This board needs to be flooded with this sort of message until Planetside offers refunds to every paying customer.
They need to offer the option of getting one's money back and opting out, or staying the course.
It has now been openly admitted that their promises of a stable, usable product in the reasonable future were lies. They never had any intention of doing what their sales pitches said; dates were given simply to keep the flow of license sales steady. (Damn right people would be unhappy if their real plans were known, and the most unhappy would be PS, because they're fraudulent source of income would dry up.)
As such, this entire operation and raison d'etre of this site and community is false; it is intended to further the fraud that an actual commercial product release is imminent.
Give us our money back. What you do after that is your affair.
FFS, Just go ask them for a refund.
Did you actually ask for a refund, or are you just gonna continue to post threads like this?
They publicly commited this fraud; let them respond to a public demand for a refund. I'm not going to hide it in the shadows for their benefit.
In other words, no.. very well
That's right - no.
It's right here in the open where everyone can see it. Right where it should be.
Did Planetside force you to post in a public forum "Why yes, Matt, I'd be tickled pink to have a copy of TGP deep edition" before they allowed you to prepurchase?
I don't see any difference in emailing them: If they say yes you can be all "Hey guyz, I got my refund, they were good about it"
If they say no, then is the time to post in the forums.
I think this immature effort to get what you feel you deserve is going to backfire, and only aggrivate the situation more. With that in mind, it'll be all the more difficult to get a reasonable response.
Just being a voice of reason, take what you will.
I understand your point of view here. I wanted to use TG2 for a feature film I did that was released 3 years ago. I managed it with the original Terragen and some other tools. TG2 wasn't available for me at that time so I did something else to get my work done. TG2 isn't what you were promised and won't work for you as it is now. So get your money back.
It's not a public demand, its you and maybe a couple of other users who want refunds. Go ask for it.
I'll tell you what, Zylot. You take your 32 posts, and when that number, and the time and work you've put into supporting this product begins to approach what I'VE put into it, THEN you can criticize my ripping on this BS operation.
Understand? After you've made about 30 times the number of posts, after you've put up web sites promoting their product, after you've spent a year and a half wondering when these clowns would come through, THEN you're in a position to contradict me. And not till then.
Get it?
Greg... I was plenty enthusiastic a year and a half ago. I spent months last summer developing a series of tools to take TG output and bring it into a simple game engine I was developing. All that time, effort and money was wasted because PS lied through their teeth.
Goddamn right I'm pissed, and PS owes me money. And I think that if the option were offered, a LOT of people would opt out. Just my perception of the situation.
Fantastic, I've remained civil and simply offered up a voice of reason, clearly supporting both sides of the argument, and what do I get.
"LOL your post count is low n00b"
Well, Apparently, when I have 30x my current post count (a clear indication of how much I work with TG and use their software, and a clear indication of my time spent here and on other relitive forums) then I'll have around 900 like you, and I'll have a grown a rotten attitude and tons of unwarrented self importance.
Well, forget it, take your crap attitude and have fun pissing in the wind.
Quote from: Zylot on June 25, 2008, 12:29:13 AM
Well, Apparently, when I have 30x my current post count (a clear indication of how much I work with TG and use their software, and a clear indication of my time spent here and on other relitive forums) then I'll have around 900 like you, and I'll have a grown a rotten attitude and tons of unwarrented self importance.
Well, whether or not the self-importance is 'unwarrented' (sic) is a matter of personal opinion. Except for that minor point ... yeah, it sounds as if you get the picture nicely. I look forward to seeing your attitude sour like the rest of ours has.
It'll be an honor to dissappoint ;)
...greg and zylot are right....just ask for a refund...all this shouting is pointless...
Greg, Zylot and inky -
Who cares if there's a final product? At least you can come here and fun.
Quote from: calico on June 25, 2008, 07:31:24 AM
Greg, Zylot and inky -
Who cares if there's a final product? At least you can come here and fun.
Don't start with me. I'm too busy to screw around with this.
Quote from: calico on June 25, 2008, 07:31:24 AM
Greg, Zylot and inky -
Who cares if there's a final product? At least you can come here and fun.
Calico...I am not getting involved... I have enough real life shit to deal with...just cant see the point in this!... all I am saying is that.
and to be honest all this hot air is not really fun...!
however I am having fun, and will continue to do so, and with TG I am willing to wait....it will come!
take a chill pill and have a nice day!
What is it with this disrespectful, "Take a chill pill." Dude, back off.
