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Title: Into the Wild - Final
Post by: Gannaingh on December 01, 2010, 05:23:09 PM
It's been awhile since I posted an image; school tends to do make life a bit busy. Pretty much nothing beyond the basic POV is finalized so it could change a lot or very little depending on where I decide to take it. As always, comments and suggestions for improvement are very much appreciated :)

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Title: Re: Into the Wild -V1
Post by: Tangled-Universe on December 01, 2010, 06:02:48 PM
Cool to see some work from you again.
My first suggestions for improvement would be the fluffy top cloud layer.
You might want to remove that completely maybe.
Second I'd reduce the water wave scale.
The POV and terrain are very good and I think the scales of the trees is pretty good as well.

Cheers,
Martin
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V1
Post by: MacGyver on December 01, 2010, 06:02:55 PM
Great start! First thing that came to my mind were the waves, looks like they could be changed. Can't be more specific, perhaps a little less rough? :)

Edit: That was fast Martin! ;D
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V1
Post by: dhavalmistry on December 01, 2010, 07:05:15 PM
love the lighting

and I agree with Martin!
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V1
Post by: Gannaingh on December 01, 2010, 10:34:43 PM
Thank you for you input! I agree with the comments about the water, in the next version it is going to be a lot smoother with smaller scale waves. Also, the POV has been changed somewhat, although I think it is a dramatic improvement.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V1
Post by: Dune on December 02, 2010, 02:45:46 AM
I like it. Agree with previous comments; calmer water, but perhaps a little patchiness of waves to keep the water interesting, as if sudden winds come up. Two more suggestions; decrease the tree density towards the hilltops, so that these tops are virtually bare, and darken the sky/clouds a little. It's a bit bleached. The whiff of low cloud is great!
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: Gannaingh on December 03, 2010, 11:07:50 AM
Here is number two. I've lowered the camera to the water level, made the water smoother, changed the lighting, and played with the vegetation. Over all there is a lot less going on in this one. It still needs work, since it just doesn't pop at the moment.

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Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: Onyx on December 03, 2010, 11:11:51 AM
Very promising !
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: dhavalmistry on December 03, 2010, 11:14:56 AM
very nice.....I love this version :)

Just one suggestion.....the trees are getting lost in the far left mountain.....maybe scale them up or increase the density?
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: domdib on December 03, 2010, 11:27:57 AM
The foreground beach is superb. There's just one issue with the overall quality of the image - I think I detect some graininess in the reflections, particularly on the left. Maybe up atmo samples??. Also, as you probably know, I'm not a fan of over-exposed skies, but I recognise it's a legitimate aesthetic choice, and it works fairly well here.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: dhavalmistry on December 03, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: domdib on December 03, 2010, 11:27:57 AM
The foreground beach is superb. There's just one issue with the overall quality of the image - I think I detect some graininess in the reflections, particularly on the left. Maybe up atmo samples??. Also, as you probably know, I'm not a fan of over-exposed skies, but I recognise it's a legitimate aesthetic choice, and it works fairly well here.

I think the graininess you are talking about is because of AA and its from the trees....
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: Henry Blewer on December 03, 2010, 11:50:32 AM
I would add a low cloud/fog between the background mountain and the left sides mountain. Not too high, keep it close to the horizon and water level. Just enough to leak around in front of the left mountain.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: Gannaingh on December 03, 2010, 02:06:30 PM
The graininess is probably due to a number of factors. The reflection of the trees, AA settings, and the wave scale on the water. Since the waves are small, 3.5 meters as opposed to the default ten, at great distances those waves appear to blend into a grainy haze...at least that's what I think is the matter, I won't know for sure until I get back and play with the settings.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: choronr on December 03, 2010, 02:08:13 PM
A very pleasing scene; both, the first and the second.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: cyphyr on December 03, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
I like the beach and especially the water but I miss the low fog in the previous image. It really added to the mood of the scene :)
Richard
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V2
Post by: Hetzen on December 03, 2010, 03:16:21 PM
This is coming on well. Might want to play around with the atmosphere a little, depending on what you're looking for, misty or strong detail, by thining it out or thickening, but definately add more samples. Also, I think you'll be able to do quite a bit with this in post.

The landscape, mountain erosion, water, beach and clouds are very convincing.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V3
Post by: Gannaingh on December 06, 2010, 11:41:29 AM
The next iteration. I added some snow on the mountains and changed up the foreground a bit. I don't think I like the clearer sky as much so I'll have to tweak that some.

