Hello, i understand this might sound like i'm bashing terragen/community, but i assure you these questions have no ill intentions.
Just curious.
1. Is there a forum / site that has a bit more going on than planetside forums ? I would love to read more about terragen and see what people come up with. One could say i'm a bit addicted.
2. After i purchased my Terragen 4, i received a mail that i would get the key in August when Terragen 4 releases.
Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't august just.. fly by ?
I have a feeling that there has been a notification of delay or something that i have missed. Could it be ?
Again, i don't mean to be negative towards the devs or anyone else. Love the product and will keep supporting it as long as i can.
I actually haven't even touched the TG4 Beta. Just want to wait for the full release.
1. This is the place to be! But it's very quiet lately, I have to admit. Used to be much more going on. Perhaps it's getting too complicated for people? So we need more enthusiasts working with TG and posting.
1. I think with social media the Terragen community might be more scattered than it was in the past. For example, people on Facebook wonder why people on the forum don't post to Facebook, and people on the forum wonder why people on Facebook don't post on the forum. And people are sharing Terragen images far and wide through other media, but maybe it's not connected enough. I don't know what the solution is yet, but I sense that there is a growing need for a more modern hub for all things Terragen. Maybe it could be built on top of this forum, or maybe it should be something new.
2. There has been a slight delay, and I'm sorry about the delay and lack of proactive communication about it. In the next 24 hours we're going to email everyone who pre-purchased TG4 or purchased the 1 Year Maintenance package, so be on the lookout for that. TG4 licenses will be sent out very soon, and the email will give a more precise estimate of when that will happen. It won't be long now :)
Matt
Matt just a basic thing but even an image forum with top banners and thumbnail preview can make a difference.
I know from the Lightwave forum that after they changed the image gallery from thumbnail to without thumbnail previews the viewer participation got down. I heard that it can be hard to add to forums sometimes but it would be a small nice addition.
But that is really only a small thing probably as social media like Facebook does have changed the playground in a much broader scale unfortunately and not just here.
Quote from: Kadri on September 01, 2016, 11:23:29 AM
Matt just a basic thing but even an image forum with top banners and thumbnail preview can make a difference.
I know from the Lightwave forum that after they changed the image gallery from thumbnail to without thumbnail previews the viewer participation got down. I heard that it can be hard to add to forums sometimes but it would be a small nice addition.
That's one of the first things we would like to add. It would be a required feature of a new hub, but maybe it can be added to this forum too. We'll look into it. It's interesting to hear that there was a measured difference in the Lightwave case - that is good to know.
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But that is really only a small thing probably as social media like Facebook does have changed the playground in a much broader scale unfortunately and not just here.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a bad thing overall. Terragen has lots of active users. Most of them aren't here on this forum, and we shouldn't dictate where people hang out, but there are new challenges for getting information where it needs to go.
Matt
"I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a bad thing overall. Terragen has lots of active users. Most of them aren't here on this forum, and we shouldn't dictate where people hang out, but there are new challenges for getting information where it needs to go."
Yes that is right. It is a hard topic. Planetside gets more people maybe in that way.
You know probably if the effect of Facebook is better for you certainly.
It is just that i am not sure. Facebook does have it's own priorities then a dedicated forum like this.
If you get more users from there there is nothing much to say about this.
Searching and finding things about Terragen like aspects is another side that is better handled obviously (as it is now at least in Facebook for example) much better in a forum.
To be honest, I don't like Facebook at all, and will never get down there, and it's a great pity TG users take their stuff/sharing there and not use a dedicated forum. We used to have much more fun together! For me, that makes it a lot less pleasant to share ideas and setups, knowing it can be taken and used to show off at Facebook. But that's just my 'problem' of course.
Well for me I always post here first and the FB page 2nd as this is where the TG users I wish to see/comment on my work hang out for the most part. I think a big part of forum use is seasonal. I recall when Moderating at renderosity that posts to the various forums would fall off from June to October, and the quality of Freestuff submissions I had to review would seriously fall off as well.
I as well thing a thumbnailed Gallery here would be a big plus.
Quote from: Dune on September 02, 2016, 02:52:00 AM
To be honest, I don't like Facebook at all, and will never get down there, and it's a great pity TG users take their stuff/sharing there and not use a dedicated forum. We used to have much more fun together! For me, that makes it a lot less pleasant to share ideas and setups, knowing it can be taken and used to show off at Facebook. But that's just my 'problem' of course.
