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Title: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: littlecannon on November 12, 2009, 02:14:11 PM
Hi all.... As there has been some nice Alpine scenes recently, I thought I'd give it a whirl. This is using the NWDA Alpine presets with some playing around. Clouds from the cloud library ("a storm is coming", I think)... again, messed with and I have HDR'd it in Photomatix. I am going to change the lighting, so any comments and critique welcomed.
cheers,
Simon.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: Henry Blewer on November 12, 2009, 02:56:07 PM
It looks like something Moses would climb to take some notes on behavior. ;D
Stunning clouds. Very good beginning. I do not think I would change anything.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: Kevin F on November 12, 2009, 03:09:54 PM
Beautiful mountain,snow and clouds. My on;y critique would be to have more "definition" in the mid foreground band of trees. They seem a little lost at present. Otherwise aok.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: littlecannon on November 12, 2009, 03:17:19 PM
Thanks njeneb and I think your onto something there Kevin F, cheers.
Simon.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: FrankB on November 12, 2009, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: njeneb on November 12, 2009, 02:56:07 PM
It looks like something Moses would climb to take some notes on behavior. ;D


Haahaha!!!  Very good

Littlecannon, great scales in this render!

regards,
Frank
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: Gannaingh on November 12, 2009, 03:49:39 PM
Hmmm, this looks sort of familiar  ;D I really like the lighting in the scene, although the clouds IMO could use some more tweaking. I am always a fan of mountain scenes so I'm excited to see where you go with this.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: littlecannon on November 12, 2009, 04:27:51 PM
Cheers Frank, and darthvader1... yes, it was your scene that inspired me to try this, I was blown away with the piece you created.
Cheers,
Simon.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: chris_x422 on November 12, 2009, 04:49:09 PM
Looking good Simon, nice scene, elements and sense of scale.

I think you're right to take another look at the lighting, there's a lot of pure white in the scene right now.
That has a tendancy to flatten the image and detract from all the detail and form you've got going on there.
It seems to be blowing out the whites in the clouds too.
Maybe try and reduce your main light a tad, and balance an occlusion env light in there to put a bit of blue in the shadows on the snow.

Hope that helps

Chris

Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: domdib on November 12, 2009, 05:31:42 PM
Good advice from everyone here, and a very good beginning. Like darth, I'm a big fan of mountains. More please!
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP
Post by: Jack on November 12, 2009, 07:32:12 PM
mmmmh the lighting at the bottom is perfect my sugesstion is is to create an extra image one with the lighting of the mountain at a higher exposure then blend both together in photoshop ;D
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: littlecannon on November 13, 2009, 02:20:56 PM
Hi Peeps... I have done as the suggested. Changed the lighting, added Ambient Occlusion, Lowered the sun power. I still have to give more definition to the foreground trees (not sure how to at the mo) and the clouds are a bit better... any further C&C welcome.
Cheers,
Simon.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: domdib on November 13, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
This is looking very good now - I love the really bright patch of sun high up. One question though - down near the bottom of the mountain there's some curious banded shadows - any idea what's causing it?
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: Kadri on November 13, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
This looks good Littlecannon.

The clouds could be tweeked a bit more i think.
But one thing made me curious. It is not important really. If domdib would not ask about the bottom shadows i wouldn't have seen this.
There are  some spots that seems like  stretched textures. But i think you didn't used any textures Littlecannon. Is there a strata node or is it just what it is?

Kadri.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: Henry Blewer on November 13, 2009, 05:42:32 PM
It has a very majestic look to it now. I think the clouds do not match the tree scale.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: Mandrake on November 13, 2009, 06:06:22 PM
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Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: Mandrake on November 13, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
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Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: littlecannon on November 13, 2009, 06:41:40 PM
Hi all... As said, it uses the Alpine pack from NWDA and I'm still trying to understand it. There is no strata node as far as I can see. I may try reseeding some smaller displacements to see if it rids the scene of the rips? in terrain. It maybe due to the buggy Alpine Fractal.

Maybe some of the NWDA guys can pipe in, as they may know what is causing it.

The clouds do need more work and yes your right njeneb the scale is out.

Thanks for the comments,
Simon.
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: chris_x422 on November 14, 2009, 06:21:12 AM
Massive improvement there, looking good Simon!

Other things I would recommend, would be things like, experimenting with the camera and composition, framing and focal length.
You'd be surprised how much more drama, grandeur and depth you can extract by utilising these.
I'd also go for a wider aspect on a shot like this, if the scene supports it of course.

Sorry if thats a bit vague. The shot is really progressing well.

Chris
Title: Re: Alpine Scene WIP UPDATE 1
Post by: littlecannon on November 14, 2009, 07:09:45 AM
Thanks Chris, your input is valuable.
Cheers,
Simon.