I apologize to my friends around the planet who frequent here, but geeze that was the worst election cycle ever. So Obama wins, and all the ads stop, and the mud slinging goes away. WOOT! Now what? Back to same old BS. Nothing will get done. Partisan fighting and no desire to cooperate will mire this country for four more years. The Republican model for running this nation is basically to say no to every concept put forth by this administration, therefore expect more of the same. NOT MUCH!
that is 'politics' where ever you are!
QuoteNothing will get done. Partisan fighting and no desire to cooperate will mire this country for four more years
It is really hilarious!
A democratic president is re-elected and given NO mandate. And a republican Congress is re-elected and IS given a mandate to oppose the president. So what was the point? I always thought it was stupid to let someone vote simply because they were 18 years old or over. And now I'm sure.
Quote from: inkydigit on November 07, 2012, 09:41:04 AM
that is 'politics' where ever you are!
Definitely, though you can stratify the "where ever" into countries where it's causing "difficulties" or "serious problems" because of this.
The latter I would associate with the US if you look at how last 4 years went. Possibly also coming 4 years as Matrix pointed out.
The elite are all the same. Did not matter who won. They are going to continue the warfare state, the welfare state and print endless money as the wage slaves loose more liberty in the coming years. Government is nothing more then men placed in high positions using force and violence to continue there system of control and manipulation. It's time to progress past thinking the state can take care of us and baby us forever. That time is going away and we either work to minimize most Government or allow it to implode and try to take another approach like a stateless voluntary society with a free market.
I suggest you all listen to Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises then try and convince yourself why we need Government to take care of us.
I refuse to vote and participate in a system that is set up to keep the same types of people in office every time. It is a waist of time. Better to watch it crumble like Rome.
Let it burn. "To occupy oneself with unimportant matters and neglect priorities during a crisis."
At least people in Colorado and Washington state can partake as Rome burns. ;D
If only it could be as quiet and easy as it is in China! ;)
Quote from: inkydigit on November 08, 2012, 03:13:45 AM
If only it could be as quiet and easy as it is in China! ;)
Dunno about that. I knew a Chinese lady who could never possibly say enough bad things about Chairman Mao, the Chinese aristocracy, institutionalized corruption ("They all just kiss butt") and especially the "Great Leap Forward".
Quote from: ChrisC on November 07, 2012, 07:01:38 PM
The elite are all the same. Did not matter who won. They are going to continue the warfare state, the welfare state and print endless money as the wage slaves loose more liberty in the coming years. Government is nothing more then men placed in high positions using force and violence to continue there system of control and manipulation. It's time to progress past thinking the state can take care of us and baby us forever. That time is going away and we either work to minimize most Government or allow it to implode and try to take another approach like a stateless voluntary society with a free market.
I suggest you all listen to Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises then try and convince yourself why we need Government to take care of us.
I refuse to vote and participate in a system that is set up to keep the same types of people in office every time. It is a waist of time. Better to watch it crumble like Rome.
Via Oshyan I ran into this link about the above:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_im_voting_green_20121029/
It was an interesting read and especially it started very well with explaining that voting democrat or republican is essentially the same because of similar reasons you pointed out.
However, later they almost exclusively criticise Obama, which didn't make much sense to me if the message was that it doesn't matter what you vote for.
I'm happy to see there's some kind of anti-corporate movement in the US.
Here, in The Netherlands, I can't think of a party which is clearly anti-corporate.
So I'm going to make an unserious attempt here to piss some people off, but mostly to share some experimental thoughts :)
I kinda had it with capitalism and especially how far it is evolved and how far it has corrupted the whole world, basically.
All corporates boards and stock-holders want incremental increases in annual revenues.
Banks(ters) blackmail governments, because the endless money stream may not be interrupted. (if you don't support us, by bailing out, then all of your citizens get in financial trouble and your country will lose it's nice financial rating, thus devaluating your debts making you bankrupt, devaluates your money etc. etc.).
I'm just sick of it how corrupted it all is and that it happens on every level.
Basically we serve as financial slaves to pay for the corporates who want more, more and more money every year.
It's time for some communism people! ;D
One government which defines how much everyone pays for:
school/university
healthcare
gas, electricity, water
or defines that banks shall be split up into private and commercial sections, thus not allowing to use OUR money for their risky business models based on hot air.
or defines how much money is being created by the banks, thus directly controlling currency volume and value.
The latter we had not so very long ago world-wide and the first things we also had here in The Netherlands, not so long ago.
But we gave up these things because we were made to believe, by the corporate movement, that a big government is evil and reduces your freedom.
Ok, you pay a shitload of tax, but everyone gets equal chances for education and good healthcare and you can't be screwed by energy-companies and the like.
A government serving the needs of its citizens, not of the corporations.
