Can anyone direct me to someone who will quote me for making this church (I painted it in oils for a book) into a quite detailed object, usable in TG2? I need to know a price first, as the project is still to come. Unless someone wants to have a go at it for free... Measurements and such are available. I do have something I brewed up in XFrog, but that's far from ideal.
---Dune
Hmmm...if I had time I'd love to give it a go with sketchup.
Are you familiar with sketchup? Sketchup is quite easy and very fast. The arch structures aren't that easy probably, but there are tons of tuts for sketchup on the net and certainly some which cover arch structures.
Martin
Hi Martin,
I know Sketchup, have tried it, but it didn't export object files. I also have tried some other 3D apps (3D Canvas, Anim8or) but never got the hang of it. There's probably someone out there who can whip it up in no time.
---Dune
Ah yes, totally forgot that the pro-version only exports models...sorry!
I'll make it if you like, looks fairly simple, (could be deceptive of course ;) )
I use Ligtwave and its made for work like this.
Since I have no TG usable PC for the time being, just this cruddy ol' laptop it'll be cool to have something to work on :)
Can you let me have as detailed as posible plans & images etc I may have to source my own textures but as it will be uv mapped you can aply your own.
:)
richard
made a quick mockup ..., couldn't quite qork out how the closest roof joined onto the main round roof. Plenty of detail to add ...
I use 3DsMax to doodle about a bit, and I think this is quite easy to do by using arrays for the middle part, and simple primitives for the rest...
I could give it a go after I return from vacation next week.
Hey Cyphyr, that's great! Already looks stunning. I'll scan the plan I have and attach it real soon. I'll get back to you.
@Mohawk; enjoy your holiday, Cyphyr may beat you to it. But grateful to you both.
---Dune
Quote from: Mohawk20 on May 04, 2009, 11:15:27 AM
I use 3DsMax to doodle about a bit, and I think this is quite easy to do by using arrays for the middle part, and simple primitives for the rest...
I could give it a go after I return from vacation next week.
I wish I had 3ds max. Then I would have given it a try myself.
Anyway.... looks like cyphyr is on the right track. Keep it up cyphyr ;)
- Terje
There I am again, with a scan of the plan. There's some measurements beside it. I guess the window holes are slightly smaller, but you nailed it very nicely allready, Cyphyr. The roof was actually made of lead, strips of it overlapping eachother, but that's too much detail I guess. There's one more middle rib/ridge from the rooftop downward in the middle of each of the 10 top sections, and also in each of the 20 lower roof sections, as you can see in the detail.
There's also an unobtrusive ornamental ridge just below the higher roof, but it's not clear how that looked. And I don't know how to interpret the spiral staircase housing that can be seen, maybe forget about it or think of some easy attachment. At the tower front side there's probably a big door. In the outbuilding there's two adjoining windows within each arch at the three sides. The windows are just holes, it was 1100 AD after all.
I hope you have enough information. Let me know if you don't. Many thanks, I'm much obliged for your effort.
Will you post the obj or mail it personally?
---Dune
Having fun with this :)
One question for now, are the arches straight at the sides as in the drawing, or gently curved as in the painting?
thanks
Richard
Well, that's very sharp! I should have painted them more straight, actually. The drawing is the correct version (so straight at the sides), my painting is an 'artistic interpretation with all its flaws'.
There wouldn't be very much textures, would there? The walls are bricks of about 30 x 10 cm, there's the lead roof and there's a door at the front tower (and perhaps a small door at the small staircase housing, if you decide to venture into that). So three. Perhaps it's possible to make the window/door frames a different texture, so I can attach a slightly lighter stone texture? They might stand out a lttle more then. But you see what you can do, I wouldn't want to ask too much.
---Dune
Here you go, I think this is about it :)
No door I'm afraid or Spiral staircase :) The door I could not see any referance to and the spiral staircase I could'nt work out how the roof would blend in. :(
The textures are all from CGTEXTURES:
ConcreteBare0182_2_S.jpg
BrickOldRounded0009_3_S.jpg
MetalBare0115_2_M.jpg
too large to upload but you can get them or more suitable ones there
That looks really fantastic Richard. I'd love to stick that up on a Spanish cliff side.
Thanks hehe I think however its suposed to be in the low countries somewhere :)
Oh here is the model.
Sorry my webtinet is very slow on my laptop so appologies if my posts seem slightly more garbled than usual ;D
enjoy and let me know if there are any additions or improvements you need :)
next please :!!
richrad
Hey Cyphyr, that really great. It's looking awesome. I'll have a go at this and respond to you real soon. The only thing I'm a bit worried about is the size of the window openings, the black holes. But if you don't want to change that, no problem, I'm really satisfied as it is.
And yes, it's a church that was only there for a couple of centuries around 1000 AD. in the north of Holland. But it would look good in a desert as well,with a couple of lonely trees, rocks and blowing sand.
