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Title: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on November 29, 2015, 03:36:30 AM
This will be my X-mas card, I think. Perhaps some changes, I don't know yet. Any ideas?
Thanks, Kevin for your new ice. It works pretty nice here, though I think I'll reduce the reflectivity a bit.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Kevin F on November 29, 2015, 04:10:27 AM
Nice one Dune, love the differing levels between ice and water. Works really well.
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Post by: Hannes on November 29, 2015, 04:13:12 AM
Amazing Ulco! Although that little bridge somehow looks a bit too modern in my eyes.
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Post by: archonforest on November 29, 2015, 05:04:24 AM
Great stuff as usual!
I cannot really see this for an xmas card though...the message of xmas isn't there. Picture is very cold, frozen but imho is not enough for xmas.
Hehe perhaps you should put Santa's chariot with the deers parking outside? That would be fun :D
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Post by: mhaze on November 29, 2015, 05:14:39 AM
Brilliant! love that tree very clever.
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Post by: AP on November 29, 2015, 05:43:57 AM
Maybe not for Christmas unless adding some green and red but that could be for another render perhaps. Overall, this does have a convincing sensation of winter and bitter cold. The scale and sense of real distance work quite well. The ice from Kevin looks good to.


Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Hannes on November 29, 2015, 06:16:13 AM
Quote from: Dune on November 29, 2015, 03:36:30 AM
...though I think I'll reduce the reflectivity a bit.

Really? I think it's perfect.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Kadri on November 29, 2015, 06:39:56 AM

Looks great Ulco.
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Post by: Antoine on November 29, 2015, 07:47:17 AM
This is great ! Could you do also an another rendering with a sunset atmosphere ?

David.
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Post by: j meyer on November 29, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Looking at the tree's snow cover I think there should be more snow
on top of the tower's fence and the beams maybe.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: masonspappy on November 29, 2015, 10:46:10 AM
Quote from: j meyer on November 29, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Looking at the tree's snow cover I think there should be more snow
on top of the tower's fence and the beams maybe.
Was thinking same thing.
Overall this is very, very well done.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on November 29, 2015, 11:26:45 AM
Thanks guys. This Roman guy just wiped all snow off the railings ;) (but I had thought of it and can easily add it). I know it's not really X-mas, but I just want something to send to potential customers. I did think of a X-mas tree and balls near that tower, though. And I was also working on a sunset version, but haven't got it yet. The contrast between the dark tower and snow was too much, and there were more difficulties (like the extreme luminance of Kevin's icy ridges, I have to tone that down for a darker scene).
Bridge is supposed to be a really Roman thing, it only looks rather new.
Here's a slightly modified version (warped the ice edge by fake stones for sharp/hard warping). And adjusted the edges of the snow on the fallen tree (by world scale breakup).
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: fleetwood on November 29, 2015, 11:47:45 AM
Looks good. Don't see any smoke. Maybe they aren't allowed to have a fire, or those Roman guys might be chopping up that tree for firewood very soon.
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Post by: zaxxon on November 29, 2015, 12:07:10 PM
It's a beautiful wintry scene, and to my mind can definitely serve as a "Christmas" image. The celebration of the return of the Sun was celebrated millenia before the Christians co-opted the Winter Solstice as The birthday of Jesus of Nazareth. That this is a Roman scene and further stands be a non-Christian "Bleak Mid Winter's" day.  The whole layout of the scene conveys a lot of movement in an otherwise flat landscape. The snow covered tree is especially well done, Beautiful!
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Tangled-Universe on November 29, 2015, 02:33:13 PM
That muddy ice is really good, fantastic work!
The clouds are a bit flatt'ish, but all surface related stuff looks great.
Not sure if this really has a Christmas sense to it, but I don't really mind :)
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: TheBadger on November 29, 2015, 07:36:14 PM
I really like the landscape. Only thing I don't like is the dead tree (just doesn't read as really part of the rest) and the tower does give a point of interest and everything, but kinda steals some of the glory from the terrain, a little, in a way.

The bridge works great for me though, pretty perfect regardless of what period its from.

About the christmas card thing... Curious what period of Roman history that tower represents? Not that it would bother me, but if it is from "Pagan" Rome, and it is for a christmas card, you may want to be sure of your metaphors.  ;) On the other hand, maybe you are exactly sure of what you want to say, and are saying it very smartly? Could go a lot of ways with it if one wanted to... Which does make the image much more interesting.

Heaven forbid an artist makes art. ;D
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on November 30, 2015, 02:53:20 AM
Thanks. First, the muddy ice is from Kevin's ice, and indeed it has a very nice color/texture. I'll have a look at the clouds, though I wanted to have these wintry soft clouds, I admit they are a bit 'simple'. The tower is one of a continuous row of watchtowers (every few hundred meters) the Romans put at the northern border of their empire, which happened to be along one of our main rivers around the years -100...200. In the distance there's a 'castellum' (fortress).
And no it actually has nothing to do with X-mas whatsoever, apart from the snow  ;)

Some tests at sundown...
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Post by: inkydigit on November 30, 2015, 01:07:28 PM
Top notch as ever Ulco!
:)
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Post by: j meyer on November 30, 2015, 01:26:15 PM
 8) Almost hear that guy mumbling and grumbling.
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Post by: TheBadger on November 30, 2015, 03:42:42 PM
Nice :)

QuoteAlmost hear that guy mumbling and grumbling.

