Just a nod to the Terragen global community and those in it who are affected by the coronavirus crisis, and all of their loved ones, friends and families. Especially those in China, Italy and other places that are particularly hard hit.
It's suddenly a much different world. Be careful out there.
I hope everyone does well. I'm not too worried about SARS, which has been around for a looong time (a lot of the world already has antibodies which explains high recovery rate). I hope those with compromised immune systems and the elderly are kept safe. I'm more worried about 179k worldwide cases and nearly 8 billion people in hysteria and martial law being enacted across the globe. Several mob fights have broken out over supplies in our state, and the NG has been mobilizing and setting up.
Quote from: WAS on March 16, 2020, 01:53:09 PMI'm more worried about 179k worldwide cases and nearly 8 billion people in hysteria
Thanks for the wishes and same to all of you!
I hope that the selfish pack of hamster buyers is not representative of humanity - or people who try to persuade pharmaceutical companies to deliver vaccines exclusively to their nation - then good night mankind!
...I should make some tests how to render toilet paper and bread... in the supermarket it was already empty today...
I think the worst thing is indeed hysteria. Yes, it's a serious disease. Other diseases are even more dangerous. People are totally freaking out. Apart from desinfection stuff you can't get any flour, noodles or toilet paper anymore in our super markets. So it seems everything is about cooking noodles, baking numerous cakes and taking comfortable dumps. ???
Quote from: DocCharly65 on March 16, 2020, 02:23:19 PMI hope that the selfish pack of hamster buyers is not representative of humanity - or people who try to persuade pharmaceutical companies to deliver vaccines exclusively to their nation
Seriously. I have little confidence in world governments right now whose responsibility is to keep the publics composure, and they're right on board with media hysteria. The Health Department of our state and our health plans had to send out PSAs trying to educate people on SARS Coronavirus and it's real risks over media hyperbole, but doesn't seem to be having any impact. And sorry, I'll always go to peer reviewed and cited info before CNN or some journalist trying to reiterate things for a buzz.
Quote from: Hannes on March 16, 2020, 02:26:47 PMSo it seems everything is about cooking noodles, baking numerous cakes and taking comfortable dumps.
I have to clean my desk of coffee now, thanks. LOLOL
Thank you, and I also wish eveyone would keep their calm and use their brain. But mass hysteria is indeed luring, especially when frightening words go viral. People should listen to Governments and scientists, not FB 'friends', or whatever crap.
Sorry, have to go now, get another load of toiletpaper, asap! :P
Stay safe, guys and girls!
It has been clear for years that this was going to happen one day. There are dozens of books and films on the subject, and now it has finally happened. It's probably also sheer luck that we were spared from a pandemic for a century, although a few times it was a close call. The last Ebola outbreak almost reached the Congolese metropolis of Goma. It's not that we weren't warned: in recent decades we've seen outbreaks of the birds flu, swine fever, mad cow disease, and whatnot. Despite all this, we were not really prepared.
On a positive note: perhaps the coronavirus is a last warning, and the current measures taken are a kind of rehearsal for when a really deadly virus emerges. Since the whole world population is now affected by this, it might also lead to the realization that we are all very dependent on each other.
In any case, I hope that everyone will get safe and sound through this ordeal.
One good thing; CO2 production will go through a nice dip. We just went out and it's very quiet everywhere, hardly any traffic (and from the news; much less CO2 costly flights).
...and after I spent half of the day visiting supermarkets I finally found one package of toilet paper. Made my day... ;)
Quote from: Dune on March 17, 2020, 07:00:39 AMOne good thing; CO2 production will go through a nice dip. We just went out and it's very quiet everywhere, hardly any traffic (and from the news; much less CO2 costly flights).
That's true! Air pollution's gone down quite a bit, too. So we can do it, if there's a big stick, and if the result is immediately noticeable.
Quote from: René on March 17, 2020, 09:07:45 AMQuote from: Dune on March 17, 2020, 07:00:39 AMOne good thing; CO2 production will go through a nice dip. We just went out and it's very quiet everywhere, hardly any traffic (and from the news; much less CO2 costly flights).
