Hey all,
Im not sure if anyones already found this out, But if You render a birds eye view of your land where the water will be (without it being there), then Add a Default Shader and use it as the input to the water shader for say a lake you used, Then use the render you made for transparency, you should get a nice effect with it (im still rendering my version) Also if you Change The Reflection and relfection tint to a lgiht blue, this makes it look extremly realistic
Now that sounds like an interesting work around. Would you post the shot when finished rendered and maybe give a bit more detail about how you did that again maybe when you do and after you make any tweaks you think you may have to do? Sounds like a great idea and work around though. Have to put it on my to-do list. ;D
DT
Well, I Havent Completed the Full Render, But Here is a nice Example Render For You All:
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2407/transulencyrender1qq5.png)
If you want the TGD File ask and i'll upload it
Quote from: zionner on July 02, 2007, 10:54:12 AM
Well, I Havent Completed the Full Render, But Here is a nice Example Render For You All:
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2407/transulencyrender1qq5.png)
If you want the TGD File ask and i'll upload it
Doesnt really look transparent?
I agree. That isn't transparent.
It Still Needs Work, But theres what i meant by transparency in that picture, is that the water looks transparent, but also looks somewhat dirty..so the water looks like you could see at the bottom of the lake, but you cant because of the amount of dirt ect there is in it, If you get what i mean
I understand. You have found a way to make dirty lake water, which might be useful. It beats plain blue.
Would you still mind sharing the TGD?
so more of a way to kind of fake SSS?
Thanks, I knew I wouldnt be able to get a proper transparent without the Shader included..But its a start..i only started looking at it today
Heres the TGD File:
Thanks. I'll try it.
Quote from: zionner on July 02, 2007, 05:15:42 PM
Thanks, I knew I wouldnt be able to get a proper transparent without the Shader included..But its a start..i only started looking at it today
Heres the TGD File:
What you might also want to do..is to render a plan Ground (what you get at the start when you start a new project) And take a birds-eye picture of it
Well..Heres a 800x600 1 Detail Picture of nothing but that water ^^ sunlight and clouds:
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8725/transulencyrender3su7.png)
Tell me what you think!
Oooh, very fancy! Great job! I love what you did with this! I'm definitely going to have to give that .tgd a good, hard look :).
Really good, Zionner. I'm grateful you shared the file and plan to make use of it.
Beautiful picture.
Thanks all :)
Would anyone like me to post a clip file instead (to save having to have the forest ect in that TGD file)
Maybe if you could post a .tgd file of the image directly above it would be better - that way we can fiddle with settings and use the picture here as the control for our experiments.
ok..well..Heres the TGD file for that last render..
Hay all,
Wow Zionner you did a very good job with that file and tweaking on that water, yes you did /smiles.....Looks really good. I as well grabbed the file to see if I could get something out of it and share something. After I downloaded it I looked at it, but it really didn't seem transparent to me so I started messing with it more.
I really do not like the way you have no way to add things to the Lake block as it actually has very few parameters to play with, unlike tg v09 does with water.
One of the things I have not done much of is mess with just the nodes so I started playing with those trying to get things I wanted in the water block to try and effect it more by using the nodes since I could not in the water area persay, so I started doing all kinds of stuff.
Well I came up with a file that does have transparency, but not as much as I had wanted and yes, somehow I lost the light color from your original file, but I did come up with something interesting and will post the tgd2 file you you all want to tear it apart and maybe get farther then I did? It needs tweaking still as I also used a land mass as waves as I kind of got carried away with the water in general, but tell me what you think? At least it does have some transparency to it at the water line of the rocks, and yes I tweaked the terrain file a bit as well /smiles....
(http://www.theatomizer.com/Downloads/RockIsland.jpg)
Will post the tgd2 file and the one water graphic texture I used if you guys want.
DT
OOh should have just given the files /smiles as well.
Water texture is at:
http://www.theatomizer.com/Downloads/Gwater15.png (http://www.theatomizer.com/Downloads/Gwater15.png)
and the tgd file is at: http://www.theatomizer.com/Downloads/TheRock.tgd (http://www.theatomizer.com/Downloads/TheRock.tgd)
hope that helps, if you get it better then please post it back /smiles..... hahahaha.
I would love to see really nice transparent water more then what I got here at any rate and I was sad I lost that lighter water color, not sure where I got turned around there, but maybe you guys can get it a bit farther?
