Well?
April. That's what they said.
Where does it say April? This is the last thing I read. Did I miss something??
Quote from: Matt on February 21, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
Our release in March will be the 2.0 final release (the 'gold' release if that's what you want to call it).
These are just some of the improvements (more will be included in the final release):
Lots of bugs have been fixed. We're still bug fixing, however, and this process will continue after 2.0 for inclusion in further updates.
Some georeferencing capabilities, and automatic georeferencing for geotiffs that have as associated .tfw files. This works well with geotiff elevation data downloaded from http://seamless.usgs.gov/
Fixed some shader bugs. Improved quality of GI in clouds and atmospheres. Options to extend the region in which ray traced polygons are fully subdivided (affecting shadows and reflections).
Incremental saving for project files (adds a version number an increments it each time you save incremental). Some other saving options in Preferences.
The 3D Preview has quite a lot of new things. There's a compass to show heading, along with indicators to show where your sunlights are coming from. There's also a measuring tool for finding out the distance between points in the preview. Distance to camera is displayed in the 3D Preview Location window. You can now navigate/move the camera using the keyboard. Animated camera paths are shown in all previews which show the camera.
Some new features to copy and paste coordinates, altitude values and slope values from the 3D preview into parameters. Other copy and paste functionality for vector parameters (e.g. object positions) and drag-and-drop for colours into text files, or pasting into other applications.
There are now checks to stop circular paths being made in the node network. These could previously cause a crash.
Added some new button icons, tweaked some old ones.
These are just some of the improvements which are already finished. We'll provide a more complete list soon.
If you still haven't pre-purchased a TG2 Deep license at $199 US (or $299 with animation), you're running out of time to get it at today's pre-release prices. The prices will increase with the final release of 2.0. Looking ahead, we would like to release a "Standard Edition" of Terragen 2 at a lower price, but we haven't started on that yet and do not have a schedule for release.
Matt
Whoa! I missed the notes about georeferencing. Link please.
Ho-De-Hum, lets put it like this if thus software where a cake it would be a case of its still cooking but not quite done; it will be done when its done and that as they say is that. Now ain't that the truth, Ruth? ;D
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel
Quote from: gregsandor on March 10, 2009, 09:01:15 PM
Whoa! I missed the notes about georeferencing. Link please.
Middle of the page http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=5635.30 (http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=5635.30)
Quote from: Cyber-Angel on March 10, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
Ho-De-Hum, lets put it like this if thus software where a cake it would be a case of its still cooking but not quite done; it will be done when its done and that as they say is that. Now ain't that the truth, Ruth? ;D
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel
Are you talking down to someone? >:(
Quote from: Cyber-Angel on March 10, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
Ho-De-Hum, lets put it like this if thus software where a cake it would be a case of its still cooking but not quite done; it will be done when its done and that as they say is that. Now ain't that the truth, Ruth? ;D
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel
agreed :)
What? Did someone wake up? Where am I?
Oh. That.
I remember March, but I didn't forget it is Planetside and they'll get it right. Here's to hope.
Just to clarify that I was not talking down to any one, sorry if it seamed that way. We can have endless discussions like these and to me they serve no end other than to get people irritated over nothing, I'd understand more if this thread had appeared in a few weeks with a day or two before the end of the month and there had been no word, since its only the 11th today seems a bit strange that it appeared now; akin to putting the cart before the horse as it where.
As an adjunct I don't put double meanings or other junk in what I write I simply don't know how, nor is it proper or good manners to do so; it as straight forward and direct as you would find me in person, that is to say I don't suffer fools gladly, tolerance of failure of my self or others is dealt with quickly: also I bite my tongue here, I don't in the offline world. End of Line.
Thank you for you understanding in this matter. ;D
Regards to you.
Cyber-Angel
I can wait, especially since I just sent in my payment for deep edition. I feel more at ease asking questions as a product owner than a free user. but thats just me
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Quote from: buzzzzz1 on March 10, 2009, 08:34:58 PM
Where does it say April? This is the last thing I read. Did I miss something??