Now we are all financial slaves and work for the majority of our lives for our debt and corporate profit. Now, how much freedom is that ;D
It's time for some more communism ;D
Quote from: masonspappy on November 08, 2012, 05:35:35 AM
Quote from: inkydigit on November 08, 2012, 03:13:45 AM
If only it could be as quiet and easy as it is in China! ;)
Dunno about that. I knew a Chinese lady who could never possibly say enough bad things about Chairman Mao, the Chinese aristocracy, institutionalized corruption ("They all just kiss butt") and especially the "Great Leap Forward".
sorry I was being sarcastic...
Martin...the only true 'anti-corporate party' would be the anarchists!
Quote from: inkydigit on November 08, 2012, 06:27:31 AM
Martin...the only true 'anti-corporate party' would be the anarchists!
Do you think something like that will happen nowadays?
It used to happen centuries ago, where kingdoms and governments were overthrown by unhappy citizens.
Yes we've had Tunisia and Egypt, but still I don't think it compared to how it used to happen ages ago.
Nowadays we're sheep, basically.
I wonder if something like this will happen somewhere in the future. Europeans from all EU countries going into Brussels and putting al those lobbyists and politicians naked on the squares. Throwing rotten tomatoes and rotten eggs ;D
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on November 08, 2012, 06:35:00 AM
Quote from: inkydigit on November 08, 2012, 06:27:31 AM
Martin...the only true 'anti-corporate party' would be the anarchists!
Do you think something like that will happen nowadays?
It used to happen centuries ago, where kingdoms and governments were overthrown by unhappy citizens.
Yes we've had Tunisia and Egypt, but still I don't think it compared to how it used to happen ages ago.
Nowadays we're sheep, basically.
I wonder if something like this will happen somewhere in the future. Europeans from all EU countries going into Brussels and putting al those lobbyists and politicians naked on the squares. Throwing rotten tomatoes and rotten eggs ;D
No it is difficult to see that the anarchists will ever overthrow much these days, although Greece is not looking too good?
and throwing rotten eggs and tomatoes at politicians sounds like fun, but you would end up in jail, for sure!
We
are sheep it is sad , but true... fed and beaten into submission by our corporate funded truncheon wielding police and governments!
...
song from one of my favourite musicians Roy Harper:
Far across the ocean
In the land of look and see
There once was a time
For you and me
Where the winds blow sweetly
And the easy seas flow still
And where the barefoot dream of life
Can laugh and cry its fill
Where slot machine confusions
And the plastic universe
Are objects of amusement
In the fiction of their curse
And where the crazy white man
And his teargas happiness
Lies dead and long since buried
By his own fantastic mess
For I hate the white man
And his plastic excuse
For I hate the white man
And the man who turned him loose
And the reins of coloured thunder
Of the stallion of the dawn
Ride the coalfire morning
On the beach where all is born
Where the emperor of meaning
Is burning up his fort
And sits to warm his toes
Around a fire made up of useless thoughts
And when the children tempt him
With the riddles of their trance
He flings the flames of solstice
Casting laughs into their dance
And while a crazy white man
In the desert of his bones
Lies as bleached as the paradise
He likes to think he owns
And I hate the white man
In his evergreen excuse
Oh I hate the white man
And the man who turned him loose
And far across the reaches
Of the drifting yellow sands
The living carpet wilderness
Forever joins its hands
With heaven's hell's attainment
In a surging crest of fire
Where more than all is thrown upon
The ever lasting pyre
And through the countless canticles
Of Jason's charcoal fleece
Are sung the songs of nothing
In the timeless masterpiece
And there stood in the middle
Guess who?
It's the everlasting bust
Built by god's very own white man
As he tries to rule the dust
And I hate the white man
In his doctrinaire abuse
Oh I hate the white man
And the man who turned you all loose
And the bowels of his city
Have been locked into a safe
Where the spew stains on the sidewalks
Are defenders of his faith
While back inside his kitchen
The bowler hatted, long haired saint
Cleans with soap and water
But it's really just white paint
While his golden headed scandal sheets
Present its daily bite
To give their righteous news-bleeders
Drugs to keep them white
While outside in the whitewash
Where the guns are always, always right
A shooting star has summoned
Its dark angel from his night
And I hate the white man
And his evergreen excuse
Oh I hate the white man
And the man who turned you all loose
And the man who turned him loose
:)
QuoteIf only it could be as quiet and easy as it is in China!
It seems that we are all headed that way. The process here is a joke. It matters not who is in office. The Orwellian talk of a shadow government seems to be very real and has probably been around since the early days of the CIA. The systems in place to clamp down on the populace are telling. The path we are on now is obviously not dictated by any one party, or any political ideology. In China they are just blatant about it. Here they just try to conceal it, lately calling it homeland security, the war on terror, or they blame it on extremists like the tea Party or the occupy movement. I joked about weed earlier. But honestly, what is the federal government going to do now? Two states just legalized it. If I were a financial advisor right now I would tell my clients to put their money into crowd control technologies including weed seeking drones, private prisons, and other privatized industry and business's with the intent to treat the electorate as the enemy.
