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Title: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on December 31, 2007, 07:22:06 AM
I've converted some xFrog trees via the following method and would like your comments / suggestions. 

[edit - I will put some of my results here as I convert other xFrog trees]

1.  Take the LWO xFrog tree and all associated files into PoseRay.
2.  The branches are all adjusted by setting the UV for each to Cylindrical and x=0, y=0, z=1.  Weld UV Coordinates is checked
3.  Hit update under UV for each branch I change in #2.
4.  Go to each Material in Basic Texture Properties and make sure the TIF files are used as the Bump Maps for all
5.  Go to each leaf Material in Basic Texture Properties and make sure the TIF files are used Transparency Maps; invert mapping is unchecked
6.  Make sure under Material / Finish that the Metallic checkbox is unchecked
7.  Hit update under Basic Texture Properties for all changes in #4, #5 and #6
8.  Export object as an object file
9.  Bring into TG2 and adjust any changes that didn't go through, like displacement maps or Alpha maps
10.  Make sure that under the Opacity tab for each texture associated with the leaf has Opacity set for 1, has the appropriate TIF file and has Use Alpha Channel checked
11.  Once everything is completed in TG2 for the object, I save as a TGO.


Here is a leaf from the Horse Chestnut tree as a reference - http://www.hainaultforest.co.uk/Leaf%20Horse%20chestnut.JPG

This is the Horse Chestnut close-up.  Comments welcome. 


Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: rcallicotte on December 31, 2007, 12:02:07 PM
Any feedback on whether this looks like it's working or not?  I'm not sure if anyone thought this was just instruction.  It isn't.  I'm not sure what I'm doing looks good.  Your comments would be helpful, if you have time.
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: Virex on December 31, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
From what i can tell it looks nice. But you'd need to zoom out a bit more for me to see what the tree's like. If you're going for a "hidden behind foilage" look for your scene, this'll do nicely, (though the leefs do seem a bit too green and too light.)
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: Seth on December 31, 2007, 12:46:37 PM
leaves seem very believable to me !
would like to see more...
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: rcallicotte on December 31, 2007, 12:49:36 PM
Thanks! 

I'll post the full tree by tomorrow.  I'm unable to access those files right now.  As I convert, I'll post the full tree for assessments, unless it starts to get old.
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: Seth on December 31, 2007, 01:17:47 PM
i'll wait for tomorrow to see the entire tree :)
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: moodflow on December 31, 2007, 04:48:37 PM
Wow, these look incredible!  Very nice work.
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: old_blaggard on December 31, 2007, 05:23:16 PM
Very nice job :).
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: moodflow on December 31, 2007, 06:54:05 PM
Calico, lets see one of those trees from a distance now as a test, with some soft shadows on.  Again, nice work.
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: rcallicotte on December 31, 2007, 09:32:54 PM
Is it just me or are these yellow edges, which are naturally there on this Horse Chestnut's leaves, looking a bit unnatural?  Opinions?
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: Harvey Birdman on January 01, 2008, 12:53:01 AM
ummm.... yellow edges?

;)

Looks good to me, but what do I know.

:D
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: Seth on January 01, 2008, 05:04:25 AM
i see the yellow edges but as HB said, it looks real good !
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: Hannes on January 01, 2008, 05:42:14 AM
Wow, looks very natural.
Maybe the green parts of the leaves are too saturated like Virex already said. Compared to the yellow edges there seems to be too much contrast.
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: schmeerlap on January 01, 2008, 06:17:10 AM
Should point 3 read ". . . . . each branch I change in #2."
Leaves and tree look good to me, but then, as you might know by now, I'm kinda colour blind when it comes to greens/reds.
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: rcallicotte on January 01, 2008, 09:33:59 AM
Thanks everyone for your comments.  I did have a higher contrast when rendering, which works well for rocks and terrain but not so well with trees.  I appreciate this feedback.

@schmeerlap - Thanks for the correction.  Changed.    ;D
Title: Re: xFrog and Horse Chestnut Tree
Post by: dhavalmistry on January 01, 2008, 10:54:42 AM
any chance I get to use it??...
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 01, 2008, 11:18:06 AM
@dh - These are the retail version and this is in hopes that others will see if they want the xFrog retail based on what everyone sees I'm doing.  As always, comments are welcome.

Here is the Shagbark Hickory.

Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Tangled-Universe on January 01, 2008, 11:25:34 AM
Very good work Calico. Always great to see someone's workflow on the conversion process.
I've also had troubles converting models lately but now I've found a way to convert them correctly and it's almost similar to yours.