LOL yeah. I think if we from today were all transplanted back in time to then, we would most of us, just drop dead.  ;D  :-\  I have no idea how to make my own shoes.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Antoine on December 01, 2015, 12:43:41 AM
The sunset version looks great too, excellent work !

David.
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Post by: AP on December 01, 2015, 12:55:04 AM
The lighting and the sun looks quite interesting. It seems more realistic then what i typically am used to seeing.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on December 01, 2015, 02:24:37 AM
Only, if getting this close, you see I made the watchtower for bigger distances. It needs a real roof, and even better beams of wood. And with a little more work I can take the snow off areas that are under the roof (simple shape mask, simple). Also some snow heaping against the fence is not too hard. This small 0.6+6 render (not even soft shadows) took 2 hours on an i7, quite long, probably due to the water/ice. If it's perfected, I'll leave it overnight.

Yes, these guys must have had a hard time. I don't even know if they were allowed to have a small fire... and no TG to play with in the long watch hours  :(
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on December 01, 2015, 02:41:42 AM
A really great landscape again, Ulco! :)

I like all of the images. Each one has it's own "personality". Cool to have the view from the tower.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: dorianvan on December 04, 2015, 10:36:16 PM
Wow! I hope Planetside gives you free software because your work is a great source of inspiration and advertisement. Also your forum help is fantastic. Thanks for all you do. You deserve the Planetside Award for excellence (if there was one)  ;) IMHO
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Post by: Dune on December 05, 2015, 02:50:05 AM
I am honored, Dorian, thanks.
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Post by: masonspappy on December 05, 2015, 02:50:54 AM
Wonderfull image Ulco!
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Post by: Lady of the Lake on December 05, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
I like the close up.  Somehow the scale of the log and the tower just don't jibe for me in the other.  That icy river is super.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on December 06, 2015, 02:02:41 AM
The tower is 2 large stories high, so maybe max 10m, so the log is slightly bigger. Not too big for a decent tree. But you may have a point (there were more complaints about the log  ;)), I might take it out for a possible final.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on December 07, 2015, 03:16:44 AM
I did some work on this again yesterday. Changed the tower roof, though I have to figure out if the tiles aren't a bit too large. I think they used pretty big tiles back then (60x25cm). Some small shrub are the wrong color, forgot to add 'real snow' to the branches.
I also changed Kevin's ice to a simpler version which reduced render time immensely. The small bumps and cracks in the ice made it hard to calculate.
Blue tint is PS, perhaps a bit too much.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: DocCharly65 on December 07, 2015, 04:13:57 AM
Ulco, I love this image! I also like the intensity of the colors.



And I know someone, who want's to speak with that gentleman on the tower:

http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-obelix/568730 (http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-obelix/568730)

;D ;) :)
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on December 07, 2015, 12:01:07 PM
 ;D ;D

Just adding a Christmas tree and some lights (luminous rock pop)  ;)
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on December 08, 2015, 03:00:45 AM
Done. I also had to put some cement in the holes under the lowest 'imbrix', as it was too hard (impossible) to have no TG snow there. No-post version, btw.
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: TheBadger on December 08, 2015, 03:04:15 AM
Very nice, Ulco. I zeroed in on the roof. I like that detail of the tiles. Had to make some my self so I know the work that goes into even such basic shapes.
Can add a lot of polygons to the total just from something like that.
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Post by: Hannes on December 08, 2015, 03:30:24 AM
That looks really cool, Ulco!
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Post by: mhaze on December 08, 2015, 04:10:38 AM
Superb and amusing.
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Post by: Flythru on December 08, 2015, 05:34:16 AM
Great shot, that water surface and landscape looks like it's a photo. Tower I think it need to be a bit taller even if you Photoshopped it to test out, but it could kill the aspect ratio/balance. Your work is stunning.
8)
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on December 08, 2015, 09:53:28 AM
Thanks guys. These towers should be around 8-10m, and this one is 10m to the top. But there are different kinds, and who knows exactly what they were like 2000 years ago?
Yeah, Michael, it was quite a job to put those jabs of mud/cement in those holes. They also had these ornamental end things, but that was probably too fancy for these watchtowers. Even the fillings in this one should probably not be there (who cares about a sparrow nesting there?), but I had to.
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Post by: Kadri on December 08, 2015, 11:23:28 AM

Nice renders Ulco :)
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Post by: j meyer on December 08, 2015, 12:28:17 PM
Nice.Like the colors in the blueish one.

The fillings are to be considered as the doors of the sparrows apartments. ;)
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Post by: TheBadger on December 08, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
I believe the ornamentals were called Antefix, from the greeks. But yes, I don't think it would have been right for this. It looks good the way you did it. Thanks for posting those pics too, very cool to see it. Lots of fun for you Ulco, hope you are Nerd enough to fall asleep giggling at your good fortune.  ;D  :P
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: majidkaviani on December 09, 2015, 12:10:37 AM
i like your skills :)
i think it's so soft and it will be better with some displace on main terrain
Title: Re: Wintry Roman scene
Post by: Dune on December 09, 2015, 01:38:12 AM
Thank you.
Antefix, yes, that's it. Some of them are really nice, with a lion on it. And yes, I take much pleasure from looking at the final renders, though there's always something to enhance (or complain about). Looking at this one, makes me giggle indeed. I wish some ad agency would commission me to do something REALLY FUNNY  ;D

Majid, you mean a hilly terrain? Unfortunately, Holland is kind of flat. Makes it a lot harder to make interesting terrains.
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Post by: Jo Kariboo on December 09, 2015, 09:21:30 AM
A well-made winter atmosphere. Great work again !