That's true! Air pollution's gone down quite a bit, too. So we can do it, if there's a big stick, and if the result is immediately noticeable.
They are saying airlines may go bankrupt because of cost of maintenance of planes sitting there not making money.
I was about to open a thread about this asking how is everyone out there. there is a lot of things happening in all continents, and a lot of news (mostly alarmist or fake news) in the internet. some of you already know my opinion about this kind of misinformation. the best way to keep well informed is in scientific portals or journals. hope everyone can be safe and healthy. the only good things i see in this are the decrease in CO2 emissions, and the fact that some of us probably could had more time for TG :)
My worry is all this becoming norm. Seems like a very interesting thing to go haywire over. SARS has been around and this novel strain of SARS is just a substrain, nothing new altogether. As it stands Influenza has killed more in 2020 alone, and upwards 150 million since the Spanish Flu, if this is a pandemic than influenza must be a epidemic.
I understand the need, like with swine flu and bird flu that we can try to prevent population integration, but the way things are handled are insane. The needs of the literal few shouldn't outweigh the needs of the many. To quote Star Trek.
Quote from: undefinedSo we can do it, if there's a big stick, and if the result is immediately noticeable.
This experience may teach us that there are a lot of things we can do without. If there's an upside that could be it.
As for mass hysteria it seems pretty low-key so far. People mostly seem to be looking for national leadership which has been sorely lacking. Instead we get xenophobia and finger pointing. Our local leaders are doing their best to take charge. Supermarkets have been cleaned out, something we haven't experienced here before. People's behavior could get worse as this drags on, of course.
I heard an interesting idea the other day, that we erased the 1918 influenza pandemic from our national memory because the survivors simply wanted to forget how poorly they behaved.
But consider this. The 1918 pandemic infected one-third of the world's population and killed 50 million people. In the U.S. it killed 675,000, about 0.6 percent of the population. At the time only about half the people lived in urban areas, where the disease easily spread, and there was no such thing as air travel.
So, no, I don't think any of the national and state governments are overreacting. We're all going to be touched by this.
Quoteand the fact that some of us probably could had more time for TG :)
Yup. :D
I think they are most certainly overreacting. It's SARs. They followed media hysteria before scientific fact. Enacting a State of Emergency and Martial Law is unacceptable when the goal is composure of the populace. SARS didn't cause store shelves to clear, governments did. And the damage to world economies is going to put us in a recession again real quick (already starting).
Nothing about this is maintaining order and infrastructure.
The people in poverty and elderly effected makes it much worse than SARS.
As is we're supposedly free individuals where situations like these are only in the movies, where it's realized we technically aren't free people. We're sheep to be penned.
If governments would let this go uncontrolled, hospitals would flood with the sick, causing hospital workers to get sick too, resulting in much more deaths, and chaos. Some of our hospitals already reached their max and are transferring IC patients to other hospitals.
Quote from: WAS on March 17, 2020, 12:04:18 PM...
The people in poverty and elderly effected makes it much worse than SARS.
As is we're supposedly free individuals where situations like these are only in the movies, where it's realized we technically aren't free people. We're sheep to be penned.
You don't need a pandemic to get that conclusion... ;D
Quote from: Dune on March 18, 2020, 02:45:06 AMIf governments would let this go uncontrolled, hospitals would flood with the sick, causing hospital workers to get sick too, resulting in much more deaths, and chaos. Some of our hospitals already reached their max and are transferring IC patients to other hospitals.
??? Governments aren't doing anything but encouraging you to call a doctor if you have symptoms and be seen. So if anything they're adding to that stress. That's not what I'm talking about.
Quote from: undefined??? Governments aren't doing anything but encouraging you to call a doctor if you have symptoms and be seen. So if anything they're adding to that stress. That's not what I'm talking about.
That's certainly not true for China, South Korea and other Asian countries, at least once they realized how contagious the virus is. Remember that we have an international community here and U.S. users are almost certainly in the minority. And now that the U.S. government has finally awakened to the crisis, this is becoming less true here with each passing day. Recommending that everyone isolate themselves and reduce social interactions, closing restaurants and other businesses, closing school districts, etc., is certainly *much* more than just "encouraging you to call a doctor." And all to the good if it slows the spread by even a fraction of a percent. Despite what many people in this country seem to think, government is not inherently evil.