As you probably know, Planetside works in "Valve Time" (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time). If they say the end of March you can be pretty sure it won't come till april. But I very much agree with CA here. Why create this topic at the beginning of the month?
they said March but they didn't say the year ;)
I have to wait another week before my money for TG2 even becomes available - if I miss it by a couple of days I'll be kicking myself like there's no tomorrow :o
...not that that was off-topic or anything. Oh, by the way, thanks buzzzzz1, I'd heard something about the 'Gold' release but hadn't found the thread.
Quote from: Shashin on March 11, 2009, 07:38:08 AM
I have to wait another week before my money for TG2 even becomes available - if I miss it by a couple of days I'll be kicking myself like there's no tomorrow :o
...not that that was off-topic or anything. Oh, by the way, thanks buzzzzz1, I'd heard something about the 'Gold' release but hadn't found the thread.
Well that's the thing. There is no Planetside thread from Matt, it was just casually thrown in somewhere in a topic about an xfrog release.
Well this is a little worrying. One can only speculate as to why Greenworks are making anouncements about Planetside products and development, hmmm I'm starting to wonder if theres more to this than meets the eye. Grassy knoll anyone :)
Richard
Crap.
Planetside? Announcements, anyone? Consider a sticky?
Quote from: cyphyr on March 11, 2009, 08:44:16 AM
Well this is a little worrying. One can only speculate as to why Greenworks are making anouncements about Planetside products and development, hmmm I'm starting to wonder if theres more to this than meets the eye. Grassy knoll anyone :)
Richard
You mean like Greenworks kind of "bought" Planetside?
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on March 11, 2009, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: cyphyr on March 11, 2009, 08:44:16 AM
Well this is a little worrying. One can only speculate as to why Greenworks are making anouncements about Planetside products and development, hmmm I'm starting to wonder if theres more to this than meets the eye. Grassy knoll anyone :)
Richard
You mean like Greenworks kind of "bought" Planetside?
Planetside ???
IQ dropping ;D Well there that thread recently where Xfrog said they were going to release more free plants for the terragen release and let slip that they would be releasing at the same time as TG2 which would be March 31st (I think). About a page of posts later Matt came in and "confirmed" it. To be honest I think planetside didn't want to announce it so soon because of the way people get riled up if the release is 5 seconds late, and Xfrog dropped the ball forcing Matt to affirm the march date.
@PG, you should be a news reporter. That was pretty succinct. Though, I'd bet Matt would recant that he was forced to do anything. ;D
I think Cyphyr may be onto something. And you guys did not honestly expect a March release, did ya? Past performance is relevant in this case. I am just hoping there will be a bit of a notice as promised to snag that pre-Gold price.
Quote from: PG on March 11, 2009, 10:49:11 AM
.... releasing at the same time as TG2 which would be March 31st (I think).....
Lets hope its not a day late :)
richard
ps I was only joshing about the conspiracy stuff, hang on, Elvis just popped round to borrow my Area 51 plans
People get riled up if the release is 5 seconds late,, Oh Please! I guess you don't remember in December of 2007, yes 2007,
when Matt announced the release would be on Jan 4th 2008. That quote is below:
Planetside Software is pleased to announce the release date of its flagship product, Terragen 2, for 1st quarter 2008.
Terragen 2 Deep Edition will be released on the 15th of February, 2008 and will be available initially in a download-only format.
A beta version will be released on the 4th of January, 2008 to licensed users. Final pricing for the Deep Edition will be announced
closer to release and discounts will continue to be available for upgrades from Terragen v0.9 and for academic use.
Pre-release pricing for Terragen 2 will continue until the 15th of February. The complete Animation module, with significantly
enhanced animation tools will be made available later in 2008.
Then one day before the release was to come out Matt came in here and said the release was being delayed. That quote is below:
Hi all,
I'm sorry to announce that the Beta version which was due to be released on the 4th of January will be delayed.
Unexpected complications have meant that I have been unable to complete some important work on the improved renderer,
and we feel it is important that the Beta should be a fully functioning test version of the final release. The length of the delay is
uncertain, but should be no more than a few weeks. The final release may also be delayed by a few weeks accordingly.
I apologise for the late announcement. Until recently we had every reason to believe that the Beta would be ready on time.
Did you notice where He said : (should be no more than a few weeks) That's been over a year ago! And you wonder why people get riled up? Give me a break! Ever time someone
asks about a release some of you give us a bunch of crap for asking. If you knew the history you might feel the same way.
