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Title: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Phylloxera on June 10, 2008, 02:58:52 AM
Various modifications: work on water surfaces and color - on fake stones - addition of fish - (http://www.rendus3d.com/data/501/At_the_edge_of_water-2.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: darthvader on June 10, 2008, 03:02:22 AM
I really like the fish ;D I think some lilly pads along the shore would make it look like a calm pondish scene
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: rcallicotte on June 10, 2008, 09:35:04 AM
This is very much like a photo.  Good art!
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Seth on June 10, 2008, 10:47:20 AM
nice fishes and fake stones Phyllo :)
good improvement !
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: inkydigit on June 10, 2008, 03:26:27 PM
not only the water/fake stones and vegetation are excellent, but the lighting is too!
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Seth on June 11, 2008, 01:15:34 AM
yeah you're right, light's good too
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Sengin on June 11, 2008, 01:41:22 AM
Each fish looks great, but when you take both of them at the same time they look fake because they are in the same position, it looks extremely unnatural.  If there's not a way to change the angle of one of the fish's tail fin (the one further from shore would get my vote), you could at least rotate the whole fish a little more and it should help.  Oh, and the grass needs a little more AA, but other than that, good job  ;D
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: lightning on June 11, 2008, 01:58:15 AM
i like this a lot!
agree about the two fish though they do look unnatural since they are in the same position
the water in the distance is a little noisy as well
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Phylloxera on June 11, 2008, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Sengin on June 11, 2008, 01:41:22 AM
Each fish looks great, but when you take both of them at the same time they look fake because they are in the same position, it looks extremely unnatural.  If there's not a way to change the angle of one of the fish's tail fin (the one further from shore would get my vote), you could at least rotate the whole fish a little more and it should help.  Oh, and the grass needs a little more AA, but other than that, good job  ;D
OK have you seen a lot of fish in water, I think no !!
The AA of the grass just for your information : 20
Thank's for your comment !  ;)
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: otakar on June 11, 2008, 02:50:14 PM
Once again a beautiful image. I am very impressed by the rocks and the overall realism.
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: lightning on June 11, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Phylloxera on June 11, 2008, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Sengin on June 11, 2008, 01:41:22 AM
Each fish looks great, but when you take both of them at the same time they look fake because they are in the same position, it looks extremely unnatural.  If there's not a way to change the angle of one of the fish's tail fin (the one further from shore would get my vote), you could at least rotate the whole fish a little more and it should help.  Oh, and the grass needs a little more AA, but other than that, good job  ;D
OK have you seen a lot of fish in water, I think no !!
The AA of the grass just for your information : 20
Thank's for your comment !  ;)
I think YES!!! i have a river running straight through my farm full with fish!!!!
and i am down there a lot and i have never seen fish in the exact same position
maybe similar but not exact
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Mohawk20 on June 11, 2008, 05:31:53 PM
I've seen lots of rivers with fish, and a lot of times the fish swam very much a like, so this could be one the coincidental times where they are in the same pose by accident...

I like this one, the fish make it look more real.
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Mr_Lamppost on June 11, 2008, 07:56:00 PM
The scale of the waves and the way they are restricted to the areas away from the shore are a vast improvement in this new version, much more realistic. 

I am not convinced by the repeated fish.
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Moose on June 11, 2008, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: Mr_Lamppost on June 11, 2008, 07:56:00 PM
I am not convinced by the repeated fish.

I don't think it's unrealistic to see fish aligned like this in nature - but because we know it's cg we automatically feel the need to add 'some' variation to make it appear more natural. All said and done though, this is amongst one of the most realistic TG renderers I've seen - Imiage of the month IMO.  :)
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Phylloxera on June 12, 2008, 04:07:10 AM
The ideal would be to work by changing the image fish, but it has only limited interest.
I prefer to work on something else! Whatever?  :)
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: Tangled-Universe on June 12, 2008, 04:34:07 AM
Quote from: Mr_Lamppost on June 11, 2008, 07:56:00 PM
The scale of the waves and the way they are restricted to the areas away from the shore are a vast improvement in this new version, much more realistic. 

I am not convinced by the repeated fish.


I totally agree, great work on the water and the grasses look very smooth and detailed. I don't find the fish that distracting, though I understand the crits. Stones and textures are fine ass well.

Martin
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: jo on June 16, 2008, 06:56:09 AM
Hi,

This is a pretty cool image, it combines my work and play  :). When I'm not working, chances are I'm trout fishing. I went fishing for a few hours today in fact ( although I worked in the weekend to allow for it  ::)). One of the lakes I fish is really quite similar to this.

Not surprisingly perhaps, I've seen a lot of fish in the water. I have to agree a bit about the positions of the fish, but OTOH when you see a couple of fish cruising together I'm sure there are times that if you took a photo they've have very similar "poses". I'm sure Moose has a good point though. Anyway, it's a fun image for me to see.

Regards,

Jo
Title: Re: "The Edge of Water-2"
Post by: jo on June 16, 2008, 07:35:30 AM
BTW, I should add that those fish look hard to catch. From that viewpoint I would say they've almost certainly seen me already, and with that quite pronounced curve they may be about to bolt, especially because the water looks quite shallow and they're probably spooky. If I've kept still enough they may pass on by. With the water being so still close in I'd need a long leader and fine tippet, well degreased. As they're very close in I won't be able to put a cast between them and the bank. I'll have to try and somehow keep the line well outside them but still get the fly close because being fairly near the surface they'll only have a small window and won't spot things unless it's nearby. Probably a curve cast would be best, and I'd be lucky not to muck that up. It'll have to be gentle or they'll spook. Ideally I think I'd use a small emerger. Alternatively they may come to check out a large terrestrial plopped down nearby. In anycase, whatever I had tied on right then would have to do because they look like they're moving fairly fast and I wouldn't have time to put anything else on anyway. I could also wait for them to come back around and ambush them, but they look a bit more like rainbows which don't stick to beats in the same way browns do.

Regards,

Jo