It seems the "modify"-button has vanished in my own posts. Is it only me, or do others have the same problem?
Now it's there. But only in this thread. In other threads it's gone (or is this normal?... :-[)
Lately a user deleted all his posts.
Oshyan said that there was a time depending editing feature that wasn't active.
Maybe it is active now or it is because of the new server merger i don't know.
Looks like i can not modify my own posts too that are older then 2 days or so Hannes.
Maybe one of the staff members can enlighten us?
Gone! Help!
Ah, now it's back again. Seems like only postst with attachmenst can be modified. Then again, this one hadn't at first. Mmmmmm.....
No, my (older) posts with attachments can't be edited as well. Maybe some server migration issue?
I am never very happy when my freedoms are curtailed, and the reason for it is that someone else behaved in a way that was not desirable.
This kind of attitude (taking away privileges/rights/freedoms) because of a few, Is way too FUCKING prevalent in people these days. I don't respect it. It makes me madder than the original bad Behavior.
Michael i understand you.But i have seen it in other forums too.
Some guys does say some things and the others answers.
When you haven't quoted him you can look very strange and the forum suffers from these kind of problems.
I have probably not changed anything from my own posts except 1-2 posts probably in all these years (when i do it is for grammar changes and for clarity only). And believe me there are so stupid ones, i should have deleted them all. They are too much to change anyway :D
Seriously i don't like it but i would certainly use this restriction too if i had a forum.
And maybe it is only because of the server change?
I tried to edit my older posts to update the subject mentioning a final result. I hope it's only some server issue. Of course it's annoying if someone misuses this function, but how often does this happen here?
Quote from: Hannes on July 30, 2015, 07:36:01 AM
I tried to edit my older posts to update the subject mentioning a final result. I hope it's only some server issue. Of course it's annoying if someone misuses this function, but how often does this happen here?
I have seen it here at least 3 times with massive results in the last 5 years. And those where only the all post deleters.
Anyway i see this more like the traffic lamps. They restrict you but until a different usable method i would still want them.
How does one delete all his posts? I always wanted to know that. Is there any hidden "delete all my bloody posts"-button or do you have to delete them one by one? Tedious!!
Yeah i wonder too :)
Quote from: Kadri on July 30, 2015, 07:06:46 AM
Michael i understand you.But i have seen it in other forums too.
Some guys does say some things and the others answers.
When you haven't quoted him you can look very strange and the forum suffers from these kind of problems.
I have probably not changed anything from my own posts except 1-2 posts probably in all these years (when i do it is for grammar changes and for clarity only). And believe me there are so stupid ones, i should have deleted them all. They are too much to change anyway :D
Seriously i don't like it but i would certainly use this restriction too if i had a forum.
And maybe it is only because of the server change?
In this case I understand you and agree 100%. Even so, I would be 100% against it. In the end it will only hurt our own ability to make our posting better and more useful. And then
their there is the question of who owns the content of our posts. This is not a "publisher". We have no agreement or pay for the time we spend adding content here. So who owns it?
QuoteAnd maybe it is only because of the server change?
Yes, but at least this topic is as interesting (potentially) as any political discussion we have had, but is also directly related to us as a community. And of course you know that Oshyan and others have broached this topic many times in the past.
And again, I actually understand and even agree 100% with the complaints as being both legit and meaningful and accurate.
But people really need to start drawing a line on this stuff. The only solution anyone has about any problem anywhere in the world anymore, is to take away freedoms and privileges, and I am just sick to death from it.
I edit my posts a lot. Almost always I am adding to the content. I do it in one post, so that post will make better sense, or have the info more in one place rather than all over a thread. Most contributors here do.
Why should a few make us change?
Anyway, its not my house, I just visit. But I don't like the idea of the thing.
Like you I have wanted to delete, I am sure most everyone has. But we don't. The system works the way it is. A much bigger problem is people posting questions, and not posting if the solution they found works. SO there are hundreds of threads with questions and no final resolution... This is much more problematic to the quality of content here, than one or two people quitting and taking all of their stuff with them.
Anyway, in and of its self it does not upset me too much. But in the greater context of how the world behaves now, it really really pisses me off as an idea/way of going.
;D Here in ends todays badger rant. I would like to thank you all for flying LSD air, and remind you to check the overheads before departure.
*See I just edited. There, their, they're, to, too, two... I mis type things like this constantly even though I completely understand the right way. But it drives me nuts when I see that I did it. So I edit it even in old post when I see it. LOL I know its a little compulsive. But Its really annoying to me. Funny though, it does not bother me at all when some one else makes the same mistake.
Oooh I just edited again to add a *, for not really any reason at all. but its my post and I wanted to, so i did.... This can go on like this forever, but I just got board with it so Ill stop now ;D
LOL! Not much to say.
