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Title: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 05, 2014, 11:30:07 AM
All foliage modeled in Speedtree.  Mitchell-Netravali pixel filter, rendered at detail 1, AA - 12, OC .8. Here in Northern California a historic drought is unfolding; rivers have run dry and groundwater reserves are just about tapped. Too large a population, too many giant agri-corporations planting the wrong crops in the wrong locations, an environmental disaster in the making...

Comments and critiques are welcomed.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: yossam on September 05, 2014, 11:41:37 AM
Hope you get some relief soon...........if I could I would gladly send some of our rain your way. All it's done for the last six weeks. Great pic........... :)


Which version of Speedtree do you use? Been looking at it.............. ::)
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: cyphyr on September 05, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
Beautiful, moody and great attention to detail, no real crits, well ok then, maybe introduce some variation in the leaves tone from red to gold. Love the dried sticks :)
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Lady of the Lake on September 05, 2014, 12:37:47 PM
Great image.   I love all the dead sticks also.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 05, 2014, 12:58:09 PM
Thanks Yossam, appreciate your offer to send rain... I'm using  Speedtree Studio 7, I started with ST Architect then upgraded to Studio. The upgrade was only the difference in the retail pricing between the two. Studio offers the ability to hand draw trunks and branches, and quad poly output. Virtually everything I've done so far is within the capability of the Architect version, still looking to utilize Studio's additional features. Be nice if TG offered FBX, or even MDD file support  to take advantage of the wind animation in ST, perhaps someday. I'm also messing with The Plant Factory demo, I suspect that TPF is capable of creating more exact foliage models, but so far it's more technical and hard to generate any sense of 'artistic flow' in the work process: a much steeper learning curve as well IMO.

Cyphr: Thanks! The Oak is my newest tree and I probably should have mixed in some other tree species to broaden the image palette, There are two leaf textures on the Oaks; one golden and the other a mix of green and gold (sorta of a progression look).  I tried some samples with the mix favoring the green/gold, but it kinda crept away from my concept of the image. BTW, the god-rays were inspired by your splendid skies!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: choronr on September 05, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Your plant work and details are superb. This is a fine composition.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: cyphyr on September 05, 2014, 02:21:24 PM
I'm sure you know this but for everybody else ... if you separate out the leaf model from the trunk/branches model and do two identical populations you can tint the leaves via the Colour node in the population tab. Mix a low scale red/yellow power fractal (tree scale) with a large scale power fractal (forest scale) and you will have variation right across the whole population.
(Note if you don't separate out the leaves from the branches/trunk the tint will cover both).

Oh and thank you  ;D
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 05, 2014, 02:34:35 PM
Cyphyr: I'm aware of that  technique, and used it on the grasses and some of the tree trunks. My mixing of the leaf colors was from PS and the ability to mix the leaf populations and textures directly in Speedtree. Lot's more control at the tree building level; leaf pruning, leaf orientation (by leaf type population), etc. Also, the 'sticks' are supposed to be root structures. I'll post up another image with that area enlarged. My first attempt to show the kind of underlying tangle of roots that comprise the gully washed surfaces in dry places. I hope to create some 'debris' populations of twigs and misc. items you'd find in areas like that. Fun stuff to play with.

Bob: Gracias Mi Amigo!

Lila: Thanks for the kind words!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Kadri on September 05, 2014, 03:10:44 PM

Nice image.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: masonspappy on September 05, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
Nice Modeling and great atmospherics
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 05, 2014, 08:34:18 PM
Thanks Kadri and Masonspappy!

This is a close up of the gully section with the root structures. A WIP for sure for the model, but moving in the direction of what I'd like to show. The complexity and variety in Nature seems endlessly recursive, fun too.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: choronr on September 05, 2014, 08:44:35 PM
I really enjoy your work, the details are so interesting. The light and point of view makes me feel I want to go hiking ...very good.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Dune on September 06, 2014, 02:54:17 AM
Extraordinary render, Doug. A lot of work has gone into it and you can see it. I love the subtlety of it all. Downloaded it to my screensaver favorites folder.