Edit: how do you guys attach your tgd files? I couldn't figure that out, and am feeling a bit dumb here.
DT
Wow..That Looks Great..Im Just Looking Through that file to see what you added, and what i Can do to it.
Also, thanks for the comments :D
Nice Work!
OK..Quick Update...I'm Starting To get Exceited by this update I've Added To DeathTwisters File...This stuff Really Starting to get along..Right now Im rendering a Small, But Full Detail Version for you Lot so you can see what Im coming out with.
P.S this is accually the first time i've had to sit down and think on how improvements can be made, Well Done.
Hay guys, Zionner,
QuoteOK..Quick Update...I'm Starting To get Exceited by this update I've Added To DeathTwisters File...This stuff Really Starting to get along..Right now Im rendering a Small, But Full Detail Version for you Lot so you can see what Im coming out with.
P.S this is accually the first time i've had to sit down and think on how improvements can be made, Well Done.
I am glad I can help in any small way, as I as well am very excited about figuring this all out. Can't wait to see what you come up with from my posting. Please post back as I have more ideas but will wait until you post yours to see where you went. I know I learned something new about nodes doing this also so I am sure I made a mess there, but I was hoping there was something good in there you all could use. COOL COOL ;D
DT
Mines wont be done for a while as Its a Full Detail One..So Idea away!
Ya I hear ya,
That last render took about 12 hours to render with my p4 3.2 mgz duel core CPU, and 2 gigs ram, so I understand ;) I am off on a bike ride till later today, and then have to study node placements on characters in the TGE/TGEA engines so I can get all the multiple meshes in and get the naming conventions for my programmer worked out so I do not give him a mess to deal with on body parts. He is so neat and tidy you see, unlike me /chuckles......Set up for the select a char screens and so on, kinda a work day. So will not get back to this until Tomorrow at least, but I sure am looking forward to getting back on this and seeing what you came up with 8), this is fun time for me, lololol. KK Out the door, gotta ride...
DT
Not to sink any brainstorming, but I've posted this in the File section - http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=1775.0 and think it could be somehow combined with what you're both doing. Having zionner's coloring of the water and adding what DeathTwister is doing could result in quite an interesting package.
DeathTwister, IMO you haven't made transparent water but reflective water,sorry. But i like where this is going to,having transparent water would rule :D
OK here it is, It dosent look anything transparent, which im working on still..but heck...its great water!
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/223/21hours56minutes15seconuf2.png)
P.S this took 21 hours 56 minutes 15 seconds to render
P.S.S I'm Now rendering A Version with my Colour Ajustments (you forgot to connect a few Nodes together :p )
Hay guys,
Ya, I think it is a little transparent, but the lighting being better wouldn't help and that is the clouds. I see Zionner found the waves /giggles, ya ya fun fun huh? great work. I have an idea after thinking about the nodes more I am going to try that may give us some transparency, but not sure, I do think I have it a very little bit and not reflection as I know what the terrain looks like below, and it is different, but you also may be right, but at least we have a bit better ocean water going to add to it at the least, and working on color and trans, later today I hope after I log off for the day. Great effect we getting at least, but I do think there is a way to use the nodes to attack transparency to the water and maybe a color shader as well. Have not seen any toots on that though so I am shooting blanks in the dark, but I had a dream last night about it, so I will try something I have in mind later then /smiles that dreamt. Errr, Arrgg and all that /winks.
Now this is an Interesting render, It looks more like a cartoon up front, but at the back looks realistic, like theres deep and shallow waters:
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8255/transulencyrender4mq2.png)
I agree, the background does look pretty good.
Zionner,the water at the bottom right looks fantastic as shallow water!! Tell us your secret? :P
Here's what I would think is a closer realization of transparent water - http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=1789.0
Brother Calico, Wow thanks, have posted to see if he will talk about how he has done that, OMG that is exactly what I have been looking for myself. Your the dude /smiles.....Now if he will only share how he did that.......We can figure the Shadow bug hes trying to get ride of next, I'll take it /winks.
DT
Calico,
I thought the same.
It is funny that some simple foam on quite water (which is needed for transparency) and good reflection can do this illusion.