I might ask you again ;D
--- Dune
ps. good luck with your broken down machine
Thanks, I did a quick google for info on the old church and could only find something quite rcent looking, but made the assumption of age and location from your rather accumplished oil painting:)
Its a very unusual design, the circular section is reminiscent of very early Christian buildings (almost romano-celtic), the tower looks Moorish and the "chapel" looks medievil. The biggest "fudge" I made was to squeze the chapel section slightly wider than in the drawings so it met the ring arches properly. Of the windows which are the ones you dont like so much? There are differant sizes on the differant sections. I've just noticed that you cant see the change in angle of the upper circular roof, turning OFF "smoothing" should fix that.
:)
richard
Hi Richard,
I haven't loaded it yet, but from the pictures you attached I notice that the windows in the upper dome are too big. It's quite a huge building, the outer 20-sided 'dome' about 30 meters in diameter. The windows were probably not much larger than 70 to max 100cm high and half as narrow. The walls are really thick is what I see from the drawing (this was based upon excavations); about 2.5 meters! Were the upper/inner dome starts (where the windows are) is about 12-14 meters up, that's really high up already. And the top of the dome roof is 25 meters up.
In my painting I put some figures beside it, they are very small in comparison. I also think the brick structure should be smaller to add to the sense of scale (as far as I can see from your picture so far), but that's easily fixed in TGD.
What do you mean by turning off 'smoothing'. I can't do that, can I?
I can't wait to load it in TG, so I'll switch to my offline side now (I have 2 XP on one pc).
---Dune
Just back from testing the church, but it's an .lwo! I couldn't load it properly in TGD. I also tried to load it in Wings and export it as .obj again, but it then showed the same flaws, as you can see from the render. Would it be possible for you to make it into an .obj, which I can use in TGD? I do certainly hope so!!
---Dune
Hmmm, looks like a few normals are inverted...
Hi Dune
This should work. You need to add the textures within TG, but it went in OK for me, had to weld a few vertices together in Max.
This is very exciting, I'll have a go at it tomorrow. It's late now...
---Dune
Hmm, sorry about that, Thought I had upped the obj not the lwo. Looks like the lwo importer is not working properly.
I've made a few adjustments, smaller windows, true hollow interior etc and I'll upload the final version later, tomorrow maybe, and this time I'll make sure its the obj I upload lol :)
Of course if Hetzes update works fine for you use that :)
Richard
Simply opening it up in Poseray and resaving as an Obj works fine as well. It looks great on the side of a cliff, just as I suspected :D
Just trying to help.
And learning myself.
I quickly opened it last night and it looks fine. In a minute I'm going to get the textures in and see how it looks. Thanks very much, I really appreciate your efforts. But I would prefer it if you'd have a go at the smaller windows though. I now realize I painted them quite large as well, but 'in fact' (nothing is sure) they would probably be not that big, not like more modern church windows. And indeed, Richard, it is a strange mixture of styles, but a very intriguing form as it is.
---Dune
It's perfect! Don't worry about the windows, if it's too much hassle, they're quite alright. But I would really like to have a door at the towerbase... would that be possible? I've attached a photo of an old Dutch chapeldoor, just for the idea. Something less elaborate would do, and preferably with one half of the dubbel door opened! Looks more inviting.
I found another interesting photo, I once made in France. I don't seek for this as a model, but perhaps you'd like to have this reference for some spare hours. It's a very strange ruin, very intriguing. I do have one or two other (much simpler, Stone Age farms) things on my wanting list, so I hope I may get back to you one day. Give me a quote if you like.
I look forward to an .obj with door if possible!
---Dune
And while you're at it Cyphyr, I need the Eifel tower, the Brooklyn bridge, a biggish oil rig (don't worry about the underwater parts unless you really want to do them), a few warships and Saint-Peter's all textured by tomorrow morning to put up for sale on my turbosquid shop. I very much appreciate it, man. You're a star.
Quote from: bertrand on May 07, 2009, 07:43:24 AM
And while you're at it Cyphyr, I need the Eifel tower, the Brooklyn bridge, a biggish oil rig (don't worry about the underwater parts unless you really want to do them), a few warships and Saint-Peter's all textured by tomorrow morning to put up for sale on my turbosquid shop. I very much appreciate it, man. You're a star.
Hmmm ... ???
Indeed... hmmm. Please note that I would be willing to pay, I'm not a beggar.
---Dune
Done now I think lol (it was fun doing this and maybe I'll incorporate it into something at some time)
The rar file is now 837kb so wont upload here, shall I email it to you?
enjoy
Richard
ps: never thought you (or anybody else here) was a begger, really some people!!
And hey if your making some decent money from this of course I'd apriaciate a share but I didn't do it for the cash, just the fun and you know its nice and rewarding to help people sometimes.
Yes, please. Looks very good from the picture. I already attached some textures to the other one and rendered some small renders. Thanks again! You can send it to pukeko-at-scarlet-dot-nl, but then without the - and of course the dot is a dot.
I'll think about you if I can make a deal that someone can't refuse 8)
---Dune