that some people are using the final version now...
Quote from: Dark Fire on January 22, 2007, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: edlo on January 22, 2007, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: Dark Fire on January 20, 2007, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: edlo on January 19, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: buchvecny on January 18, 2007, 04:04:32 PM
lol yeah... i dont actually get people who bought Vista so early. It doesnt make sense, all hackers are waiting for the same moment.
Nobody has bought vista already since its not out yet ;)
It has been out for several months for some people - just not the majority the general public.
"Release Candidate" its for testing, not a released product, and certainly you cant BUY it
No. Microsoft 'finished' Vista a few months before the end of 2006. I'm not sure who is meant to have it yet, but rest assured that some people are using the final version now...
Yeah certainly insiders and corporate partners as TG2 have been on the hands of a select group for quite a while, he is talking about buying so we are discussing public release; not a few unknown people. Actually the concern was Vista being open to hacking.
Quote from: edlo on January 22, 2007, 01:28:53 PM
Quote from: Dark Fire on January 22, 2007, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: edlo on January 22, 2007, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: Dark Fire on January 20, 2007, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: edlo on January 19, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: buchvecny on January 18, 2007, 04:04:32 PM
lol yeah... i dont actually get people who bought Vista so early. It doesnt make sense, all hackers are waiting for the same moment.
Nobody has bought vista already since its not out yet ;)
It has been out for several months for some people - just not the majority the general public.
"Release Candidate" its for testing, not a released product, and certainly you cant BUY it
No. Microsoft 'finished' Vista a few months before the end of 2006. I'm not sure who is meant to have it yet, but rest assured that some people are using the final version now...
Yeah certainly insiders and corporate partners as TG2 have been on the hands of a select group for quite a while, he is talking about buying so we are discussing public release; not a few unknown people. Actually the concern was Vista being open to hacking.
I'm sure those people who already have it paid Microsoft
a lot more than what most people will pay. Also, as long as Microsoft products are used by a large number of people they will much more vunerable to hacking compared to other products. Where there are people to be exploited, hackers will always find a way to exploit them - no security system is 100% secure (otherwise everybody would be using it).