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Title: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 22, 2007, 10:53:01 AM
Started this landscape a few weeks ago and wanted to play around a bit trying to learn and understand working with populations of tree, bushes and grasses. Spend much more time on the matter than I expected at first, but now I understand a lot more about placing the trees and bushes on the spots I want them to grow, working with image masks.
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: dhavalmistry on December 22, 2007, 11:08:02 AM
very nice work.....but I can barely make out the fore/middle ground trees....I am having hard time imagining the scale between foreground and background...
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 22, 2007, 02:31:46 PM
Thanks dhavalmistry for your comments; I guess you may have a point. I tried to make the left foreground part look like a spot where lots of reeds, a few bushes and trees were mixt together. It's a kind of low spot in the terrain, were you might expect the terrain get moistened from time to time; lots of reeds can grow there. But maybe the reed is not clearly enough "reed"...
Greetings.
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: nvseal on December 22, 2007, 02:41:52 PM
This looks really good. Great population work.
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: Oshyan on December 22, 2007, 04:13:03 PM
This looks excellent - highly realistic. It would be great to see it rendered larger. If you need help rendering large, I'd be glad to lend some time on one of my systems. :)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: rcallicotte on December 22, 2007, 05:07:10 PM
Great.  I've been looking at Vue 6 lately (sales, sales and more sales), but this rivals anything I've seen there.  Nice and green.   ;D
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 22, 2007, 05:18:06 PM
Thanks for your kind replies folks. I rendered this image at 2000x1500 pix, that took about then hours. For the upload I had to make it smaller though.
Maybe I get a reasenable printing-result at 9,5x7 inch. If not: I'll render it larger; when I run into trouble (rendering for days :-\ for example) I may accept your kind offer, Oshyan...
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: Oshyan on December 22, 2007, 07:38:02 PM
Ah, then your problem is saving a jpg with higher than necessary quality settings. ;) If you have Photoshop, use Save for Web and about 80% quality. It's a common myth that saving at "12" (or anything over 10 for that matter) will make a visual difference, when in fact in 99% of cases it doesn't. Otherwise, if you're using another app, try reducing the quality (or increasing the compression) a bit. An 800x600 image should be no more than 400kb even at very high quality, and that will fit within the posting limits here. I'd just love to see this larger. :)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 23, 2007, 09:10:50 AM
Here's a larger one, hope it works... :D
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: dhavalmistry on December 23, 2007, 09:36:26 AM
it does work....but what is that dark stuff in the shadows in middleground....looks like those trees arent textured perhaps??.....and the big square thing in the background....looks like a container....
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: sonshine777 on December 23, 2007, 09:55:24 AM
Looks great! The only thing I would suggest is to do some postwork on the floating leaves on the foreground branches. After that is done you will have an excellent piece. :)
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 23, 2007, 10:01:36 AM
Hey Dhavalmistry,
Dark stuff: I guess you mean the shadows in between the reedbushes...And in the background there's is house... ;D Oh well, maybe some houses look like containers... ;)
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 23, 2007, 10:05:21 AM
You're right sonshine, seems I've lost some small twigs there...grrr, have to render again...
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: Tangled-Universe on December 23, 2007, 10:49:09 AM
This looks great! I like the natural appearance of the bushes, look photo-realistic, well done!
I'd also love to see this one in high-res ;)

Martin
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 23, 2007, 02:58:26 PM
Fixed the lost twigs in the foreground branches.
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: j meyer on December 23, 2007, 04:16:54 PM
Pretty convincing!
What about the plants,free stuff,commercial,selfmade?
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 23, 2007, 05:40:11 PM
The trees and bushes: Onyx software, commercial. I made some grasses myself with Bantam 3D Grass, freeware: found a link here on the Planetside Forums a few months ago, but can't find it anymore.
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: Tangled-Universe on December 23, 2007, 07:24:38 PM
What a great image, really like it. Good job!
Only thing I'd change for sure is to remove the 'firs' (those are firs aren't they? those dark cone shaped trees?). I think they don't match the vegetation, somehow.
The rest of the scene vegetation is very convincing, like I said: well done :)
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 24, 2007, 02:26:25 PM
Thank you Tangled-Universe. The "cone shaped trees" you mentioned are actually kind of bamboo or reed bushes. I attached one here...
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: Tangled-Universe on December 24, 2007, 02:37:06 PM
Oh man...what did I say :(
This is so emberassing, I thought they were coned shaped dark trees but it is the ground which is dark and gives that illusion. Well, it gave me the illusion at 1.20 a.m., need I say more ;) haha *lol*.
It's a very nice bush. Trees or not, I think you should change the color of the ground/soil. It's a too great contrast.
Sorry to sound picky :)

Martin
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 25, 2007, 12:51:01 PM
That's okay, :D, I appreciate you wanna share your sincere comment! You could be right about the contrast, but it's more a matter of softening the shadows I guess, they seem to be a bit to strong or to black. The colour of the soil isn't black, it's green, the kind of green you see in the rest of the picture...
Greetings.

Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: sonshine777 on December 25, 2007, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: EmDee1 on December 23, 2007, 02:58:26 PM
Fixed the lost twigs in the foreground branches.

Much better. :)
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: sjefen on December 25, 2007, 07:16:06 PM
This is very nice.
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: otakar on December 26, 2007, 12:44:14 PM
No, it's not just very nice, it's spectacular. Great job on the population and making it all look believable. It's no easy task. Population control is tricky and having the colors and shapes come together is not any easier.

One of my favorite renders with TG2P :)
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: Oshyan on December 26, 2007, 04:50:29 PM
The realism holds up well at the larger size. A really excellent picture. I like the composition and the populations are also well integrated. Rather than many images that look too simple, focused on only one vegetation type, this has a good mix with plants in a realistic distribution. My only criticism would be the foreground branch bottom-right looks cut off. Otherwise it's great.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 27, 2007, 09:42:42 AM
Thanks people for your kind comments. Oshyan, your absolutely right about that strange cut off branch.
I had noticed it my self, and every time I looked at that particular spot I tried to convince myself it didn't show or at least it didn't harm the picture too much...Oh well, maybe one more render then... ;D
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: EmDee1 on December 27, 2007, 04:05:20 PM
Okay, this must be the final one...It's starting to feel like work :D
Title: Re: Trees population study
Post by: rcallicotte on December 28, 2007, 07:41:45 AM
Very nice.  It's starting to look real.   ;D