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Title: Re: Into the Wild -V3
Post by: Henry Blewer on December 06, 2010, 07:29:47 PM
The fog looks great. I do not know the sun/horizon angle you are using. But I think the side of the lake where the sun is striking the fog can be thinner.
This is coming along nice.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V3
Post by: dhavalmistry on December 06, 2010, 07:32:11 PM
no offence but I think I prefer v2....
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V3
Post by: Gannaingh on December 06, 2010, 07:45:41 PM
No offence taken, for the most part I tend to agree with you.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V3
Post by: choronr on December 06, 2010, 08:05:02 PM
I agree about version 2; but, if you include the foreground of 3, I think you'll be on the road to completion. The fog would be a nice element if the sun were a bit lower; and, if it were made thinner.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: Gannaingh on December 08, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
Next one! New aspect ratio, new lighting and a new atmosphere. I like the mood in this one better than in previous versions, though I may increase the amount of cloud cover to darken the mood somewhat. I think the foreground is a step backwards but finals week hasn't allowed me to play with it as much as I would like.

Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: Henry Blewer on December 08, 2010, 06:53:06 PM
I see Nessie! Or at least a lake monster! :o

I never thought I would say this, the image is now a little too dark. Increasing the GI enviro light would help.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: RArcher on December 09, 2010, 12:26:24 AM
These are all really great.  My personal preference is without question the second one you posted.  I love the light clouds and hazy atmosphere, and the texturing on the mountains just seems far more realistic to me than the snow peaks on the recent ones.  I like the camera position on the third version best, but I don't care too much for the reeds.  Perhaps some very tiny very sparce plants might work better for foreground detail.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: Onyx on December 09, 2010, 02:40:08 PM
I agree with Ryan, the second one was the best
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: Dune on December 10, 2010, 03:06:12 AM
Agreed. Perhaps, as Ryan suggested, some small plants or grass clumps. Or a washed ashore tree trunk...
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: Onyx on December 10, 2010, 10:52:06 AM
Did you try to render scene #2 with high details ? (e.g detail = 1, AA = 5)
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: Gannaingh on December 13, 2010, 01:14:08 AM
Thank you all for the suggestions! Hopefully I'll be able to get you a new one tomorrow; moving back home for college break has taken longer than I had hoped.

@ Onyx: All of these have been rendered with the following settings:
Detail: .9
AA: 6 (MN)
GI: 2/2
Raytraced bojects/atmo enabled

The reason the most recent one is darker is because I tweaked the contrast too much compared to the earlier versions.
Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: DVA99 on December 13, 2010, 05:07:46 AM
Great work Darth!

I like them all but no 2 is for me just eye candy.

Title: Re: Into the Wild -V4
Post by: Gannaingh on December 18, 2010, 10:19:03 PM
Hi everybody, I'm sorry I havent gotten around to updating this yet. The area where I live has been seeing some rough weather and the power has been out for most of the past week. Hopefully (fingers crossed) I'll be able to get the latest, and possibly final version posted sometime tomorrow.
Title: Re: Into the Wild - finalish
Post by: Gannaingh on December 19, 2010, 05:59:07 PM
I've got one more of this one coming (a much bigger version). I need to get rid of the noise in the water on the right side of the image, increase the brighness of the image a little, and I'm going to reduce the water's roughness some. Besides that I'm pretty happy with it, I think the sky turned out especially well.

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Title: Re: Into the Wild - finalish
Post by: choronr on December 19, 2010, 06:10:33 PM
Extra fine work here ...I really like this final.
Title: Re: Into the Wild - finalish
Post by: Dune on December 20, 2010, 03:43:14 AM
Very nice indeed! I encountered this noise in reflections as well. It seems the noise from the cloud, which appears extra strong in the reflections somehow. Perhaps a higher quality setting of the cloud will help, never checked that.
Title: Re: Into the Wild - finalish
Post by: Gannaingh on December 20, 2010, 09:06:43 PM
Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Into the Wild - finalish
Post by: FrankB on December 21, 2010, 06:34:53 AM
extra-fine indeed!  :)
Title: Re: Into the Wild - Final
Post by: Gannaingh on December 26, 2010, 02:50:42 AM
Thanks everybody for following this thread, I'm sorry it took me so long to wrap this one up, but I think the end result is worth it. It was originally rendered at 3456 x 1440 pixels but I reduced its size a bit to make uploading it easier...and to make poachers on deviantart less likely to steal it  ;)

http://gannaingh32.deviantart.com/#/d35okgw
Title: Re: Into the Wild - Final
Post by: Henry Blewer on December 26, 2010, 08:07:28 AM
Looks great on Deviant. I was considering poaching it myself, for a desktop background. ;D Fine Job.