An itching sensation draws me to try water - but I'll wait ;D
@DeathTwister - Let's ask and see what happens. Of course, we can wait for an update, be it the next one or the next or...well, you know. If he/she doesn't share anything, maybe we can do something by searching for the person who faked it awhile back.
@Volker Harun - For transparency, I think I'll wait. Yet, I know someone shared somewhere on here how to cheat a transparency effect that looked pretty good. I kept the file somewhere, if you're interested.
I'm working on some ocean water effects. I hope to post these results sometime soon.
Unfortunately Volker is absolutely correct when he said that my image (attached below) did not have transparent water at all. Just a bit of a fake in adding variable colours to the water.
I first realized that it really wasn't entirely necessary to have true transparency for what I was looking for, as long as the water looked like it had some variation underneath. I first had the idea when I was out hiking a couple weeks back and took some photos of a beautiful clear lake (examples attached). It doesn't really matter about the lake floor as long as the water is clear then you can add detail to the water layer and the reflection will take care of the rest.
(http://www.archer-designs.com/photos/june-2007/content/bin/images/large/20070602_DSC_0119.jpg)
(http://www.archer-designs.com/photos/june-2007/content/bin/images/large/20070602_DSC_0014_2.jpg)
(http://www.archer-designs.com/photos/june-2007/content/bin/images/large/20070602_DSC_0019_2.jpg)
The water in this image is just the default lake object with default settings. Then I added a default shader with a power fractal and adjusted the colours. We will have to wait and see how the entire panorama turns out before I decide whether I am happy with the effect or not.
More photos of the lakes are here if they will encourage inspiration:
http://www.archer-designs.com/photos/june-2007/index.html (http://www.archer-designs.com/photos/june-2007/index.html)
I hope this helps.
Hay guys,
QuoteVolker Harun - For transparency, I think I'll wait. Yet, I know someone shared somewhere on here how to cheat a transparency effect that looked pretty good. I kept the file somewhere, if you're interested.
Please would you share that file with us? We sure would like to see it and take it apart. I keep thinking the secret is in the nodes somehow though to get what we want, and I am also interested to see how you applied the other shaders to the Water block/Lake.
RArcher Wow that is so awesome, even if it is fake (Haha) I sure would like to see the file and or the link where you dung that up? also your photos are awesome dude, very well done and great examples of what we want in the end. But I also want to have waves with transparency like in tropical water if I can. and yes it sure would be nice to know if they are addressing this issue or not in the next update. I sure hope they do or at least add a real fake transparent Shader for us????? That would be fun as then we can add other terrains and make them transparent like Crystals coming out of mountains and other ideas I have in mind. But I am sure the rendering engine will be one of the main updates we see next, or so I hear anyway. Maybe help if I bought the full version, but I am kinda broke atm.
DT
He probably hasn't posted a clip because there's nothing really that fancy about it. All you need is a set of surface shaders to provide the colour of the surface below the water and feed it into the water shader input.
To keep it looking "real" the waves have to be relatively small in the image. On rougher water it will look fake.
Thanks For that :)
Edit: Hmm..I still dont get how you can get effects like that ^^ using this method
Skillful surfacing ;)
Try creating the subsurface texture without the water first so that you can see what you're doing without the reflections.
Thanks for the Tip :p
This is my First Successful Transparent Water Picture: (there are some lighting problems..I know):
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9606/transulencyrender15hrs3xm2.png)
OOh very very nice,
You getting there yes siree /smiles, Would you post that tgd file and the tgc files as well please so we can take a look at it? that sure would be sweet. I have not had the time I have wanted to work on this yet as been a very long week and weekend. By the way, your terrain is very nice as well, but we are not looking at terrains ATM, hahaha, but thought someone should say Hay nice going and work on all of it /winks.
Nice water, it looks quite natural.
Thanks, Heres the TGD File
Ok..Here is My Transulent and reflection test..This has No land in it...But took 11 hrs 40 mins 48 seconds, and i personally think it looks great, but tell me what you think:
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7499/transulencyrender211hrsbu9.png)
Wow Totally awesome my friend, wow very well done and figured out. /slaps Zionner on the back. I have not had the time so far to play with the tgd file you posted. I hope to play more today with it. Wow you did more then good /smiles. I will share back here real soon.
DT
Thanks, Its good to know you like it....As of what Im Planning to do next im not sure, but if you want it heres the TGD File for that one there ^^