Calico, if you make your demands, comments, accusations, etc, etc, public on the internet, then they will be commented on. Some of those comments won't be what you want to hear, but they'll be made. Live with it, or make it private.
And when it comes to Harvey's demand being none of my business - the same. It wouldn't be if he'd made the demand privately to Planetside. Otherwise, it's an open discussion. This is not your private forum.
Calico...wasnt directed entirely in your direction, however, if the cap fits....
fuck you is disrespectful, take a chill pill is not...
chill out Dude!
Break it ups guys, neither side will convince the other of their position.
Sorry inky. What you said to me didn't come out appropriately and maybe I should just stay out of this for now. Things are harder, when it's online like this, so I apologize for my uninformed and caustic comeback.
Calico...apology accepted...I'm gonna go and lie in a dark room for a while!
see ya 'round
Jason
Why does everyone think I'm against them?
I whole heartedly agree that if you feel ripped off, you should go ask for a refund. I understand completely why many users might not be happy with the current situation.
I see the weasels haven't responded to this yet. Big surprise.
It's a small company, and they work hard. How are they so crooked? they've given us tech previews, which are quite great products in themselves. I know plenty of companies that would charge $200 just for the features tp2 had. And you say PS shows no progress and such, but what is tp3 then? they gave us it and it showed some improvement, especially with the introduction to multithreading, which helps ALOT. I can understand that some people are disappointed in the fact that the deadlines weren't met, but I understand that they are still working hard and we already have something to play with to make us happy. Well, at least I'm happy with it. If this was some fraud, they would be long gone before this. They already showed us they could make Terragen 1, let them show us how much more awesome TG2 will be when it does indeed finally release. It's nowhere near Duke Nukem Forever ;)
Maybe I'm more lax because I do TG for a hobby to kill time, so I'm really just happy with whatever. I would like a multithreading edition without a memory leak personally, but this is fine for now. I can understand that maybe some people who bought it for a commercial purpose might be a little ticked, but seriously... its $200 bucks. Thats almost nothing compared to a lot of graphics software. And who said you EVER had to pay for it? They have a FREE edition. The paying was for those who wished to show their SUPPORT to the company and preorder at better rates. If you don't have any faith in PS then you shouldn't pay for a product, use the free version until you see the final product. Personally, I'm fine with showing my support, and hope they can get us a final copy sometime soon, and when it is here i can enjoy my nice discounted software.
And seriously, first you complain they don't work on the product enough, then you complain that they don't pay attention to you here on the forums.
And finally... take a glance through the image section, and just see what this software is capable of... how is this some huge scam... by what? offering us a product that almost perfectly works and is 90% done, with 10% of bug squashing left? so planetside is just gonna ditch out so they don't have to bother debugging? They know they need to finish, and they are working on the bugs, which can be the hardest part of the program. And they already mentioned they have put new features on freeze pretty much and are working to just make it as stable as possible for rc, and then a 2.0 gold. And then they will start working on some of the other features they want in the software but were too pushed for time for the 2.0 release.
How are they crooked??? My god, have you been asleep for years?
I never complained they don't work on their project (I won't glorify it by calling it a product). They work fairly steadily. Unfortunately that is totally compromised by their crooked sales and marketing.
And if you really don't understand how they've cheated people, pay up and wait a couple of years. You may begin to understand then.
Where's my money, you worthless weasels?
neuspadrin:
Some of us have shelled out a signifigant amount of moola for what has been essentially a incomplete product for a very long time. Harvey sees a problem with this, I can see why.. I don't see why he shouldn't be entitled to a refund.
Thanks, Zylot.
I have paid, and they've had my money since last year. I may only have 30 posts, but I have been reading these forums for awhile before I even had an account, and once I created an account I didn't post but occasionally, and not more often till recently when I got out of school and had more free time to check forums and such. And so no, I havn't been asleep for years. I've been playing with the free version of TG for awhile, then played a bit with TP2 when it came out free version. It wasn't until last year I felt like buying it since release was near (well, as of then it was), but when it didn't come out I felt a little bummed but not betrayed. But I can understand how its currently going with the project. As I said first 90% is easy, last 10% is hard. Many companies release gold with so many bugs because they get pressured by users or they just have crappy programmers. Then you spend the year getting the other 10% in bug fix updates. However, PS is showing they are trying to be 100% when they complete so updates can be content, not just bug fixes. And their decision to support multithreading is one I support since it helps ALOT.
