This sort of design for the basics of TG2 documentation would be very useful - http://www.eggswhyzed.com/messiah_docs/index.html
The Node Reference has that format, essentially. The main User Guide is written in a different way, so that's not entirely applicable as a formatting convention in that case. It will be available as a standard PDF, which enables offline reading and printing as well, an oft-requested feature.
- Oshyan
Cool. And I'm not rushing the timely progress. ;D
[Edit - Hey, by the way, how do we create an account to get into and modify the TG2 wiki?]
A simple download PDF Guide would be enough, but this seems to be a very hard way to get... the TG 2 launch was pushed in the future during the last monthes (or should I say years?), but a PDF file is impossible to bring on this site?? ??? ::) ??? will it come this year?? :D ;)
Quote from: calico on May 06, 2009, 07:47:34 AM
[Edit - Hey, by the way, how do we create an account to get into and modify the TG2 wiki?]
You just use your forum username and password. The wiki uses the same credentials as the forums
I tried, but couldn't get into the Wiki to do anything.
Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
I don't even think it will provide a great increase in knowledge if a documentation is real released.
It's not possible to give a complete overview about what shaders could be combined for what result. You will still have to figure out this things for yourself.
And what a shader does is something you can easily find out with some tests.
Also this gives you an idea about the effect of the different settings; which would be needed also with a documentation.
Ok, there are some points where a more in-depth description would be great, but this questions can also be posted in the forum.
Maybe i'm wrong and the documentation will provide every possible thing to know; but for now i have the feeling that some people are expecting too much.
dwilson, when do you get that error message? When you login, or attempt to edit? I just tried logging in and it still works fine for me. Is anyone else having a problem?
Quote from: Goms on May 06, 2009, 04:13:03 PM
I don't even think it will provide a great increase in knowledge if a documentation is real released.
It's not possible to give a complete overview about what shaders could be combined for what result. You will still have to figure out this things for yourself.
And what a shader does is something you can easily find out with some tests.
Also this gives you an idea about the effect of the different settings; which would be needed also with a documentation.
Ok, there are some points where a more in-depth description would be great, but this questions can also be posted in the forum.
Maybe i'm wrong and the documentation will provide every possible thing to know; but for now i have the feeling that some people are expecting too much.
Goms, I share your concern about the level of hand-holding that people seem to expect the documentation will provide. We are doing our best to make it as complete as possible, but we simply can't document much more than the baseline of most functions and scene elements because there are far too many possibilities, and even different methods of achieving the exact same effects. What the documentation will do is give people a good start, and an understanding of the user interface and functions. The node reference, when complete, will give people a good springboard for further experimentation. But again experimentation will always be necessary, and quite frankly there will probably still be a need for a good amount of testing, trial, and error. Nonetheless I hope the docs help people a good amount.
- Oshyan
Quote from: Oshyan on May 06, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
dwilson, when do you get that error message?
Oshyan, I can log in fine. It is calico that is having problems logging into the wiki
Sorry, just got the name wrong. ;D So Calico?
- Oshyan
Quote from: Oshyan on May 06, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
The node reference, when complete, will give people a good springboard for further experimentation. But again experimentation will always be necessary, and quite frankly there will probably still be a need for a good amount of testing, trial, and error. Nonetheless I hope the docs help people a good amount.
- Oshyan
If you don't mind, I'd like to add that TG2 is so great in this regard. I've spent the better part of the last few days experimenting and TG2 sits there and cranks out images even when I toss crazy node combinations at it. I'm really impressed with the stability of the software. I frequently crash Vue when trying to do anything that takes me off the beaten path. I can't tell you how important this is to my work flow to know that TG2 is going to hold up under my seriously noobtastic experiments. It's nice to see the final image and think "well, that render looks like poo, I wont do that again" where in other software my experiments result in a crash that never lets me know what happens if I try combo X.
Love it.
That's good to hear! I know that experience in this area varies, but we have definitely tried to make even unusual settings and combinations work in most cases. Usually memory use is what becomes an issue, and this tends to be when resolution and/or detail get higher. As long as you avoid that you can generally render almost any combination of settings. :)
- Oshyan
Quote from: pixelthekid on May 07, 2009, 12:46:21 AM
I'm really impressed with the stability of the software.
A Year ago i wouldn't have expected to hear this sentence about tg2. :D
Quote from: Oshyan on May 06, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
Goms, I share your concern about the level of hand-holding that people seem to expect the documentation will provide. We are doing our best to make it as complete as possible, but we simply can't document much more than the baseline of most functions and scene elements because there are far too many possibilities, and even different methods of achieving the exact same effects. What the documentation will do is give people a good start, and an understanding of the user interface and functions. The node reference, when complete, will give people a good springboard for further experimentation. But again experimentation will always be necessary, and quite frankly there will probably still be a need for a good amount of testing, trial, and error. Nonetheless I hope the docs help people a good amount.
I'm trying to write a basic manual about terrain-creation in TG2 since a few weeks, but its really hard to describe the possibilities in a "noob-friendly" way.
It's the "dilemma" which every Tech has: the more it can do, the more complex it is.
And TG2 can do an amazing amount of stuff.
Still having problems -
Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
all will be well, and here is why: PS can never ever provide full documentation itself. It can do a better job on it, but never holistically beyond explaning what each node parameter stands for and what effect it has.
So in my mind, the documentation of the nodes is going to be a reference, not more.
But that is not a problem, because more and more tutorals that come along will help with practical use cases, so that users will be able to really becom more proficient in using Tg2. In the end, the wiki will play a key role, with its user contributed know how.
I also believe that the time has come for more video tutorials. I'm sure it will happen.
Cheers,
Frank
Calico, I'm stumped as to why you're getting that problem. What browser are you using?