At any rate, I'm very glad to have Terragen projects to work on as a distraction right now. Keeping me sane.
Right. Same here. Schools and restaurants/pubs closed, total lockdown is not far away. Our government is very much in control, closely working with scientists, but erratic and not very thoughtful behavior of people is throwing sand in the machinery (or however you'd call it), increasing the need for more strict measures.
I am very positive about (at least) our Dutch Government and institutions.
Hospital called today that we can't visit my father-in-law anymore, he's in isolation due to suspected corona. Better safe than sorry; a totally healthy 29 year old guy has collapsed due to corona, so I will take this seriously, knowing how sick I was 2 years back from a normal flue.
And yes, luckily, some of us can work from home and continue without problems.
Stay safe!
Confusing personal private sector action for government is negligent. The government has done no such things in the US. Even in China, hospitals were overrun and people were most certainly told to immediately call if they had symptoms. The reason people were locked up in their homes is a simple lack of freedoms and liberties and people being conditioned to except these norms. Here in the US the government would be sued based on empirical statutes. Here in the US the government has only placed sanctions on gatherings of more than 250 people, and closed international travel. That most certainly means restaurants, etc, can run. It's at their discretion to do otherwise. Encouraging isolation so you don't get infected is entirely irrelevant to seeking medical help when infected and a serious health risk to you and others.
We've had two cases in our park alone, and supposedly the widest number of cases in the country here in WA. It's pretty close to home.
And the rampant misinformation people are consuming is no better, like media reporting on it being airborne, when it most certainly isn't, and the source of the news has big bold red disclaimers to not report on it because it's not peer reviewed or citable. Or to use masks to prevent infection (rather than to prevent spread) because SARS and influenza are ocular tropic, the best route of infection is your unprotected eyes, not your nose or mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7_t2Ri2Zg
Quote from: René on March 17, 2020, 04:27:39 AMIt has been clear for years that this was going to happen one day. There are dozens of books and films on the subject, and now it has finally happened. It's probably also sheer luck that we were spared from a pandemic for a century, although a few times it was a close call. The last Ebola outbreak almost reached the Congolese metropolis of Goma. It's not that we weren't warned: in recent decades we've seen outbreaks of the birds flu, swine fever, mad cow disease, and whatnot. Despite all this, we were not really prepared.
On a positive note: perhaps the coronavirus is a last warning, and the current measures taken are a kind of rehearsal for when a really deadly virus emerges. Since the whole world population is now affected by this, it might also lead to the realization that we are all very dependent on each other.
In any case, I hope that everyone will get safe and sound through this ordeal.
I as well have sorta been expecting something like this for a while now...to all my friends and acquaintances here...Good Luck...we're gonna need some.
It's crazy how Swine Flu spread like wildflower in 09, killed over 540k people (documented in developed countries), and was hardly a buzz like SARs, which by their own numbers, isn't as infectious or deadly in about 5 months. As is Influenza A alone has killed more by leaps and bounds in 2020 alone. The Swine Flu also caused a State of Emergency in the US but none of the problems we're seeing today, with far more deaths and prevalence. But not nearly the hysteria or misinformation spreading to the masses worldwide. We even had a SARs outbreak in 2002-2003 hardly even reported on that killed over 7k. Seems this is all to change social structure. For example voting season around the world and rallying against officials/opponents in gathered crowds. xD
The relative composure of governments and the populace during the Swine Flu pandemic allowed economies to remain largely unaffected, and it also made rolling out vaccines when developed much easier.
Kind of agree with the above. I get an impression that people around the world act as if this virus was a brain cancer airborne. It is not.
Of course, it doesn't mean that you are entitled to walk around and spread it like an irresponsible, little twat.
One thing that I regret is that all computer shops are down. My laptop is about two months overdue as far as cooling renewal and CPU fan are concerned... I'm afraid to use it for CG. A little personal drama and boredom factor. :(