Have you ever tried replacing the original textures with some of your own?
I've recently downloaded a few very high-res bark-textures from http://www.cgtextures.com (http://www.cgtextures.com) and also created bump maps of them using NVidia's normal map tool.
Those high-res textures look really awesome in close-up with low displacement values.
You can also do the same for the leaf-textures too of course.

Regards, Martin
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Seth on January 01, 2008, 11:49:36 AM
good !
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 01, 2008, 06:25:52 PM
A Pecan tree.  I was in a hurry and cut off the top in the render.  You can still see the cool leaves and bark.

@TU - Thanks.  I had to change my process and have changed it to include removing the default metal effect in PoseRay.  As a matter of fact, this one thing, among about 90% of the other steps I take to get the result I want came from Harvey Birdman.  So, thanks to you, Harvey.  Because of you, I'm not losing my mind trying to figure all of this out.

I have tried experimenting with different textures and I've done a little with the Nvidia filter for PS (and love it), but I have a lot more fun experimentation ahead.

Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 01, 2008, 07:23:51 PM
Norway Spruce
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 02, 2008, 06:33:40 PM
European Beech
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Seth on January 02, 2008, 07:08:06 PM
last one looks gooood !
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: dhavalmistry on January 02, 2008, 07:35:39 PM
are these all from one set???...they look great!
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: moodflow on January 02, 2008, 11:29:58 PM
Very nice renders.

Yes, which set is this? 
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 03, 2008, 09:51:26 AM
These are from the Basic set.  I have 10 more to convert...of the middle instances.  Then there are 40 more to convert, including the young and adult.  Everything in this thread is from the middle instance of the tree.
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Tangled-Universe on January 03, 2008, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: calico on January 03, 2008, 09:51:26 AM
These are from the Basic set.  I have 10 more to convert...of the middle instances.  Then there are 40 more to convert, including the young and adult.  Everything in this thread is from the middle instance of the tree.

Wow, that takes a LOT of time ;D
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: dhavalmistry on January 03, 2008, 10:53:05 AM
what do you mean by basic set?
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: nvseal on January 03, 2008, 11:03:50 AM
Me...want. If only they didn't cost so much.  :'(

Nice trees by the way.  ;D
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 03, 2008, 03:17:52 PM
http://www.xfrogdownloads.com/greenwebNew/products/libBasic.htm or the PDF -->  http://xfrog.safe-ssl.net/PDF/Basic_XfrogPlants_EN.PDF
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: dhavalmistry on January 03, 2008, 03:19:15 PM
thanx calico!
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Harvey Birdman on January 03, 2008, 04:57:35 PM
You know, every time I see the title of this thread, I think it reads 'xFrog Confessions' instead of 'Conversions'. Catches my attention every time before I realize I'm misreading it. Which makes me wonder, what is it about the concept of an xFrog 'confession' that catches my attention so?

???    :D
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Will on January 03, 2008, 05:01:28 PM
Into the mind of Harvey Birdman
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Harvey Birdman on January 03, 2008, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: Will on January 03, 2008, 05:01:28 PM
Into the mind of Harvey Birdman

... where the standard unit of measure isn't IQ, but torr...

;D
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: sonshine777 on January 03, 2008, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: Harvey Birdman on January 03, 2008, 04:57:35 PM
You know, every time I see the title of this thread, I think it reads 'xFrog Confessions' instead of 'Conversions'. Catches my attention every time before I realize I'm misreading it. Which makes me wonder, what is it about the concept of an xFrog 'confession' that catches my attention so?

???    :D

Perhaps there is something you would like to share with us. :) ;D :)

(...Subconsciously of course...)
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: dhavalmistry on January 03, 2008, 09:28:03 PM
guilty conscience perhaps?? ;)
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 03, 2008, 09:44:51 PM
Frogs.  Hmmm.  Seems like I remember there's an association between frogs and queens of the midnight pleasures...er, did I say that outloud?
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: Harvey Birdman on January 04, 2008, 01:20:52 AM
Quote from: calico on January 03, 2008, 09:44:51 PM
Frogs.  Hmmm.  Seems like I remember there's an association between frogs and queens of the midnight pleasures...er, did I say that outloud?

Yup - see, this is what I get for sharing the workings of my twisted mind.

:D
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 05, 2008, 11:41:18 PM
Australian Black Pine [edit-now with soft lighting]
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 05, 2008, 11:41:43 PM
Weeping Willow [edit-now with soft lighting]
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 06, 2008, 04:30:34 PM
Western Red Cedar
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 06, 2008, 04:31:07 PM
European Mountain Ash
Title: Re: xFrog Conversions [title edited]
Post by: rcallicotte on January 06, 2008, 04:31:55 PM
Lombardy Poplar