If you want a "gold" so bad I'm sure yes, they could rush one out the door probably today. But it would be a crappy gold with bugs still in it. Or you can wait, and get to see a real gold release.
I think the main problem is PS wanted to keep adding features and probably should've just frozen earlier. But the decision to do multithreading was probably the biggest pushing back of the release, and thats easy to see. But the fact its there makes TG2 soo much better.
And i know you guys have shelled out cash, so have i. and personally i dont see it as a huge amount considering what you get for what you paid for. TP2 and TP3 are quite impressive, and will hold me over just fine for the money i paid for. Hell, im a college student, and i managed to save it up and buy terragen at $200 bucks, and i was fine with that. It only took me like a weeks pay. it wasn't until recently i found out there was a student discount, which PS kindly gave me when I asked if I could have it.
And i believe you should be entitled to a refund, but don't expect to get a discounted price when tg2 does finally release.
Quote from: neuspadrin on June 25, 2008, 12:34:25 PM
And i believe you should be entitled to a refund, but don't expect to get a discounted price when tg2 does finally release.
I'll take the $200 in hand, as opposed to vaporware in the bush. I'm more than willing to take the chance; I don't think anyone will ever see a real product from this crew.
And Oshyan's business, which you repeat, of first 90% easy, last 10% hard is bullshit. If you make a statement like that you're just revealing that you don't really understand what's involved in releasing an actual commercial quality product, as opposed to a hobbyist hack job.
The first 90% takes 90% of the time and the last 10% takes 10% of the time. If you've concluded otherwise you need to re-evaluate what is involved in releasing a commercial product.
And what makes you so qualified to be the definitive voice of authority on how things should be, Harvey? Having nearly a thousand posts isn't a qualification.
Folks, please keep the discussion civil. We've never really had to lock any threads here and that's a testament to the overall civility and friendly nature of this community. Let's not break that tradition.
Harvey, if you would like a refund please contact registrations @ planetside.co.uk and they will take care of it.
Thanks,
Oshyan
Someone give him his money back, please ;D I think Planetside can survive with £100 less in the bank, there can't be that many people buying it as Calico said in the announcement thread so they must have some other form of financial sustenance.
Quote from: JimB on June 25, 2008, 01:29:42 PM
And what makes you so qualified to be the definitive voice of authority on how things should be, Harvey? Having nearly a thousand posts isn't a qualification.
Huh? Sorry, I'm afraid I don't follow you.
I'm sending my request to reg now. We'll see what happens.
I'm guessing he means that pure post numbers doesn't generate authority over others. George Bush thinks otherwise. :D
Quote from: PG on June 25, 2008, 04:21:55 PM
George Bush thinks otherwise. :D
Now that's low. What have I done that could possibly warrant association with 'W'? ;)
Ooh sorry, wasn't thinking ;D At least I didn't use Rummy or Chains Dickinson (Cheney)
Hay all, Well I do not know if I would call it fraud guys, but I would call it very very management at the very least and PS needs restructuring very badly if it is going to survive. As if there are that many of us good artists that are finally have had it and all the newbie 3d artists gave up on this software over a year ago, they really need to rethink what they are doing and had better listen to us the real end users or they flat out will go under within 2 years as you just can't run a company like this.
I had to close a Monthly contest on Renderosity because people started to really hate TGD2 and said it was to buggy and to hard to use, and they could not get there models in at all as well as other concerns. That was a year ago they got disgusted the regular GP anyway. TG contests still going there as it is a easy piece of software to use, and for the most part a finished product.
Also maybe we all should get refunds of the full price we paid for it until they really do finish it, then I would give a dam if they updated it or not, but when one has 400 bucks or so into all this, then it really gets kinda looking like fraud even if it is bad, very bad management teamwork that got them in that boat. That and they better find some deep pockets to fund the final part of this is it is a ducket issue and hire better people if not more, as more is not what is needed I am betting, but maybe better programmers that don't sit on butt all the time, but most likely it is the Management that don't kno9w how to run the company and that is what I think is killing them.
I for one think if they don't screw this up for us and start to listen to us, that they can succeed handsomely, but only if they get there chit together.
