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General => Image Sharing => Topic started by: Simius Strabus on November 04, 2012, 02:59:08 PM

Title: Never posted renders
Post by: Simius Strabus on November 04, 2012, 02:59:08 PM
I'm pretty sure that most of us have tons of renders that never made it to the forum for all kinds of reasons. (Needs work, got stuck, etc...)
Here's a few of em.
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Dune on November 05, 2012, 03:07:28 AM
Some very nice works, Chiel, thanks for showing them.
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Zairyn Arsyn on November 05, 2012, 10:45:14 AM
these are all nice renders, i like the star wars themed renders alot but i think my favorite is the lake one, nice reflections.
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: bla bla 2 on November 05, 2012, 12:25:42 PM
J'aime bien les deux dernières images.  :)
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Simius Strabus on November 05, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
Have to say that the last two images are my personal favorite, too. I'm kind of a Star Wars fan  :)
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: McNistor on November 05, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
Very nice images indeed.
I have some observations about the last one though:
the scale of the ship versus the asteroid ring and planet is wrong.

If that was a real photo, the ship would be enormous. I'm not talking "star wars" enormous (which are about 10km in length if I'm not mistaken), but "planetary" enormous, hundreds of km if not more.
How did I reach to this conclusion?
Well, the asteroids seem to be very large as well since you can see individual ones from this distance, a distance that allows you to see the whole planet (if the camera would point to the center of the planet). If the shadow of the ship cast on the ring is that large, it means the ship is as large of several hundreds asteroids in length which are already very big as stated above.

On the other hand if the ship is 10km (as in star wars) it can't cast a shadow on the asteroid ring because it would much closer to the camera and the shadow would "fall" outside of the ring or it would be very small (about the size of the asteroid). Keep in mind that light coming from the star can be considered an infinite light thus the shadow wouldn't grow very much if projected on a distant object (the rings in this case).

Am I right when I say that the ship model's scale is not realistic when compared to the planet model?
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McNistor
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: TheBadger on November 06, 2012, 03:23:16 AM
Some nice elements in each one.
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Simius Strabus on November 06, 2012, 07:39:58 AM
I checked the scale and they were of by "only" 33x....whoops... Looked up the specs at wookieepedia.
ISD's are about 1600 meters long, the SSD-Executor (SW5-6) is 19000 meters long.
Rendering a new picture, ISD's closer to the camera and true to scale. Included an SSD as well.

Quote from: McNistor on November 05, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
Very nice images indeed.
I have some observations about the last one though:
the scale of the ship versus the asteroid ring and planet is wrong.

If that was a real photo, the ship would be enormous. I'm not talking "star wars" enormous (which are about 10km in length if I'm not mistaken), but "planetary" enormous, hundreds of km if not more.
How did I reach to this conclusion?
Well, the asteroids seem to be very large as well since you can see individual ones from this distance, a distance that allows you to see the whole planet (if the camera would point to the center of the planet). If the shadow of the ship cast on the ring is that large, it means the ship is as large of several hundreds asteroids in length which are already very big as stated above.

On the other hand if the ship is 10km (as in star wars) it can't cast a shadow on the asteroid ring because it would much closer to the camera and the shadow would "fall" outside of the ring or it would be very small (about the size of the asteroid). Keep in mind that light coming from the star can be considered an infinite light thus the shadow wouldn't grow very much if projected on a distant object (the rings in this case).

Am I right when I say that the ship model's scale is not realistic when compared to the planet model?
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McNistor
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Simius Strabus on November 06, 2012, 11:32:43 AM
Here's the true to scale version.

Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: McNistor on November 17, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
This looks a lot better :)

As I suspected, now the shadows won't be visible on the planet's rings since the ships are much closer to the camera and are outside the rings zone.

I'm just curios: would the ships be visible if you were to leave them in the exact same place where they previously were before getting them to a realistic scale?
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Dune on November 18, 2012, 03:13:52 AM
Very nice. One thing that eludes me (in general); these ships must have been or should be built in space, as they would never be able to leave gravity unscathed, with all these outside structures.
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Icegrip on November 18, 2012, 07:42:38 AM
Thanks for sharing. I like "The Lake" the most.
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Simius Strabus on November 18, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: McNistor on November 17, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
This looks a lot better :)

As I suspected, now the shadows won't be visible on the planet's rings since the ships are much closer to the camera and are outside the rings zone.

I'm just curios: would the ships be visible if you were to leave them in the exact same place where they previously were before getting them to a realistic scale?

I made a render with the true to scale models at their original position first. The ships were not visible :)
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: 4nt on November 18, 2012, 11:18:21 AM
a lot of nice pix, thanks for sharing these

cheers
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: McNistor on November 21, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Simius Strabus on November 18, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
I made a render with the true to scale models at their original position first. The ships were not visible :)

:) Of course not.
What surprises me the most is this kind of mistake I spot a lot in movies (big budget movies), but I guess I'm in minority here so it will be a while until there will be a movie without these mistakes, if ever.
Title: Re: Never posted renders
Post by: Simius Strabus on November 22, 2012, 12:37:46 PM
Now that you mention it, I do recall some SciFi movies to have these mistakes.
Take Star Wars IV for example:
When the deathstar destroyed Alderaan (at a relatively close range), wouldn't the high speed flying debris
and big chunks of planet completely destroy the deathstar itself???