It's very useful for more social concerns like announcing music gigs and keeping track of who is playing where and when which is why I joined Ulco, but I share your distaste for the gossip nature od 'social' sites...turns them anti social rapidly.
I know it's pretty useful for a lot of things, but my main concern is privacy and the big data gathering and exploitation.
Quote from: Dune on September 02, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
I know it's pretty useful for a lot of things, but my main concern is privacy and the big data gathering and exploitation.
heh heh, I empathize but at 68 if they don't know
everything about me already they're seriously slipping, and they're welcome to everything I post,,,jpg's are so lossy they're welcome to em and any models I post are so amatuer I'd not dream of selling them.
Where as you my friend are a highly skilled pro with a burgeoning career ahead from the looks of your commissions so I get your position.
Quote from: Dune on September 02, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
I know it's pretty useful for a lot of things, but my main concern is privacy and the big data gathering and exploitation.
If you use Hotmail,Gmail,Google for search and does have a smartphone you are already quite covered for any kind of privacy paranoia :)
http://www.precursorblog.com/?q=content/google%E2%80%99s-omnipresent-tracking-much-harder-leave-isp-privacy
Facebook adds just it's own share. Post, like and share less or only as you need.
I don't post images there directly anymore because of their policies for example.
Mostly Youtube links...opss that is part of Google too....
And of course you don't have to use it at all if you don't want to.
But i think you are too much afraid of what is only a part what is surveying us to the extreme already.
Finding your home address Ulco is an one click procedure for example-most probably-.
We are already in a 1984 world. Especially if you think about the NSA etc.
I think not participating isn't what can hold out someone of this anymore except for living on a island without any electronics.
There needs to be more strict rules-changes.
My sense has always been that image postings to Facebook forum seldom result in any technical discussion about the image such as settings used, etc. Postings to this forum often entail highly detailed discussion of techniques and methodologies. Since Facebook has such a large user base it's easier to 'discover' an artist posting there than here. So I think it depends on what your looking for. I'm not a big fan of empty compliments (which I see a lot on FB) because it's not a real critique of the image. Here..oh boy, people will let you know what's wrong, and that's the road to better images. I can go to FB and get people's 2 cents worth of feedback, or come here and get 20$ worth of feedback.
Having said that, blue nodes still suck. ;D ;D
You are what you are. Just add to their statistics by being individual.
I like FB. I don't regurgitate what my day's been, although I have friends and groups that do. I just pipe up when I have something to say. Otherwise I like keeping tabs on friends who also pipe up. Somehow, time and distance from people condenses.
Quote from: masonspappy on September 02, 2016, 03:51:02 PM
Having said that, blue nodes still suck. ;D ;D
Blues are fun. You can do what you like. :P
Just saw this:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/golden-state-warriors-android-app-constantly-listens-to-nearby-audio-fan-says/
Sorry Jgone kind of off topic a little but more active at least? ;D
hi,
"I think not participating isn't what can hold out someone of this anymore except for living on a island without any electronics.
There needs to be more strict rules-changes."
That is what stuck reading the posts in this thread today. I disagree, totally. No offense.
But, that is a different discussion and this thread is not the place.
To the questions which started this discussion(...) I would like to express a few thoughts, though:
- Active or not, was not was more or less - everytime I posted I got instant feedback.
Even the developers participate very often in diverse threads. That is something I appreciate a lot.
What I mean to say is this: post your questions, works, files etc and you create activity as a result.
- Reading more about Terragen was asked for.
I kind of understand this demand. It is a laborious effort involving much scorching through the forum sections and pages.
Once you know what to search for it gets easier. At least it did for me. So, you have to invest time in reading.
-It often is said a lot of the tutorials still apply to TG3 and some techniques still are good for TG4.
While this maybe true in essence a beginner does not know that and might get the impression
of a not very well maintained application when she/he looks at the wiki, for example.
Updates are needed. I would opt for dedicated sections for TG2, TG3 and TG4
(even if that means copying and pasting the same content and simply putting a new version label on it).
For seasoned users needlessly complicated and redundant perhaps, but a new user could reach the site
for "her/his" version immideately - and I bet - feel in the right place ;)
-While I am going on about organizing useful content I have to say there is simply no better way than a dedicated forum;
Find the section you are interested in, go there and see the listed threads right in front of you. What could be easier?
I just took a look at the facebook page (and since I do nat have an account I get nagged with log in log in log banners all the time).