But I will save the rest of what I have to say on the other post that is ongoing as I have never seen so many bugs for a update in my life and I wanted to share just a small bit of what I tried to do today that should have been a no brainer with the build before the new build. Anyway I do agree with Oshyan that we keep it civil and not swear or any of that stuff, however we do haver the right to give our opinions and hope the PS will take much to heart and not blow us all off either on the guise of saying we are not being proper. So there is a fine line to this after all. So while PS is asking us to be civil, it is also time for them to respect us and be that way back in kind and start some real diologue with us and stop blowing us off all the time. There is an old saying which seems to have been lost in business. The customer is always right, remember that proud saying that went so far in the old days when people had respect for each other?
And in closing I doubt there is one of us that has paid the full price that is not upset with PS at this time and PS better understand that point as it is more then getting our money back, way more to it then that. But I am sure PS is working on a solution for us as we post so lets see if they really are our friends and care what we feel as their end users. Aye?
DeathTwister
Quote from: Harvey Birdman on June 25, 2008, 12:39:37 PM
Quote from: neuspadrin on June 25, 2008, 12:34:25 PM
And i believe you should be entitled to a refund, but don't expect to get a discounted price when tg2 does finally release.
I'll take the $200 in hand, as opposed to vaporware in the bush. I'm more than willing to take the chance; I don't think anyone will ever see a real product from this crew.
And Oshyan's business, which you repeat, of first 90% easy, last 10% hard is bullshit. If you make a statement like that you're just revealing that you don't really understand what's involved in releasing an actual commercial quality product, as opposed to a hobbyist hack job.
The first 90% takes 90% of the time and the last 10% takes 10% of the time. If you've concluded otherwise you need to re-evaluate what is involved in releasing a commercial product.
look planetside can you refund this guys payment and ban him from this site he is getting really annoying >:(
it must be the 20th time this guys started an uproar. dude there is nothing you can do about it so stop complaining!!
if you hate planetside so much get your refund,pack your bags and get the hell out of here >:( >:(
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Quote from: DeathTwister on June 25, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
I had to close a Monthly contest on Renderosity because people started to really hate TGD2 and said it was to buggy and to hard to use, and they could not get there models in at all as well as other concerns. That was a year ago they got disgusted the regular GP anyway. TG contests still going there as it is a easy piece of software to use, and for the most part a finished product.
You mean the
Technology Preview of mid-2007?
Quote from: JimB on June 25, 2008, 07:13:20 PM
Quote from: DeathTwister on June 25, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
I had to close a Monthly contest on Renderosity because people started to really hate TGD2 and said it was to buggy and to hard to use, and they could not get there models in at all as well as other concerns. That was a year ago they got disgusted the regular GP anyway. TG contests still going there as it is a easy piece of software to use, and for the most part a finished product.
You mean the Technology Preview of mid-2007?
Renderosity userbase is not a good measure of Terragen2. For my part I tried to enter the challenge there and it was just to damned complicated to enter; in fact DT you and I exchanged posts about my difficulty in finding links to the correct page for the challenge. I genuinely appreciate the work you did there to run a challenge, but I couldn't figure out how to enter.
Dave, I have refunded your $200.
Matt
Thanks, but it probably would have been better if you had asked for an account number first; it's probable that the account used to purchase the program is no longer current.
I will know if something shows up by tomorrow; I'll let you know.
Quote from: Harvey Birdman on June 25, 2008, 12:39:37 PM
And Oshyan's business, which you repeat, of first 90% easy, last 10% hard is bullshit. If you make a statement like that you're just revealing that you don't really understand what's involved in releasing an actual commercial quality product, as opposed to a hobbyist hack job.
The first 90% takes 90% of the time and the last 10% takes 10% of the time. If you've concluded otherwise you need to re-evaluate what is involved in releasing a commercial product.
you obviously don't do much in computer science. when programming you write 90% of the code very quickly an easily. the code base will work, almost everything will work. thats why we say the last 10% is the hardest, as to finish up the program its only small things left in thousands of lines of code. 90% of the final code is there, the last 10% that will be added takes much longer. its the little tweaks and finding weird bugs and finding how to replicate some oddities (as some only occur with certain hardware or settings, etc... you have to replicate or use bug reports and do your best to figure out what the hell happened and why it happened in the code, and then find a way to fix it without messing up other things or having to rewrite major bits of code).
so it really depends on how you think about 90% and 10%. if you think its 90% towards being done in a sense of time, then yes 10% is 10% and 90% is 90%. but as for project completeness and lines of code and number of bugs no longer in the code, 90% is almost everything working (our tech previews), and 10% is what takes a long time to squash all those things out. thats because the last little bit are the annoying bugs that can take forever to find. you can easily spend a very long time trying to trace through lines of code finding where one thing breaks, and then figure out the best way to patch it.
