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Title: Dust and Fake Stones (2nd render page 3)
Post by: Seth on August 26, 2009, 11:07:01 AM
I am working on some dust and fake stones...
i want to have some feedbacks from you guys.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: nvseal on August 26, 2009, 11:16:26 AM
 :o This is amazing. The detail is just perfect.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: aymenk2003 on August 26, 2009, 11:28:26 AM
If I m not in the forum now I wiil say that is a real photo...
Good work
(ça me rappel les alentours des chantiers de construction)...
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: domdib on August 26, 2009, 11:43:33 AM
Fantastic realism!
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: cyphyr on August 26, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
Stop posting photographs!!
Richard
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 26, 2009, 12:10:17 PM
;D
thanks ^^
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: cyphyr on August 26, 2009, 12:35:05 PM
Seriously though :) This is very good but I'd like to see it again without the soft shadows. Soft shadows can add so much "impression" of realism it can be hard to see the work thats gone into the displacement and colours.
:)
Richard
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Naoo on August 26, 2009, 12:38:05 PM
Hi

I agree with cyphyr post from 04:02:43


ciao
Naoo
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: MacGyver on August 26, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
This is absolutely fantastic, I wish I could give you some tips but seriously it seems perfect to me... and I have to agree, if it wasn't for the fact, that it's on this forum and that some shapes look familiar I would be hard-pressed to say anything but that it is a foto! :-* :D
Never in my life I would have imagined that dirt can excite me that much ;D
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: mhaze on August 26, 2009, 12:56:29 PM
Brilliant, all it needs are some tyre tracks!

Mick
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 26, 2009, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: cyphyr on August 26, 2009, 12:35:05 PM
This is very good but I'd like to see it again without the soft shadows. Soft shadows can add so much "impression" of realism it can be hard to see the work thats gone into the displacement and colours.


errr... you mean you want me to take off some of the tweaks of this render to make it looks worst ?! Oo
I am sorry but i am not sure to really understand... my point in using TG2 is not to make real things but to try to do good looking renders... whatever it takes to fool the eyes of people...
but if i have 10 other hours to lose, i'll do a render without soft shadows.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: FrankB on August 26, 2009, 01:26:54 PM
kick-ass render, Franck!  ;D
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: N810 on August 26, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
2 WORDS...

PHOTO REAL  :o
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: inkydigit on August 26, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
one word...speechless!!
8-)
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: cyphyr on August 26, 2009, 01:51:19 PM
Hehe, I know what you mean, if only we all had another 10 hours to tweak this and that. No, I only was interested in the simply lit version so I could get a better look at your technique for your displacements and shading. It would almost certainly not be "better" but maybe more informative ...
cyphyr
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 26, 2009, 01:55:43 PM
I understand.
and as I said, if I have some time to lose, i'll show you a version without soft light (and maybe without water)
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Walli on August 26, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
thats looking really great!
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: buzzzzz1 on August 26, 2009, 02:47:38 PM
Very realistic Franck, bravo!  Is that short dry grass bottom left or small vertical displacements?
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 26, 2009, 02:51:11 PM
small spiky displacement...
it seems i have better colours now, uh ?
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 26, 2009, 02:54:16 PM
here is the "no soft shadow and no water" version.
Ugly shadows... I really don't like it but I post it for you cyphyr.
I hope it is more informative...
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Volker Harun on August 26, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Franck, this is visually very effective! ;)
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Henry Blewer on August 26, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
To me the shadows fit the rough rock surface. You can tell the sunlight is low to the horizon. In hot sun, this makes long, harsh shadows.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Marcos Silveira on August 26, 2009, 05:58:52 PM
 :o Go to hell you fu**ing bastard, it's AWESOME!!!! What a patience, I imagine how much time it took to test all those details.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 26, 2009, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: ro-nin on August 26, 2009, 05:58:52 PM
:o Go to hell you fu**ing bastard, it's AWESOME!!!!



