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Title: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: FrankB on May 09, 2008, 11:38:47 AM
Hi there,

I have tried to simulate some surf, you know, when you're at a beach and the water is moving back after a wave broke at the shore. It's difficult to make it look entirely realistic, I think. Anyway here's an attempt.

(on a side note, it took 2.5 hours to render on 0.8 quality and 2/2 GI. I'm too impatient for anything longer than that)

I would welcome if you give it try on on your own and then let's discuss the methods. I've attached mine.

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Title: Re: Attempt on surf
Post by: rcallicotte on May 09, 2008, 02:35:18 PM
Cool.  Thanks, Frank.  I've played with this a little.  I'll download this, but have already reinstalled the last [previous and stable] version.   :P  When the next version comes out, I'll try it and hopefully remember to get back with you.  I'm sure I'll learn something from this, no matter.
Title: Re: Attempt on surf
Post by: Oshyan on May 10, 2008, 12:25:05 AM
Woah, now that's not bad! Are you going to continue working on this Frank?

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Attempt on surf
Post by: FrankB on May 10, 2008, 03:12:46 AM
Quote from: Oshyan on May 10, 2008, 12:25:05 AM
Woah, now that's not bad! Are you going to continue working on this Frank?

- Oshyan

Yes I think I will. Not his weekend though, no time to do so.
I figured that the white surf in the foreground is too strong. I like it best where it begins to fade in the mid ground, but that should be easy to adjust.
More difficult is getting the right shapes in the fractal, so that it looks natural, and that's down to pure luck. Also I'm craving for a built-in function that would detect shore lines (water meeting a surface, ground, stone or object). We'll see how far I and others get with this. I hope someone else will try to work it out as well, doesn't seem it's a popular topic so far.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Attempt on surf
Post by: Tangled-Universe on May 12, 2008, 12:30:01 PM
Very nice Frank! I hope you'll post an update soon and show us a little of your approach as I have no idea how to something like this (yet:))...

Martin
Title: Re: Attempt on surf
Post by: FrankB on May 12, 2008, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 12, 2008, 12:30:01 PM
Very nice Frank! I hope you'll post an update soon and show us a little of your approach as I have no idea how to something like this (yet:))...

Martin

there's a tgd attached, Martin.
Title: Re: Attempt on surf
Post by: Tangled-Universe on May 12, 2008, 03:15:50 PM
Oh crap, how stupid :) it's on the right and I didn't look there because I didn't expect something like that to be over there :) Thanks!
Title: Re: Attempt on surf
Post by: FrankB on May 13, 2008, 11:36:13 AM
Here's an update. How about that?

(small 0.6 detail render, though)

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Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #1
Post by: Seth on May 13, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
getting better ^^
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #1
Post by: old_blaggard on May 13, 2008, 11:55:18 AM
Yeah, definitely, it's looking a lot more promising :).
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #1
Post by: Tangled-Universe on May 13, 2008, 12:31:05 PM
Ah that looks very nice! Great improvement. Hope you'll post another update or high-res/quality version...keep it up!
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #1
Post by: ZStar on May 13, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
Yes, it definitely looks better.  I hope you keep at it.  It will probably be very difficult to make it totally convincing at this close range but it would be great at medium range and longer.  The "water" does not flow over or around the rocks.  I don't know if that could be done in an automated fashion with TG. 
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #1
Post by: rcallicotte on May 13, 2008, 12:57:56 PM
Geez, Frank, that last one looks like a photo to me.  I don't have the supercritical eye that some do, but I wouldn't know this from a photo if I saw it anywhere else but Planestside forums (or Ashundar or Renderosity or...you know).
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: FrankB on May 13, 2008, 01:11:34 PM
thanks guys - yes I too believe I'm on a good track :-)

here's another render (different seed, and a few adjustments). Personally, I am satisfied now. :-)

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Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #1
Post by: RArcher on May 13, 2008, 01:18:36 PM
Very nice and realistic, clearly proper beach and surf renders are possible.
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: moodflow on May 13, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
Looking pretty sweet.  I'd love to see this progress, though its looking well enough right now.
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: sflynn on May 13, 2008, 02:15:25 PM
Just marvelous.

Thank you for the step by step.
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: Tangled-Universe on May 13, 2008, 03:33:46 PM
Awesome!  :o Looks very realistic!
You only forgot to attach the tgd this time :P  ;D  ;)

Martin
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: rcallicotte on May 13, 2008, 09:19:23 PM
Frank, tell us as much as you dare.  I'm all ears.  This looks pretty awesome.  I want to learn how to do this as well.
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: Oshyan on May 14, 2008, 12:37:28 AM
I think you've pretty much nailed it Frank. Great work. :)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: inkydigit on May 14, 2008, 03:26:21 AM
very excellent foam!
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: RedSquare on May 14, 2008, 07:33:32 AM
Considering how close the camera, truly you have nailed it.   ;D
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: FrankB on May 14, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
Thanks guys :-)

I'm happy to share this tgd when I'm back home on Friday. Although, the difference between the first and the last really is just in fine tuning parameters, getting scales right etc. The concept remains the same.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: rcallicotte on May 14, 2008, 10:18:19 AM
Well, I'll play with the first TGD in the meantime.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: Phylloxera on May 14, 2008, 10:53:44 AM
Great work, too realistic !
Title: Re: Attempt on surf, update #2
Post by: choronr on May 14, 2008, 06:42:26 PM
This is what a lot of us were looking for ...thanks Frank.