you got your refund, so be happy.... and they are such crocks, issuing their refunds and such. and if you are gonna treat everyone like we know jack shit about the world and how products work, why don't you also consider the fact you spew nonsense and are so damn condescending and refuse to accept other peoples view points, and maybe you are the one who doesn't quite understand the process and the circumstances. personally, with PS being so small, I'm amazed how well they are doing, and how good of a product they have already shown us, and how great the product will be once its finally complete. And maybe before going on the forums and accusing PS of being crocks you should actually EMAIL them requesting a refund before just slandering (actually, libel, but whatever) them on the forums repeatedly.
Quote from: Matt on June 25, 2008, 08:00:20 PM
Dave, I have refunded your $200.
Matt
That's great news. That means Mr 1000+ posts man (or whatever he was boasting about) can clear off now and leave the rest of us to start enjoying the forums again and use them for actually discussing the software and not bitching.
It will be interesting to come back to this thread in the future when Terragen 2 is released to see which members were doing all the bitching about release dates, vapourware etc
Oh and Matt, maybe you should keep Harvey's email address on file, that way you can send him a "Terragen 2 final is released" email when the time comes. :D
Well, everyone's happy!
But, does Planetside deactivate the registration of refunded products, or can this 'birdman' still fly right ahead and get his final release, when it eventually comes, using his pre-purchased licence file?
I hope not, I think that would be absolutely ridiculous and, if Harvey hasn't returned his refunded product to Matt upon reciept of his $200 reimbursement, who would look like the cheater/fraudster/theif then? Certainly not the company, huh?
Come back at me over this if you want, Mr. HB, but I couldn't really give a rat's bollocks what you think. All I've seen from your end is a little babby's puling and whining and eventually a wee-babby gets what he wants. I have kids already, this situation rings familiar.
Hopefully PS has the ability to take back their product once they've refunded monies to disgruntleds by terminating their license agreement/files, if not, I hope you have the decency to return and never use the product, that it now appears that you have stolen.
Maybe this is all pie in the sky and you had already returned your license? I don't know.
I do know, though, that it certainly doesn't look like you've amicably offered to do so to everyone reading this thread, the impression I've got from it leads me to believe that you just wanted the money back in addition to the item paid for with it.
Cake and eat it.
I know Oshyan fairly well having worked with him over the net for a few years now. There is NO WAY that you can justify calling him a weasel, a fraudster, a crook, a liar, etc. I know for a fact that Oshyan has helped application developers in the Community from his own pocket. He's also maintained websites for the community: not least the ME-DEM project, the Terrain Summit forums and the Textures.org; not to mention Ashundar, etc, with no expectation of renumeration. I do know that his involvement in other projects has been heavily curtailed more recently- well I figure that's because he's working so hard at Planetside.
I think JimB hit the nail on the head: Planetside should charge more for their product. That would solve a lot of problems pretty quickly.
I do think that a blog similar to the one created by Stephen Schmitt for World Machine would be a very good thing. Think of the occasional posts as patches, not code patches, but patches for community morale, sanity ;D, etc. Not putting something in place like that was a mistake.
The way you have conducted yourself Harvey over this matter has been wildly overblown. I invested in Planetside on Day 1: Deep + Animation. I just hope you have created here your final scene for Terragen.
btw there's a bug in your avatar: "Who's the man in the the suit?"
monks
Quote from: reck on June 26, 2008, 03:00:45 AM
Oh and Matt, maybe you should keep Harvey's email address on file, that way you can send him a "Terragen 2 final is released" email when the time comes. :D
Yeah. I'll be holding my breath for that one.
Sayonara, suckers.
I dunno if Calico is appeased or not, but it's good to see that alot of the recent uproar has quieted down.
Yeah, you can all go back to being quietly fleeced, like good little sheep. ;)
OK people nothing to see here, move along.
Only discussing this: "Planetside should charge more for their product. That would solve a lot of problems pretty quickly."
Charging more is not the appropriate barrier to entry.
It has been worth the money spent on pre-purchasing just to get involved with and watch such a wonderful group of individuals. Everyone gets so excited!!! Isn't it fun?
I thought prepurchasing was a bit of a risk - anyone with any experience of software from Microsoft up knows how reliable release dates are. Anyone who has tried to write software also knows that some problems just take a lot of time to put right. I assumed the risk was factored into the price and calculated I would risk it. It isn't a lot of money, even for you poor folks, when you think that it would just about fill a car petrol tank twice in the UK at the moment.