HAHAHAHA greatest comment ever dude !!! ;D
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Hetzen on August 26, 2009, 07:00:18 PM
Stunning Seth. The first one is photo real.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: choronr on August 26, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
Pure realism!!
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Post by: Gannaingh on August 26, 2009, 08:37:24 PM
Absolutely beautiful! Even after doing a twelve-take my mind still wants to believe that this is a photo. Awesome work!
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: folder on August 26, 2009, 08:43:10 PM
if God was a Frenchman - this is the world he would create - perfect!!! the best tg2 render to date - so many great details


david
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: CCC on August 27, 2009, 12:13:44 AM
This is very nice indeed. Mix this with some scattered strata bands here and there and some very fine soft sediment sand and who knows what else could be possible. The details alone make this spectacular.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 27, 2009, 01:53:52 AM
damn... thanks guys... never thought to get so much good feedback for this one ! :)
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Dune on August 27, 2009, 02:39:58 AM
This reminds me of some paintings by Ray Harris-Ching. He could make paradise out of dirt with some paint and brushes. He's my all-time favourite painter, so there's another compliment in the row.

---Dune
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: CCC on August 27, 2009, 04:28:37 AM
Here are some close-up photographs i had taken that perhaps might inspire additional ideas.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Henry Blewer on August 27, 2009, 05:59:35 AM
These reference photos are reassuring. I normally think I am being too monochromatic. ;)
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 27, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
thanks for the pictures. i can be very very close of the first one (just need to disable a surface layer) ^^
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: CCC on August 27, 2009, 01:43:12 PM
Both are some type of sandstone. One hard and one sandy sediment. These are probably three feet above the surface from the point of view.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: cyphyr on August 27, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: Seth on August 26, 2009, 02:54:16 PM
here is the "no soft shadow and no water" version.
Ugly shadows... I really don't like it but I post it for you cyphyr.
I hope it is more informative...

Thankyou :)
Of course your right it is better in the first version. It would be great if we had more control over shadows, the ability to mix differant kinds for example. Upping the GI Rel Detail would help but then you would be into days of render time lol
Great work.
Richard
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 27, 2009, 02:56:07 PM
did you ever try to put 2 suns at the same place but decreasing their strentgh ? one with soft shadows the other one without it ?
it might give interesting results ;)
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: choronr on August 27, 2009, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: Seth on August 27, 2009, 02:56:07 PM
did you ever try to put 2 suns at the same place but decreasing their strentgh ? one with soft shadows the other one without it ?
it might give interesting results ;)
Very interesting and coincidental, I am doing this on an image I'm now working on; and, you're right, the results are interesting and satisfying. 
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 27, 2009, 03:34:11 PM
yup yup ^^
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: rcallicotte on August 28, 2009, 01:54:46 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: choronr on August 30, 2009, 01:48:39 AM
Quote from: Seth on August 27, 2009, 03:34:11 PM
yup yup ^^
BTW, are you planning a 'preset pack' through Frank any time soon?
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Falcon on August 30, 2009, 03:30:45 AM
This is absolutely fantastic.

Have you thought about using these renders with a top-down view to generate terrain/ground textures? Think about the possibilities, the ability to turn a TG2 scene into a realtime scenery because you can use the same texturing.
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 30, 2009, 05:31:45 AM
same tgd, different place.
Last with this file as this state.  :)
it is not a final version of this though, but I want to do something new for some time.

@Falcon : sorry, i don't understand what you mean...
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: schmeerlap on August 30, 2009, 06:12:59 AM
Quote from: Falcon on August 30, 2009, 03:30:45 AM
Have you thought about using these renders with a top-down view to generate terrain/ground textures?
Quote from: Seth on August 30, 2009, 05:31:45 AM
@Falcon : sorry, i don't understand what you mean...

My best understanding of what Falcon is saying is that they be rendered from a pov looking straight down, or even orthographically, and then the resulting renders used as Plan Y projected image map textures,

John
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: FrankB on August 30, 2009, 06:16:48 AM
Quote from: Seth on August 30, 2009, 05:31:45 AM
same tgd, different place.
Last with this file as this state.  :)
it is not a final version of this though, but I want to do something new for some time.

@Falcon : sorry, i don't understand what you mean...

Franck: awesome render

schmeerlap: great signature :)
Title: Re: Dust and Fake Stones
Post by: Seth on August 30, 2009, 06:52:23 AM
the signature is great indeed !!! ;D
this will be a preset pack when it will be over.
right now, i am still testing its integration in other tgd. and trying to give different looking stones and sand available.