My real fear is that someday we will be like China, and this conversation would not be possible.
Jed Bartlett for president!
A wall, a rifle, a lot of bullets and all the politics waiting in a looooong line to get their headshot.
That should be a good start for a brand new way of doing politics for the people.
We don't even need bullets and rifles, which are pretty expensive. Ropes, knives and Guillotine might do the job.
Or put them in a line waiting to get butchered in an abattoir. I can clearly see my french gvt or your US gvt as dog's and cat's food.
Jed Bartlett for president!
Quote from: ChrisC on November 07, 2012, 07:01:38 PM
as the wage slaves loose more liberty in the coming years.
This part is important. In the United States Of America the people were not slaves except when they brought over slaves from Africa - a convenient way to get slaves since the people who settled in the US weren't. The civil war did not free the slaves, it made everyone a slave. As a citizens of the United States (not the United States Of America) you are property of this US corporation in Washington DC. Washington DC runs the United States Corporation not the United States of America (the country). Obama is basically CEO of United States Corporation. This is how they got around your constitution which is now the constitution of the US corporation not for the people who essentially now own no property and have no rights since they wilfully became citizens of this US corporation. The corporation now assigned to run America is Homeland Security to finalise the cleaning out of any idea about freedom i.e any remaining ideas about rights to property, free speech, guns etc. Slaves are not allowed to have these things.
This is the same in all western countries it's just that some never had any freedoms in the first place whereas Americans did.
Islam is not a enemy of America or terrorists or whatever they dream up. That's all a red herring to grind America down or fight useful wars for the enemy. The real enemy of America is the same as it always has been. The British oligarchical establishment of Monarchs, Bankers and their corporations and offshoots such as Wall Street. They despise America because they believe they have the divine right to rule.
Obama is a lesser evil than Romney as well because Romney is backed by the Neocons and Zionist warmongers. Better slow economic collapse that sure fire bet of destruction with even more wars. I'm not saying they won't come but they were guaranteed with Romney.
@ Seth
I think I would consider feeding politicians to animals a form of cruelty, to the animal.
How would you like it if someone made you eat human shit? ;)
Check this out. A lot of this stuff I already knew. The rest I'm sure is probably fact as well:
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/40-outrageous-facts-most-people-dont-know/25650/
Same stuff in other countries of course.
Most people are living in total cloud cuckoo land as to how things work. It's so corrupt that modern western civilisation has virtually no chance of survival. You have to go back to the dark ages to find a situation like present. I think 15 million people died then in Europe. The Dark Ages were the result of similar corrupt Oligarchs running the show except the present circumstances are much worse. Europe will lose hundreds of millions of people this time. That's just Europe.
I don't think the US Corporation even really exists anymore. It's all globalised. The people have been collateralised as slaves for debts to some global entity like the UN or a subsidiary like the IMF just as that article says. The US military does not answer to Congress. It takes it's orders from the UN. That's a definite fact now which has been more or less admitted. The last countries that need taken out because they are not under the global banking control are exactly the ones being attacked. Russia is also a target. That's why Puppet Romney kept on about them. Russia is now undergoing military buildup. China I don't know about but should the US come down on the side of Israel it's probably goodbye to the US. Israel is probably done for no matter what. If you wanted to start world war III take your navy into the Straits of Hormuz as sitting ducks for Russia and Iran. Russia's rocket capability is beyond that of the US.
^^ A bridge to far for me, efflux. But I certainly understand the doubt in world leadership. But I don't (just my self) need the conspiracy stuff. America is 16 trillion dollars in debt and has nothing to show for it.
!6 trillion$ should have cured cancer, landed on mars, sheltered every citizen and given them the best education money can buy. If we are going to spend that kind of money I mean.
But we have none of those things. We don't even have good roads.
Thats all the proof I need that the government has failed. That democracy has failed. But I don't worry about it anymore. There is nothing anyone can do about it. So just sit back and enjoy the horror movie.
The FX will be outstanding!
http://youtu.be/g6FyilwyCzU
I'll check that video out.
I've added lots of comments about these particular issues on this forum. One major problem across the net, on TV etc is that there is lots of talk concerning certain parts of the problem. You have to see the overarching problem otherwise the talk gets nowhere. It is one of Oligarchical system versus the opposing system as more or less laid out in the US constitution. If you are in an Oligarchical system you have monetray policy designed to empoverish everyone with debt, including nation state governments. You have austery and wars. Eventually you get eugenics and mass genocide. The people are viewed as animals to be farmed and then slaughtered when they aren't producing what the Oligarchs want. Once you understand this principle you see why things work the way they do. Why our governments don't seem to be working for the good of the people. They aren't. They are working for Oligarchs whose only reason for existance is to preserve their own class as the ruling class by keeping everyone else down.