I think by now we have the right to ask any thing we want.
Good Day Folks!
Buzz I've been here longer than you have, I'm well aware of Planetside's history, hence my Valve Time remark. Also Matt admitted his mistake their so stop drudging up the past. And no, I don't think we have a right to ask for anything we want, simply because this is pre release software, it has bugs, they need to be fixed. Yeah it took an insanely long time but that's what happens with software development. Planetside do a helluva lot better job than most companies who release pre release versions of their products (Microsoft).
I'm sick and tired of these bloody "consumer rights" lobbyists. You paid for a product in the state that it was in at that time, that means you accept the flaws that it has. It doesn't mean you have the right to demand fixes for things that they're trying to fix anyway. As soon as governments give people rights they think that it's God given and can't be refuted.
They're working on it, so sit down and shadddap.
"Agrees with PG" Drop the past. We do not need anymore 'Harvey Birdman' moments around here. Put the torches away. Just be patient. ;D
Quote from: matrix2003 on March 11, 2009, 04:25:10 PM
We do not need anymore 'Harvey Birdman' moments around here.
Oh that sent a shiver down my spine when you said that, we certainly do not want any more of those moments.
Quote from: PG on March 11, 2009, 04:13:22 PM
Buzz I've been here longer than you have, I'm well aware of Planetside's history, hence my Valve Time remark. Also Matt admitted his mistake their so stop drudging up the past. And no, I don't think we have a right to ask for anything we want, simply because this is pre release software, it has bugs, they need to be fixed. Yeah it took an insanely long time but that's what happens with software development. Planetside do a helluva lot better job than most companies who release pre release versions of their products (Microsoft).
I'm sick and tired of these bloody "consumer rights" lobbyists. You paid for a product in the state that it was in at that time, that means you accept the flaws that it has. It doesn't mean you have the right to demand fixes for things that they're trying to fix anyway. As soon as governments give people rights they think that it's God given and can't be refuted.
They're working on it, so sit down and shadddap.
Isn't freedom of speech great! Don't tell me to shut up! BTW.......I've been around and using Terrragen for approx. 9 years.
Quote from: matrix2003 on March 11, 2009, 04:25:10 PM
"Agrees with PG" Drop the past. We do not need anymore 'Harvey Birdman' moments around here. Put the torches away. Just be patient. ;D
Yeah I'm getting Deja Vu vibes 'ere..
I think that's the reason why he hid it inside the xfrog thread. That way those who dig could get a lil info on the release, without really officially having to say he was for sure. As last time it just created chaos.
Personally as long as I keep seeing improvement in releases that are stable, I'm happy.
Around when multicore support came out and was not crashing a lot like the first one, I was happy with the product overall, just needed some touchups and few bug fixes. Which it seems to be getting and can't wait for it soon. I'd rather have it slow and steady instead of rushed development.
I mean, planetside could've called the beta release if they wanted, they couldve called a few other tech previews "release", but they didn't. They have their own standards set high, and want a lot of nice features in it. Afterall, even after release they have a list of new little additions they want to get done for us, such as a 64bit version.
So far I'm happy because of the release of:
- multi core
- transparent water
- paint shader
- undo/redo
And one thing I'd love to see is the texture limit addressed, which he has mentioned.
I will make an official statement in this post:
I am very happy with this product so far. I bought Deep+Animation more than a year ago, and I really got my money's worth so far.
Bugs have been fixed and features have been added over the months. Since I bought it we got transparent water, multicore support, painted shaders, working rock objects (well, sort of), an a load of other stuff I'm so used to now I don't even remember not having it.
My point is, with this next official release nothing's really going to change except for the price. Okay, so the version number is changed, as it has over the last months every update. And we get more features and bug fixes. Same as every other update that is not announced...
So I can understand that you are eager to play with a new version, but I don't get all the fuss about this particular update. It's just an update, and if you want to buy it, you should be quick about it (or actually have done so already), because the price is only going up from here.
That's my statement, and you will have to do it with that.
8)
Hi,
Not really my place to say anything, but I don't want to see people freak out :-). Right now we're targeting the release around the end of the month. All our efforts are focused towards that. There's been a lot of changes since the last public release, plenty of bugs fixed and some handy new stuff added.
