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Title: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 22, 2015, 03:54:41 AM
My first "own" mountain.
I found a heightmap of the "Matterhorn" on a gamer-website for game-maps.
I buyed the Softer Voronoi Cracks by mhaze on ndwa because I have read many posts about square rocks and cracks - and after many hours of reading I just understood - nothing  ;D

Plants by xfrog

When my fastest i7 is free again I will go on working on it again, but I hope you like my first try making a mountain.

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Some plannned modifications:
- a different grass/reed on the shore
- some more flowers
- a few more boulders
- some groups of conifers
- try some more sun and light settings
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: kaedorg on July 22, 2015, 04:13:08 AM
Very nice for a first mountain scene.

I would suggest to add a 2nd sunlight behind the camera (cast shadows unchecked) and strenght reduced (just enough to see more of the foreground)

David
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 22, 2015, 04:21:24 AM
Thanks David  :)
i thought about something similar with the light... I see it as a personal challenge to avoid a second sun but let's see what some variations of heading and position of the first sun can do.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: archonforest on July 22, 2015, 04:57:04 AM
Great start. Looking forward where u will go with it  :)
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Stranded on July 22, 2015, 10:24:51 AM
Looks great, really great! I agree that some more light is needed in the foreground to allow us to enjoy the detail. I can only aspire to such quality. Very nice!
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: archonforest on July 22, 2015, 10:29:09 AM
Is that heightmap is free to take? I am looking this MT since a while... :)
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Oshyan on July 23, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
If you want realism, try to avoid "second sun" techniques. They're effective, but make things look a bit fake often times. You can try increasing Enviro Light Strength on Surfaces instead.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 24, 2015, 01:28:46 AM
 ;D cool! I knew you would say this Oshyan  ;)
.. and I agree...
.. and I did my best...
WITHOUT second sun:

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archonforest, you can find the map here:
http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/10027 (http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/10027)
I don't know who is the creator but I have contacted someone there to get permission for the usage of that map.

I guess you can do more impressive things than me. I just need the view in the image above for another animation  ;)
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Oshyan on July 24, 2015, 03:22:15 PM
Much better! Nice composition. This is something I would want to take a photo of in real life.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Cocateho on July 24, 2015, 03:49:39 PM
Looks Awesome! Love the sun coming through the tree, that's a nice touch. Needs more atmosphere samples though, and the bark of the tree on the front left looks a bit flat.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: bobbystahr on July 25, 2015, 02:58:51 AM
Purty damn good for a first mountain scene. Everything is nicely scaled and as Oshyan said nice composition. well done.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Dune on July 25, 2015, 03:04:04 AM
Very nice. But.... (it's me again), I would replace the reeds on the left, they are a bit strange, don't give a clue about the shape of the shore. IMHO it's better to keep the shore rocky with a few tufts of veggie/shrub/grass, or a gravel beach, not a 'blur' of this reed, too indistinct.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 25, 2015, 06:03:02 AM
Thanks guys  :)

You again, Ulco? - never mind - nice to get some good suggestions  ;)
Today I have a photo opportunity with a wedding couple so again no time for unpacking the new PC. When I have more time I will fiddle on the picture a bit.

I do not 100% agree about the reed, but I alread saw that it's too much and I will reduce the covered area. I really want it there but it should not cover all the ground up to the house and along the slope. Some shrubbs are already planned as well. Let's see how some variations of the scene look like.

I showed the mage to a colleague - he told my it looks like a painting of Bob Ross. (I hope that can be seen as a compliment  ;) ) So we did a small experiment, I want to share. ...not really to be taken seriously but quite nice  ;)

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Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 29, 2015, 07:27:14 PM
Some days work and some new ideas...
New "older" fence, some work on the bark of the tree in the front.
And I found a compromise to keep some reed and do the shore on the left rocky.

I forgot last time:
All plants from Xfrog, forground duck from Turbosquid, second duck from archive3D.net and buildings (house, fence, observatory and transmission tower from TF3DM.

At the moment already doing experiments for some animation ideas  ;)

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Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Dune on July 30, 2015, 02:22:07 AM
WAY better, very cool scene now, Nils!
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Kadri on July 30, 2015, 02:42:33 AM

Looks much better Doc.
Still i would try the sun in different positions.
I feel as there is not enough contrast-shadow in the image.Subjective of course.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: masonspappy on July 31, 2015, 01:23:21 AM
Last image turned out quite well!
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 31, 2015, 03:21:14 AM
I wanted to pick this until '2020' as a surprise but I have a little concerns about the copyright.
...though I designed all as easily recognizable homage and parody...
If I start animating this now and I get trouble with a very special film studio I would cry!

What do you say - is it too dangerous to follow up this idea (especially planetside staff - I think you could have experinces with Paramount studios) ??? -- I heard that copyright violation is punished more severely than murder  :o

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Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Kadri on July 31, 2015, 03:29:35 AM

Just in case that you have not seen this thread :)

http://www.planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,13692.0.html

Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 31, 2015, 04:02:57 AM
Thanks Kadri - until now I only knew the info from the planetside-homepage.
Nice "making of"!

Unfortunately not so helpful for legal aspects.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Kadri on July 31, 2015, 04:17:53 AM

Parody isn't a problem in USA so far i know.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: AP on July 31, 2015, 04:31:02 AM
Unless it is a one hundred percent exact duplication, i would not worry about it. I do not think anyone has ownership of a mountain peak, the name paraduck let alone a ring of ducks.    ;D
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on July 31, 2015, 04:39:13 AM
That makes me hopeful  ;D

And THAT really gives me the security that no one will claim the name:
http://definithing.com/paraduck/ (http://definithing.com/paraduck/)   ;D

Thinking about it, I perhaps better change the name - I don't really like the sense...  :o
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: mhaze on July 31, 2015, 05:21:41 AM
Just seen this! excellent pic!
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Oshyan on July 31, 2015, 05:35:28 PM
Parody actually has some legal protection in the US, so I think you're probably safe. I'm not sure about the local laws of your country though.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: archonforest on August 01, 2015, 11:14:30 AM
Hilarious! 8)
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: kaedorg on August 01, 2015, 11:28:25 AM
You also may have some problems with the sex toy industry.  ;D

David
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 01, 2015, 02:15:25 PM
 ;D I did not really think about flying sextoys  ;D

But whatever they are - The coreografie of 12 ducks is outrageously hard...
Moving the ducks to respond to instruction is like herding children  ;)

But I think I will get an acceptable animation finally.
even the ducks in the lake will move their heads (theoretically I'd even hammer out a wagging tail - but I think that's too much and will not be recognized anyway)

Here is a test frame (frame 133 of 600 - I must do some samples and also render a test animation with only 500x250 pix)

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Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Dune on August 02, 2015, 02:46:37 AM
You're an extraordinary guy! I really like the stuff you're doing.
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: AP on August 02, 2015, 04:04:44 AM
This should be interesting.    8)
Title: Re: My first mountain scene
Post by: Matt on August 05, 2015, 08:38:37 PM
Haha :) Keep going!

Matt