There's one minor thing (I hardly dare say it); the ground is quite 'flat' here and there. You can see it centre below in the crop you posted. On the whole it is of no importance, but for really large renders a tiny fractal or some small fake stone might break that flatness, and make it from 'rock' into soil.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: mhaze on September 06, 2014, 05:05:05 AM
Beautiful and moody piece.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 06, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
Thanks Mick!

Wow! Thanks again Bob!

Dune: yeah. I saw that as well, especially close up (damn, zooming in really makes you honest!). I have 4 populations of stones, but need to tweak their proportions and coverage, maybe add another. Also, this is a World Machine heightfield and I have the displacement set very low so perhaps some tweaking there as well. I'll push on a little further with this image to see if it can be better viewed up close. I'm very (very) pleased by your comments - thank you!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: archonforest on September 07, 2014, 04:14:00 AM
One word: Stunning! ;)
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: DannyG on September 07, 2014, 06:14:24 PM
Top-shelf work
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: bobbystahr on September 07, 2014, 08:42:38 PM
 :) nuff said...
Title: Re: A promise of rain_new render
Post by: zaxxon on September 08, 2014, 12:10:00 PM
Some tweaking: revised stone shaders and added 2 additional populations, lessened the density of the leafs in the central tree. Probably done for this POV, Thanks again for the wonderful comments!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: choronr on September 08, 2014, 12:21:42 PM
Continuous to get better and better.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Dune on September 08, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
STUNNING!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 08, 2014, 12:37:24 PM
Thank You!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: bobbystahr on September 08, 2014, 03:25:12 PM
a STUNNING from Dune is sayin' something I agree with.....
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: TheBadger on September 08, 2014, 08:07:19 PM
Man, I really like a lot of whats going on here. Some of those trees really have a lot of flavor to em. Good comp in the 2nd and 3rd too. feels like a western scene?
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Hannes on September 09, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
A beautiful lighting! Well done!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: masonspappy on September 09, 2014, 07:02:59 PM
Now I'm just plain envious
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 11, 2014, 10:29:39 AM
This is a re-render of the second image in this posting. The Oak leaves have been 'thinned' and spec and bump maps added, and the rock field reworked with 2 added stone pops (6 total). It's really a benefit to be able to modify the foliage quickly in ST and then substitute them back into the TG scene, almost like an extension of TG's toolset.

This has a been a time-consuming scene to cobble together, and to have the the images welcomed with such fine comments is certainly a much appreciated reward. Thanks again!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: N810 on September 11, 2014, 11:02:26 AM
Looks like the bark texture on the oak trees might be missing..?
They look realy black.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: choronr on September 11, 2014, 12:39:02 PM
You've put the icing on the cake. This update appears just a bit brighter which is very good. The stones additions has improved the foreground nicely ...good job!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: bobbystahr on September 11, 2014, 03:36:26 PM
Whew...guess ST  just jumped onto my wishlist....
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Dune on September 12, 2014, 02:38:13 AM
A really fine piece of work! You can also thin leaves in TG, by using a PF + transform shader into the opacity input. Interesting for leave fall on slopes; higher up less leaves (or different colors), a lot of possibilities.
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Oshyan on September 12, 2014, 04:18:50 AM
Beautiful scene! I always love seeing your ST vegetation work. I do hope we can add better support for animated model formats in the future, FBX and/or Alembic. I would be absolutely thrilled to see these moving realistically in the wind!

- Oshyan
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: zaxxon on September 13, 2014, 12:04:02 AM
Hey N810, you're right. The bark textures were missing from several trees.  How I didn't notice serves to show yet another cognitive disorder on my part... Thanks. Had to dig to find an answer as the set-up appeared to be ok: something to do with my byzantine file mangement mostly. Here's a re-render.

Thanks Oshyan, I always appreciate your comments.  I am truly looking forward to TG's continued evolution in the FBX/Alembic area, be great include so many varied effects into TG!

Dune: Nice tip, and thanks again!
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: N810 on September 15, 2014, 09:16:36 AM
Now it looks perfect.  8)
Title: Re: A promise of rain
Post by: Cocateho on September 15, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
Very moody, and even has a little bit of back story, whats not to like?  ;D I really like those scrubby trees, one thing I dislike about many plant models I find is the all look like they've been grown in a park.