- Oshyan
Oshyan, I'm using Firefox.
Let me know if there's something you want me to try. I'm in no hurry to contribute, but would like to do what I can.
Quote from: calico on May 08, 2009, 07:43:25 AM
Oshyan, I'm using Firefox.
Let me know if there's something you want me to try. I'm in no hurry to contribute, but would like to do what I can.
If you put a random username in, do you get an appropriate error message ("There is no user by the name "asdf". Check your spelling, or create a new account.")?
- Oshyan
Yes. I used bologna_sauce and got this message -
Login error
There is no user by the name "bologna_sauce". Check your spelling, or create a new account.
If I login without the correct password, I get this message -
Login error
Incorrect password entered. Please try again.
Have I been locked out of this site?
Not that I'm aware of. Unfortunately this is a very generic error message and you seem to be the only one encountering it. We haven't restricted access to the Wiki to any particular member group, so that wouldn't be it. I'm honestly at a loss as to why it's happening. If anyone else is having problems, it would be great if they could let us know. I'll continue trying to look into this, but it's difficult without being able to reproduce the problem.
- Oshyan
Web sites are what I do for a living and this looks like my user ID has been set for an exception so I can't login to the Wiki site. That's what it looks like. Let me know when I can participate.
PERMISSION ISSUE - http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10703
I can assure you your account has not been denied access explicitly. What leads you to the conclusion that it's some kind of blocking on your account? It's a generic error message that could mean any number of things. Checking your account permissions, you are set exactly as the other people who have successfully accessed the system.
- Oshyan
I understand. To clarify, permissions are sort of a strange ground and don't need to be explicitly set in most of these setups. I'm not an expert in PHP, but that is what it looks like - a permissions issue, I mean.
Maybe this might help -
Where to set this error in the LocalSettings.PHP file - http://www.nabble.com/wgShowExceptionDetails-not-working-td9103927.html
Could there be something in the database that is different for me than other users? Or could there be a miscommunication setup between database servers?
Should I clear cache...cookies?
I tried on both IE6 and Firefox with the same results.
A long shot - Is there something in this following script that might be communicating something it shouldn't or that allows my account to be blocked or misdirected? -
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var stylepath = "/wiki/skins";
var wgArticlePath = "/wiki/index.php/$1";
var wgScriptPath = "/wiki";
var wgScript = "/wiki/index.php";
var wgVariantArticlePath = false;
var wgActionPaths = {};
var wgServer = "http://www.planetside.co.uk";
var wgCanonicalNamespace = "Special";
var wgCanonicalSpecialPageName = "Userlogin";
var wgNamespaceNumber = -1;
var wgPageName = "Special:UserLogin";
var wgTitle = "UserLogin";
var wgAction = "submitlogin";
var wgArticleId = 0;
var wgIsArticle = false;
var wgUserName = null;
var wgUserGroups = null;
var wgUserLanguage = "en";
var wgContentLanguage = "en";
var wgBreakFrames = false;
var wgCurRevisionId = 0;
var wgVersion = "1.14.0";
var wgEnableAPI = true;
var wgEnableWriteAPI = true;
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I'll keep doing what I can on my end. Now, I don't care about my contribution so much as why this is happening. A real mystery. :o
Quote from: Oshyan on May 10, 2009, 05:39:06 PM
I can assure you your account has not been denied access explicitly. What leads you to the conclusion that it's some kind of blocking on your account? It's a generic error message that could mean any number of things. Checking your account permissions, you are set exactly as the other people who have successfully accessed the system.
- Oshyan
Planetside (Oshyan), please let me know what I need to do. It's clearly something that is only affecting me and that means it isn't that difficult. I'm beginning to wonder about what I'm doing here. I'll do whatever you need me to do.
I need time to look into it. I think you've tried everything you can for now. The only other thing I'd suggest is creating a new account and testing with that. If it works with your new account then you must be right, some strange permission issue is occurring. If it does not work with the new account either, then... well, it will tell us something. ;)
- Oshyan
Hi, Oshyan. I created a new account and got in just fine.
The new account login name is rob_bullpucky. ;D
Thanks. That's definitely interesting. Permissions are identical according to the forum system. Different IPs (although your account seems to sometimes use the same IP). Did you use the same password for both?
- Oshyan
Different passwords.
Different IPs - home and work.
Interesting. Try setting your current account to the one you used for your new account. If that doesn't work, try deleting the new account and then setting your old one to the same email address (in other words the goal is to make it the same as the new one that works). I'm thinking it has to be something in the details of your current profile, but I don't think it's a permissions issue per se.
- Oshyan
I'll try today and report the results. Thanks.
Do you have some way of switching this all around on my end? I would think you guys are the only ones who could do that. If not, please let me know what I can do.
Am I getting a realistic feeling that my present account will need to be...axed? 8)
No way to switch it around. Did you try what I suggested though? You can just go to your profile and change the password, try that first. Changing email will mean your account has to be reconfirmed, so I'll do that part for you (right now) and we can avoid that. But do try changing the password to be the same as your new test account and try again.
- Oshyan
Hey. That worked.
Thanks Oshyan.
Interesting! So was it the email change (that I did), or did you try the password change too?
- Oshyan
I changed my password and...not knowing the setup very well, in this case...it seems maybe both things worked together. Perhaps a linkage of some sort. Magic. Maybe. :P
Quote from: Oshyan on May 16, 2009, 03:27:15 PM
Interesting! So was it the email change (that I did), or did you try the password change too?
- Oshyan
It would be good to know which one it was, but in any case we'll have two options for troubleshooting if it happens again. I'm glad it's working for you now, and I expect significant contributions in the near future. ;)
- Oshyan