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Title: Volumetrics
Post by: nvseal on October 16, 2007, 09:08:46 PM
I thought some of you might also like looking at this. This guy has some nice images. http://dmytry.pandromeda.com/volumetrics/index.html

http://dmytry.pandromeda.com/galaxy/index.html This is really neat.
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: old_blaggard on October 16, 2007, 09:58:03 PM
Yeah, Dmytry was the main person who developed Mojo's volumetrics system to where it is today.  It's darn good, but not quite as good as Terragen's can be in my opinion ;).
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: Oshyan on October 16, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
As far as I know Dmytry was the *only* person developing the volumetrics plugin for Mojo. ;) His plugin also does non-cloud volumetrics - Isosurfaces - which are a pretty cool way to get caves, overhangs, and lots of other wild terrain shapes. Perhaps most significantly Dmytry has a procedural erosion system working well enough to show some impressive demonstrations. Unfortunately that work has yet to see the light of day, and it sounds like he's currently doing some proprietary work under NDA so who knows if or when we'll see more from him publicly.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: dhavalmistry on October 16, 2007, 10:34:13 PM
the link isnt working :(
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: nvseal on October 17, 2007, 10:04:37 AM
Quote from: dhavalmistry on October 16, 2007, 10:34:13 PM
the link isnt working :(

It still works for me.  ???
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: rcallicotte on October 17, 2007, 10:48:24 AM
Oshyan, can Planetside sign this fellow up?  We need this.  NEED.   :P
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: dhavalmistry on October 17, 2007, 11:42:23 AM
I am sorry it still doesnt work for me....I tried Firefox and IE both......
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: rcallicotte on October 17, 2007, 11:51:17 AM
It works for me as well.  Which link?  Both?

Quote from: dhavalmistry on October 17, 2007, 11:42:23 AM
I am sorry it still doesnt work for me....I tried Firefox and IE both......
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: dhavalmistry on October 17, 2007, 11:57:33 AM
yes both of them doesnt work....I dont have any website blocker or anything....
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: rcallicotte on October 17, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
I have Firefox version 2.0.0.7 and all I do is click on the links.  Geez.  This is weird.
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: RealUser on October 17, 2007, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: Oshyan on October 16, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
(...) Unfortunately that work has yet to see the light of day, and it sounds like he's currently doing some proprietary work under NDA so who knows if or when we'll see more from him publicly.

- Oshyan

Hehe, this sound like it's going to be the same story as with TGv1!
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: rcallicotte on October 17, 2007, 12:51:13 PM
What story is that?  Let us in on it.

Quote from: RealUser on October 17, 2007, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: Oshyan on October 16, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
(...) Unfortunately that work has yet to see the light of day, and it sounds like he's currently doing some proprietary work under NDA so who knows if or when we'll see more from him publicly.

- Oshyan

Hehe, this sound like it's going to be the same story as with TGv1!
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: Oshyan on October 17, 2007, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: calico on October 17, 2007, 10:48:24 AM
Oshyan, can Planetside sign this fellow up?  We need this.  NEED.   :P
Frankly there are only two significant pieces of his work that we don't already have covered - Isosurface rendering and (related to that) procedural erosion. As far as I understand it implementing Isosurface rendering wouldn't be terribly difficult, but it's not something we'll be doing for the TG2 final later this year - maybe a future update. Procedural erosion is another matter, but clearly it's possible and if anyone else could figure it out I'd bet it would be Matt. He's a pretty clever guy. ;D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: rcallicotte on October 17, 2007, 01:53:36 PM
Oshyan, I need a napkin (drooling).  It isn't fair to say cool stuff like that and mean it, you know.   ;D
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: old_blaggard on October 17, 2007, 02:17:01 PM
Looking forward to that ;).
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: efflux on October 18, 2007, 06:19:11 PM
The best thing is the isosurfaces because that's really unique. TG2 clouds are good but the Mojo isosurfaces plugin can do some wild stuff. I never used it much though. The clouds were more useful. It boils down to Mojo being so much hastle to use and you couldn't even see a proper preview of the isosurfaces.
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: dhavalmistry on October 18, 2007, 06:50:42 PM
yes...using mojo itself is a mission let alone making most out of it.....and untill couple of months ago I didnt even knew that it had a function editor....another thing I hate about mojo (and all the other software) is the black UI...its just very unprofessional (my opinion) and has the trapped feeling....
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: RealUser on October 20, 2007, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: calico on October 17, 2007, 12:51:13 PM
What story is that?  Let us in on it.

Quote from: RealUser on October 17, 2007, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: Oshyan on October 16, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
(...) Unfortunately that work has yet to see the light of day, and it sounds like he's currently doing some proprietary work under NDA so who knows if or when we'll see more from him publicly.

- Oshyan

Hehe, this sound like it's going to be the same story as with TGv1!

Just think about who did some work for a major SFX company instead of working on Terragen and you are on the right path.
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: rcallicotte on October 21, 2007, 08:49:51 AM
@Realuser - Oh.  I must be definitely out of the loop on this one.  Sounds like Planetside is much more robust in talent than I imagined.
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: Will on October 21, 2007, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: calico on October 21, 2007, 08:49:51 AM
@Realuser - Oh.  I must be definitely out of the loop on this one.  Sounds like Planetside is much more robust in talent than I imagined.

same
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: old_blaggard on October 21, 2007, 12:06:50 PM
Well, it's a bit of an open secret.  Actually, it's not even a secret at all :P.  Matt did some work for Digital Domain and is pretty much responsible for laying the foundations to their landscape engine.
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: Oshyan on October 21, 2007, 04:00:53 PM
Matt worked at Digital Domain for several years, first continuing work on the TG 0.9 ("TGB") engine, adding features like motion blur and simple volumetric clouds. Then he began work on a "next generation" Terragen renderer which became known as "TGD". Matt worked out a contract with Digital Domain that allowed him to take the majority of his base code with him when he left and that is what has evolved into the public Terragen 2. Meanwhile Digital Domain has taken the same code base and put a few other coders onto it to evolve into what they call "Engen", which was used *extensively* (for literally hundreds of major shots) on the movie Stealth, as well as subsequently in Flags of Our Fathers and other film and TV shots.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: RealUser on October 22, 2007, 07:08:05 AM
Quote from: Oshyan on October 21, 2007, 04:00:53 PM
(...) Meanwhile Digital Domain has taken the same code base and put a few other coders onto it to evolve into what they call "Engen", which was used *extensively* (for literally hundreds of major shots) on the movie Stealth, as well as subsequently in Flags of Our Fathers and other film and TV shots.

Yap, and he can be very proud of what he has achieved.
Title: Re: Volumetrics
Post by: rcallicotte on October 22, 2007, 10:19:08 AM
Wow!!  Cool.  This is wonderful news. 

Congratulations Matt on all of your hard work.  I can't wait to see what you do next.  I absolutely adore TG2.