I don't think we're going to have everything in the final release that everyone wants, if we tried to do that we'd be forever and it's been a little while already :-). It's important to remember that although we're calling this a "final" release there is no sense of finality too it. I might ask for a little bit of time off :-), but aside from that it's business as usual. As soon as the final release is available we'll be moving on with further improvements. For example we'll start working on a 64 bit version. We haven't done that yet because it would potentially have caused quite some disruption to the code which would have delayed us getting to a gold release in a timely fashion.
So that's what's happening from a development perspective. We're targeting a release at the end of the month, doing spit and polish and getting things ready for that. It's definitely an important release for us but it is part of ongoing development. If something you're after doesn't make it into the final release then chances are good it will be in the next update after that.
Regards,
Jo
Cool. Thanks for the info jo. Do you know if there is a plan or schedule as to how future developments will be released? E.g. the animation module. It'd be good to have new features like that released in packs like Vue does.
um id don't think Matt really wanted us to know about the release in march because he was afraid something like this would happen ::) ie another discussion about terragens release date that always seems to boil into intense arguments :(
Jo will their be unlimited textures for models? so we will not be limited to 16 textures for each model?
Well..... it's just a target :P
- Terje
Buzzzzz, I see it, too. But, do we really care? I don't believe Matt is lying, intentionally or otherwise. Of course, if you think that, then it's another story.
Anyway, let's just wait. Whether we're right or not, cooler heads prevail.
Quote from: buzzzzz1 on March 11, 2009, 03:02:08 PM
I guess you don't remember in December of 2007, yes 2007,
when Matt announced the release would be on Jan 4th 2008. That quote is below:
Part of the problem here is that x-frog jumped the gun and got everyone excited when they posted this on Feb 21st:
"Press release, some free highend plants, are coming next week "
and still no sign of them.
Yep.
Quote from: Kevin F on March 12, 2009, 09:03:09 AM
Part of the problem here is that x-frog jumped the gun and got everyone excited when they posted this on Feb 21st:
"Press release, some free highend plants, are coming next week "
and still no sign of them.
Will they did, eventually, say that they would be releasing them alongside the Terragen 2 release. That's what started all this.
And xFrog said that because some of us were complaining about a previous update from xFrog that hadn't come true. But, come to find out, there were other plans.
Maybe it's because we believe we're closer to what is going on with Planetside's business, since we're on this site frequently and what is the reality? If Planetside wants to communicate another way via the other means of advertisement and press releases, they might just not believe they need to tell us who visit the website everything. Hmmm. Yeah, that could be it. Makes sense, too.
But, where it doesn't make sense to some is that we can't query vendors through our TV sets or radios or ask questions through a magazine in the same way we do here on this site. So we might expect more than we should.
I bet Planetside could want to reach out to more than the handful who are members and visitors to this site, though I bet they show signs of loyalty to us as well. After all, who else gets to talk to Matt the way we do and not get on Santa's Bad List? :P
Quote from: PG on March 12, 2009, 09:24:18 AM
Will they did, eventually, say that they would be releasing them alongside the Terragen 2 release. That's what started all this.
I love the software but hate the business practice.
I will say this one last thing: Anyone who thinks that the Business Models of Xfrog and Planetside are acceptable, well I feel sorry for you. I personally feel like I have been fed misleading advertisement for a long while now. Oshyan even said a while back that if they published how long this would really take not many would have invested in the pre-purchase. If that's not misleading and bordering on false advertising I don't know what is? I really didn't want to stoop to this level but I think it's called for......Now YOU sit down and Shut Up! PG!
I suggest it's time to lock this thread.
Seconded, there's no need to let this get out of hand.
And perhaps change the name of the thread to: 'The inevitable, "a native was getting restless, where was the update?" Thread'...
Agree with you Mohawk - And no restless native here. I may want to know, but I still barely am learning how. This proggy in comparison with the original separates the men from the boys, women from girls, whatever. When the whole she-bang gets public, the whole digital scenery-generating capability will be turned on its ear. I don't think I'll be able to grasp even a whiff of the totality. But to me, it's be like "I'm driving a car with over 400 HP and the speed limit's 60." Nice to know it's there.
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