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Title: Turtle revisited
Post by: Kevin F on April 29, 2008, 12:38:15 PM
Tried this one a year ago but it always crashed 75% through, and I promised myself it would be the first one I'd render with a build that could handle the reflective shader o.k.
7hrs 45min on a two processor machine.
Anyone have any ideas for tracks?
C&C welcome.
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: rcallicotte on April 29, 2008, 12:47:15 PM
Oooh.  Oooh.  I love this.  But, try a source light really lightly this side of the turtle to fake as ambient light.  The turtle is too dark.
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Mohawk20 on April 29, 2008, 12:50:04 PM
Very very nice...

However, the green (seaweed patches?) goes over the stones, without keeping a sense of displacement, gaming the stones look flat like an imagemap under the green...
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Seth on April 29, 2008, 01:23:44 PM
good idea ^^
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Marcos Silveira on April 29, 2008, 01:32:59 PM
 :o Mein Gott!!!
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Kevin F on April 29, 2008, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mohawk20 on April 29, 2008, 12:50:04 PM
However, the green (seaweed patches?) goes over the stones, without keeping a sense of displacement, gaming the stones look flat like an imagemap under the green...

sorry I don't stand under ya!
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Phylloxera on April 29, 2008, 02:40:31 PM
Good idea ! The turtle seems "reported" too sharply compared to the rest of the image !
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: rcallicotte on April 29, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
Kevin, I think he was pointing out that wherever the moss is it is giving the appearance of flattening the stones under the moss rather than the moss being underneath the stones.  Maybe that's just a matter of where you are placing the moss layer within your node structure.



Quote from: Kevin F on April 29, 2008, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mohawk20 on April 29, 2008, 12:50:04 PM
However, the green (seaweed patches?) goes over the stones, without keeping a sense of displacement, gaming the stones look flat like an imagemap under the green...

sorry I don't stand under ya!
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Kevin F on April 29, 2008, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: calico on April 29, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
Kevin, I think he was pointing out that wherever the moss is it is giving the appearance of flattening the stones under the moss rather than the moss being underneath the stones.  Maybe that's just a matter of where you are placing the moss layer within your node structure.



Quote from: Kevin F on April 29, 2008, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mohawk20 on April 29, 2008, 12:50:04 PM
However, the green (seaweed patches?) goes over the stones, without keeping a sense of displacement, gaming the stones look flat like an imagemap under the green...

Yeah, but it's meant to be a seaweed layer on top of the stones! I guess it doesn't work then?


Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Costaud on April 29, 2008, 05:21:16 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: rcallicotte on April 29, 2008, 05:43:28 PM
I wouldn't say it doesn't work, but it does flatten the stones.  I prefer the moss.  I wonder if there's a way to just mask out the stones where the moss is...

Please understand this is somewhat picky.  It's a beautiful scene.  Is it rendered with the new Alpha?
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Kevin F on April 29, 2008, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: calico on April 29, 2008, 05:43:28 PM
I wouldn't say it doesn't work, but it does flatten the stones.  I prefer the moss.  I wonder if there's a way to just mask out the stones where the moss is...

Please understand this is somewhat picky.  It's a beautiful scene.  Is it rendered with the new Alpha?

Yeah it's the new alpha.
But where's the moss? it's a beach!!!!
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Mohawk20 on April 29, 2008, 06:05:29 PM
By moss he means the seaweed...

The stones look 2D under the seaweed, so you should find a way to make them look more 3D.
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: monks on April 29, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
Hey I remember this one- sweet! You may want to add a trail behind the turtle as well- they do move you know  ;D

monks
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: bigben on April 29, 2008, 07:20:37 PM
Re the seaweed: I agree that it makes the rocks look flatter. The green seems to cover any reflections? Perhaps you could use the fake stones layer to mask out some of the green on the rocks. Letting some of the rock show through should help to give it more dimension.

The small stones in the foreground have very regular spacing, almost as if they're placed on a grid.

As for a turtle trail... maybe an image map used as a displacement map.
http://tinyurl.com/4eecem (http://tinyurl.com/4eecem) should give you some ideas on shaping, although the beach loks a lot firmer in your scene so you wouldn't expect the tracks to be very deep

The reflectivity of the sand could be reduced gradually as it gets higher towards the dry sand, particularly in the distance where the slope increases but the refelectivity stays constant. This would add a bit more to the realism. Not sure about adding some water on the right... it would look good but a realistic water's edge on a beach opens up a whole new can of worms... maybe later  ;)

Still a great image  :)
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: rcallicotte on April 29, 2008, 07:37:46 PM
Darn. 

I meant seaweed.  Really I did.   ::)



Quote from: Kevin F on April 29, 2008, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: calico on April 29, 2008, 05:43:28 PM
I wouldn't say it doesn't work, but it does flatten the stones.  I prefer the moss.  I wonder if there's a way to just mask out the stones where the moss is...

Please understand this is somewhat picky.  It's a beautiful scene.  Is it rendered with the new Alpha?

Yeah it's the new alpha.
But where's the moss? it's a beach!!!!
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: inkydigit on May 02, 2008, 05:30:38 AM
very nice work...maybe adding a little reflection off the turtle's shell would make this almost perfect!
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Arandil on May 02, 2008, 10:13:51 PM
EDIT:   Now that I'm NOT holding a beer .. uh, it looks great man!   ::)
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: monks on May 03, 2008, 06:09:53 AM
....turtle tracks has been mentioned.... as has displacement for them....are you sure it was just the one beer in hand Arandil?  :D

monks
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: Arandil on May 03, 2008, 03:41:14 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: RedSquare on May 03, 2008, 08:46:40 PM
I remember this one as well, certainly agree you need a fill in or a reflector to lighten up the turtle.
Title: Re: Turtle revisited
Post by: choronr on May 04, 2008, 11:39:50 PM
You've done a great job on this one. We don't see many images like this.