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Title: Are you talkin' to me?
Post by: Hannes on January 20, 2017, 04:15:48 AM
Inspired by this thread:
http://www.planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,22718.0.html
I started to build a set of six different sand grains. I used edited versions of my own (fake-) subsurface scattering shader in my materials thread and placed the population on a small hill, which is actually a very very small Mt. St. Helens .ter file. :)
The insect models are from http://www.cadnav.com/
I had to edit them a lot and worked on the textures as well. The whole image is almost real world scale, maybe double the size, but not more, which makes working quite uncomfortable in this case, because there is some kind of camera clipping in the viewport. I can't see things that are very close to the camera. Maybe I missed something, but I can't remember a workaround for that.

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Post by: DocCharly65 on January 20, 2017, 04:19:44 AM
Mt. St. Helens .ter file? cool!  ;D

Could you increase the radius of the "platform" so that the legs of the bee touch the the ground a bit mor accurate? Then I'd see it as perfect.

But anyway good work!
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Post by: KlausK on January 20, 2017, 05:19:19 AM
Hi Hannes, this looks nice.

Clipping:
Have you tried the [ ] keys?
These are the keyboard shortcuts for far and near clipping.

Cheers, Klaus
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Post by: Hannes on January 20, 2017, 05:41:23 AM
Thanks, guys!!
Nils, you're definitely right. I somehow thought, wasps would stand on their legs like this. I'm working on it atm.

Klaus, yes, I just found this way to move the clipping plane, but it doesn't seem to work ...  :(
I'm using the german keyboard layout. The [] keys are Alt Gr 8 and 9, right? Even if I switch to english, there's no effect.
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Post by: KlausK on January 20, 2017, 06:01:53 AM
Hannes, with all the english programs I am working with I have only english layout keyboards in use...but
I think you are klicking the ROUND brackets (AltGr 8+9). Try the keys next to the letter P.
You need the SQUARE brackets for this. AltGr u-Umlaut and the ! key with AltGr.
Hope that helps.
On the other hand if you are working in such a small scale (just a few millimeters actually) perhaps
clipping can`t go down this far?

Cheers, Klaus

ps: this is a swiss-german keyboard layout where the square brackets are next to "P"
I don`t know if that differs from a german-german keyboard layout...
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Post by: archonforest on January 20, 2017, 06:14:05 AM
Great stuff!!!  :)
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Post by: Hannes on January 20, 2017, 06:31:00 AM
Didn't work... :(
Below you see a part of the german keyboard layout. I tried all keys together with Alt Gr. No effect at all.
The square brackets are on the 8 and 9 keys. I can write them together with Alt Gr, but in TG nothing happens...

Nonetheless I adjusted Mt. St. Helens, and placed the insects newly, which is a pain in the ass at the moment, but finally I got it. :)
Rendering at the moment. Will take 3 and a half hours.
Title: Re: Are you talkin' to me?
Post by: KlausK on January 20, 2017, 06:41:27 AM
This IS different from the swiss-german keyboard layout. I had no idea  ???
Perhaps you can try to assign another keyboard  shortcut for clip distance to get rid of the AltGr?
Maybe that helps?
Cheers, Klaus
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Post by: Hannes on January 20, 2017, 07:02:12 AM
Finally I found the solution! I found FrankB's advice here:
http://www.planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,8802.msg94665.html#msg94665
So I checked it and found that I had to press "ß" on my keyboard to decrease the clipping plane distance. It's working now. Thanks anyway, Klaus!!!!
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Post by: KlausK on January 20, 2017, 07:36:36 AM
Good, you got it working!
And, this letter is not even to be found on the swiss-german keyboard layout.
I`ll store the solution in my database of useful tricks`n tips.
Cheers, Klaus
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Post by: luvsmuzik on January 20, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
Love it!
Hannes, please look!

http://www.planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,22729.msg229488.html#msg229488
Title: Re: Are you talkin' to me?
Post by: Hannes on January 20, 2017, 08:22:33 AM
Cool!!!!  :) :) :)
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Post by: Kadri on January 20, 2017, 09:10:30 AM

Looks nice Hannes.
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Post by: Dune on January 20, 2017, 10:42:27 AM
I just knew you would try to get these sand grains nailed, and you got really far. Good stuff, Hannes!
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Post by: Hannes on January 20, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
Thanks! ;D ;D ;D
Here is the updated version.
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Post by: Dune on January 20, 2017, 12:16:55 PM
Perfect!
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Post by: otakar on January 20, 2017, 01:25:27 PM
Ja, kein scharfes S bei den Schweizern...  ;D

Hannes, this is really cool. At this scale it's got to be tough to work in. Came out great.
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Post by: Kadri on January 20, 2017, 01:28:37 PM

Looks even better :)
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Post by: Oshyan on January 20, 2017, 03:07:01 PM
Hah! When I read that article on Piper there was a little part of me that was thinking "Heck, we've been doing zillions of tiny rocks for sand and beaches for years now in Terragen!" :D Granted the Pixar version has more accurate shading, and simulation of the grain movements, but for a still image what you have put together here is remarkably close! Well done indeed. Maybe you share your close-up sand setup? :)

- Oshyan
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Post by: archonforest on January 20, 2017, 03:33:41 PM
the update is absolutely fantastic!! 2 thumbs up man 8)
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Post by: bobbystahr on January 20, 2017, 03:59:48 PM
Hannes Hannes Hannes, you along with Ulco never fail to astound me. BRILLIANT!  *****
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Post by: fleetwood on January 20, 2017, 04:32:30 PM
Cool  8)


(Holy Mackerel I just hit 1000 posts !)
Title: Re: Are you talkin' to me?
Post by: Hannes on January 20, 2017, 06:39:56 PM
Wow, guys, thanks, you make my day!!!!!! Of course I'll share this stuff! Give me some time....
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Post by: AP on January 20, 2017, 07:04:56 PM
The sand is fantastic and the scene as a whole looks great.
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Post by: cyphyr on January 20, 2017, 08:07:09 PM
This is excelent ... of course I am now making lots of little grains of sand ... there is a technique to this which I have yet to master ... well done :)
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Post by: zaxxon on January 20, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
That is great! Really fun to look at. I agree with DocCharly that a slight replacement of the legs would seal the 'Perfect', for me as well.
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Post by: masonspappy on January 21, 2017, 10:05:10 AM
Wow - impressive!
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Post by: Lady of the Lake on January 21, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
Fantastic.  Amazing work.
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Post by: inkydigit on January 22, 2017, 07:49:37 AM
Love this Hannes,
Glad that post added some inspiration!
I knew someone would give it a go... you beat me to it!
Five star render!
Jason
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Post by: Hannes on January 22, 2017, 08:15:34 AM
Thanks again!!!! Once again I found that trying to imitate reference images is a good way to success, just to see how DOF looks best for example. Especially DOF is sometimes used just because it's such a cool feature, but when used incorrectly it can destroy the whole image.
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Post by: Dune on January 22, 2017, 10:38:37 AM
Yes, and it can be used to make a bad render look okay  :P
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Post by: Hannes on January 22, 2017, 10:42:56 AM
Sure, but a bad render with incorrect settings looks even worse. :P
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Post by: Dune on January 22, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
 :P
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Post by: DocCharly65 on January 23, 2017, 02:55:44 AM
Absolutely perfect now with the bigger plateau for the wasp (it's not a bee - right?)

And absolutely agreement with the DoF  ;D
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Post by: Hannes on January 23, 2017, 04:48:45 AM
Right! And thank you.  :)