If it gets you feel better it protects us against stupid history alterings...at least at a forum scale.
But we have to trust Oshyan and Matt, can we? :D
Edit: No i won't post a stupid thing from my side because i saw that you edited your above post :)
Quote from: Kadri on July 30, 2015, 08:01:19 AM
LOL! Not much to say.
If it gets you feel better it protects us against stupid history alterings...at least at a forum scale.
But we have to trust Oshyan and Matt, can we? :D
Trust them to what?
"stupid history alterings...at least at a forum scale"
Now i want to delete my post Michael :D
HA HA HA HA, yeah me too! ;D
:D
Wow, I had no idea people were so fiercely attached to editing their old posts. Well, I *did* make it so that after a certain period of time you could no longer edit posts. And it *was* because of the recent incident of a user going through and manually erasing all their posts. This was not the only time this has happened, in fact dandelO did a similar thing long ago! Thankfully we have him back. :D
If people absolutely need that capability for good reasons, we can talk about how to make it work best. But I think you guys need to think about the context in which you are posting here. This is a *public forum*. Once you post something, it "belongs to the internet" in effect. Google may cache it and make it available after you make changes or delete it. Other posters may quote what you said, in whole or in part, and you can't modify or delete *their quote of you*. People may copy what you've written or otherwise posted and re-post or mirror it elsewhere. Archive.org may even archive it *forever*, openly, for all to see.
So you should not, in my opinion, expect - much less rely on - the ability to delete or remove your posts long after making them in a public place. I realize this is somewhat counter to some ideas and legislation in the EU and if we're required to comply with that at some point we will. But generally speaking I think it's just common sense that anything you share here - or in any public venue - is not necessarily "in your control" anymore.
If you *want* it to be in your control and allowing that capability is not more problematic than it's worth, then fair enough. But when a user deletes everything they've ever said, it doesn't just affect them, it affects every thread they participated in, every response to anything they said. It removes context and reduces clarity. And for what? Because somehow, things that were once said (perhaps long ago), are no longer palatable to the person? They want to erase any evidence that they ever even participated somewhere? Is that their *right*? Maybe. But I'm definitely not convinced yet.
To address more specifically the (few, I think) common reasons why people do this, yes I understand the ability to edit *thread titles/subjects* is useful. However there may be other ways around that which we can consider. If it is often enough needed, then it may be justification for having unlimited edit time, but again I'm not yet convinced. Other than that reason, I don't know of any compelling ones that require *unlimited* edit time. The ability to go back and edit old posts has, in my view, little value. Editing an old post instead of posting a new reply is usually either confusing (replies below the top post no longer make sense in many cases, because they were replying to the original content), or can even sometimes be downright *deceptive* (think of someone editing their words after the fact, when someone claims they were being offensive or doing something unfair; they can then claim they didn't, just a simple example).
If there are other important and valuable reasons that I'm overlooking please let me know. Again this subject is not closed, we're open to discussion on it. Just keep in mind that this is a public space and expecting to have control of what you write here - or anywhere but your own site on the Internet - is probably a lost cause. That doesn't mean we don't want to give reasonable rights and capabilities to users here. It's just something to remember as you participate in online discussions, etc.
Oh, last thing: if it ends up being difficult to find common ground on this, one possibility is a special member group that has unlimited edit permissions on their posts. Then people who really need the capability for legitimate reasons can use it, and it doesn't have to affect everyone else.
- Oshyan
A reasonable time for editing is enough to me Oshyan. Some forums editing times are too restricted like 1-2 hours (not sure).
Yes, the current setting is a fairly lengthy 2.5 days (3600 minutes), which seemed like a good compromise.
- Oshyan
Yes.I make my small corrections mostly in that time frame.Works for me.
A few days max is good enough for me too, yes. I'll choose my words more carefully from now on 8)
I can live with that. I truly understand the reasons why there is a time limit now, and it's not that necessary for me to edit my old posts. Updating the subject is the only reason to do this after the mentioned time frame.
I think we should be able to edit other people's posts >:( ;D ;) ::)
8)
Martin instead of lurking around with your head come and delete...post some new things ;D
QuoteYes, the current setting is a fairly lengthy 2.5 days (3600 minutes)
Grudgingly, I find that reasonable, mostly.
;D
I edited. I may edit this post 40 times in the next two day on principal. Probably not though.
Thanks guys, I'm glad we seem to have a compromise. If this does really end up seeming restrictive to anyone in the future you're welcome to raise the issue again or contact me directly. Also if you do need a thread topic changed a long time after-the-fact, just private message me and I'll take care of it.
- Oshyan