Is there any kind of organization over ther at all? I have to admit I am not one of the species of smartphone-thumb-scrollers
(I still use a computer at home with a huge monitor and lots of real estate) so I simply do not like the format.
Scrolling till world`s end is just not my thing. Perhaps this is all prone to user error handling such a site, forgive my ignorance.
- Active discussion I could not detect either.
Ok, I did not search very long but it seems to me the facebook page is what you use to post short notices, remarks or "likes".
Needless to say I don`t like the world of "likes".
Masonspappy put it already to words. (But I like the world of Blue Nodes...)
As long as there are two or more planetside places to be keeping the content more or less identical (official posts I am thinking of) is crucial.
But it is what it is - sooner or later this forum will shrink more and more down to die-hard users or ultimately vanish because it does not fit
into ways of modern communications.
- I for one think a "Image sharing" section is enough but if people are more attracted by the book`s cover give `em a thumbnail gallery.
ok, bored you all long enough for today ::) Signing off.
cheers, Klaus
Quote from: KlausK on September 02, 2016, 08:47:25 PM
hi,
"I think not participating isn't what can hold out someone of this anymore except for living on a island without any electronics.
There needs to be more strict rules-changes."
That is what stuck reading the posts in this thread today. I disagree, totally. No offense.
But, that is a different discussion and this thread is not the place.
...
Klaus since you use a smarthphone as i understand(?) you probably missed the point i am trying to say or i am not clear enough in what i mean. Anyway not a problem.
Facebook isn't organized at all and only kind of a showplace. I resisted very long to use it and still don't like it.
But for example mostly all the Terranuts guys went there. Terranuts is still open but practically death.
For daily fast conversations it is nice but for archiving and accessing old data no.
Edit: Klaus just to make clearer what i mean. With a 10 minute search i found (probably) your webpage and in the "Impressum und Disclaimer" page is probably more information where you live including email address and Telephone number, then you would put (at least directly) on Facebook. After that it is easy to find things like how old you are, the party you are in, your profession etc. Even if you don't use Facebook there is so much information around about us it is kinda scary really.
hi Kadri
No, I don`t use a smartphone, I don`t even own a mobile phone.
Not out of paranoistic tendencies but I get around well without it.
The information I put on the website is the information I choose to give out. At least I like to think so.
Where I live and my profession one can find in the local phonebook.
Sure, being in forums or mailing lists, buying online, or surfing the internet alone is
enough to leave a footprint and is basically no different to being on facebook or any other
so called social media platform. What I do not like is what all this data is kept for and used for.
Which I can`t even imagine. So I try to keep my digital traces as sparse as possible.
Perhaps that is just wishful thinking. Anyways...
I think I do understand what you say in your post. I simply do not agree.
Your interests in TG e.g made you use facebook in the end, mine won`t.
There is not much more to it.
As I said this thread is not the place for this and I didn`t want to make this a personal thing.
That sentence just stuck...
cheers, Klaus
I don't understand in what you not agree actually Klaus.
Feels more like a lost in translation to me but no problem.
Maybe.
Well, something got stirred alright. Anyway, I am quite like you, Klaus, no smartphone (I do have a mobile, but it's always off), no FB, and very careful what I put on the internet. And I also agree with masonspappy, this is the place for real TG discussion. I am striving to keep it alive anyway ;)
Quote from: Dune on September 03, 2016, 12:19:36 PM
Well, something got stirred alright. Anyway, I am quite like you, Klaus, no smartphone (I do have a mobile, but it's always off), no FB, and very careful what I put on the internet. And I also agree with masonspappy, this is the place for real TG discussion. I am striving to keep it alive anyway ;)
Doing all I can as well...I'm the Forum/Gallery guy from way back. I got Imagine it's first one of each at renderosity which ran till Mike(the Imagine creator) passed away this year.
Just guessing but TG4 will arrive Sunday West Coast time so I just got up too early?
7AM is definitely too early for anything. ;)
- Oshyan
Quote from: Oshyan on September 04, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
7AM is definitely too early for anything. ;)
- Oshyan
Sorry, I only sleep 5 hours lately...heh heh...but I nap in the afternoon.
It was this Sunday right? hee he hee
Quote from: bobbystahr on September 04, 2016, 08:51:11 PM
It was this Sunday right? hee he hee
Awesome...installed and now to bed till tomorrow, thanks planetside folks
don't virtual private networks basically solve all of this?