Calling people crooks and frauds seems to be going a tad too far even for a an avian but perhaps he has other problems. perhaps someone has objected to him using their artwork as his image or whatever you call them. (I may have broken some terribly important piece of etiquette by saying that - if so I apologise.)
Personally I want to benefit from my investment so would prefer the developers to develop. Accusations, whingeing and all the other flak doesn't help and just puts back the day of delivery. Who knows it may be that if I am deprived for much longer my personality will change for the worse and and I might even grow wings.
Amen. That could be the last word. PEACE ! :D
What I don't understand about all this is the guy who was whining the whole time got his money back.
However Planetside hasn't devised a way to deactivate his license key, so he's getting a free copy of Terragen 2... So now who's the crooked thief?
Enjoy your freeware Harvey!
Does this mean he'll keep getting links to the new downloads? I doubt it. His "freeware" isn't the finished product and he would need the finished file(s).
Quote from: Blonderator on June 27, 2008, 06:27:03 PM
Enjoy your freeware Harvey!
Truth, he can still use the current version... which is fine by me, and any updates he won't have 'honest' access to, so when the final product is released, he'll need to pay full price.
I'm sure that's something he's well aware of and has no problem with, so as far as I'm concerned this is a dead issue.
Quote from: calico on June 27, 2008, 06:43:10 PM
Does this mean he'll keep getting links to the new downloads? I doubt it. His "freeware" isn't the finished product and he would need the finished file(s).
Quote from: Blonderator on June 27, 2008, 06:27:03 PM
Enjoy your freeware Harvey!
Now that Harvey has his money back, can we now call this matter closed and have this thread locked as I think that its life should not be extended beyond the point that it has been; to keep this thread open would in my view only serve to deepen divisions within the community where in fact there needs time for reflection and healing.
The longer that we disuse this issue which is in my view a mote point, the longer it will take for that process of healing to begin.
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel ;D
I agree. Maybe the Planetside admins could put a lock on it to keep it from bouncing to the top.
Sorry for the bump.
What's funny is that the topic only gets attention because people keep replying. ;) We've never had to lock a topic before - I'd like to think this one will die out on its own. If it gets riled up again I'll reconsider, but for now I'm going to leave it open on principle.
- Oshyan
Hi to all,
ive been working with almost everything to get reasonable results on terrain-creation and beleive me, theres nothing close
to this software, even as "pre" as it is. if you work with A-3dsmax on heavy scenery (or whatever) your faced with so much bugs,
crashes and inconvinience but still have to pay a lot more... point: using the possible modules of the software for convincing
your audiance is worth the "little" amount of money...
Quote from: neuspadrin on June 25, 2008, 12:05:59 PM
... And who said you EVER had to pay for it? They have a FREE edition. The paying was for those who wished to show their SUPPORT to the company and preorder at better rates. If you don't have any faith in PS then you shouldn't pay for a product, use the free version until you see the final product.
I'm afraid that's not entirely true... Technology Previews 3 & 4 were NOT released in the free version. That's still at TP2! So the free version is lagging behind in new features and developments... :(
TP3's main great features was multithreading and transparent water. not much else happened, and the memory leak made it quite annoying to use at times. TP4 isn't out yet, but it will be soon. And the reason its not offered to the free crowd is for those of us who have payed and given our support to planetside deserve to see the development. Its one of the perks of offering our support to the product. They will give you another free version at gold, which is the only one that really matters in the end. Personally, planetside is one of the best with free versions out there of any program that i've ever seen.
It looks like Mr Birdman flew the coop a tad early;
[ LINK REMOVED ]
Shame really, frustration got the better of him, I think it's sad to see anyone give up the way he did.
343223 micro-triangles on the benchmark test (1.21 min)
Thanks Matt ;D
Quote from: mogn on June 30, 2008, 03:19:52 AM
343223 micro-triangles on the benchmark test (1.21 min)
Thanks Matt ;D
Sounds good, but without knowing the previous rendertime it doesn't say that much ;) So? :)
oh i bet he kicking himself now!!! the new release is brilliant!!!
Yea, I know he was frustrated...its a shame he didn't hold out a few days longer. :-\
Quote from: Will on June 26, 2008, 11:24:19 AM
OK people nothing to see here, move along.
LOL...this is the best reply in the whole thread!!