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Title: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Kadri on April 28, 2010, 01:58:34 PM

Bad news ! Hobbit fans any here ?

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni2250786/
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Henry Blewer on April 28, 2010, 02:00:56 PM
Oh, well. It's playing in imagination now.
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Rhalph on April 28, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
I want them to do the Silmarillion :P
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Kadri on April 28, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: Rhalph on April 28, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
I want them to do the Silmarillion :P

How much films could they make from it; 5 ? 10 ?  ;)

Of course in 3D !

I am curious when we will hear the 3D restored version of The Lord of The Rings ?  :) Did anyone ?
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Hannes on April 28, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Unfortunately not (at least me!).
Did anyone see some examples for 2D movies transferred into 3D in postwork? I can't imagine that the result is really as convincing as the real thing.
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: goldfarb on April 28, 2010, 05:42:38 PM
nope...
http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/04/the-hobbit-not-delayed-on-track-for-2012-exclusive-.html
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: dandelO on April 28, 2010, 05:56:27 PM
No, but I have seen an example of a 3D, rotund man transferred into the body of another... http://www.jc-news.com/gfx/PETER-JACKSON-BEFORE-AND-AFTER-AINDREAS-DOT-COM.png

:D

I can't wait for The Hobbit... Oh, wait, I have to.
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Kadri on April 28, 2010, 06:00:53 PM
LOL !

2012 is better , thanks Goldfarb :D
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Kadri on April 28, 2010, 06:10:29 PM
Quote from: Hannes on April 28, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Unfortunately not (at least me!).
Did anyone see some examples for 2D movies transferred into 3D in postwork? I can't imagine that the result is really as convincing as the real thing.

It depends i think how much they are willing to spend=work on it.
But in theory it can not be the same as directly filming in 3D. If you ask me of course.
...
Giving the work there is maybe a point where it doesn't matter so much anymore for most of the viewers .
But i don't know where this point is , or how to define it . Anyone ?
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: leafspring on April 28, 2010, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: Hannes on April 28, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Did anyone see some examples for 2D movies transferred into 3D in postwork?
I haven't seen any but they can't be very good by definition because every real shot remains 2D. Only the CGI can be re-rendered as 3D material and therefore have a 3D effect. Besides, there are some rules to make 3D really work for the viewer. Take Clash of Titans for example. Merely the CGI is 3D and even that wasn't planned during production so the viewer gains almost nothing from it.
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: latego on April 29, 2010, 04:15:36 AM
Quote from: Rimmon on April 28, 2010, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: Hannes on April 28, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Did anyone see some examples for 2D movies transferred into 3D in postwork?
I haven't seen any but they can't be very good by definition because every real shot remains 2D. Only the CGI can be re-rendered as 3D material and therefore have a 3D effect. Besides, there are some rules to make 3D really work for the viewer. Take Clash of Titans for example. Merely the CGI is 3D and even that wasn't planned during production so the viewer gains almost nothing from it.

Unless your sight is perfect you won't manage to match the two images. A couple of weeks ago, in a mall near were I live, they were showing a 3D TV screen. I donned those silly glasses and... it was even worse than looking directly at the screen. If this 3D stuff becomes widespread, I will stop going to the movies.
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: goldfarb on April 29, 2010, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: Rimmon on April 28, 2010, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: Hannes on April 28, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Did anyone see some examples for 2D movies transferred into 3D in postwork?
I haven't seen any but they can't be very good by definition because every real shot remains 2D. Only the CGI can be re-rendered as 3D material and therefore have a 3D effect. Besides, there are some rules to make 3D really work for the viewer. Take Clash of Titans for example. Merely the CGI is 3D and even that wasn't planned during production so the viewer gains almost nothing from it.

nope...that's not how they do it...
the CG isn't re-rendered as stereoscopic...the whole final film is processed to create the two different images...it's a hack and an expensive one.
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: leafspring on April 29, 2010, 05:17:26 PM
Well, I stand corrected then.  :)

Just had a short glance how they do it since I couldn't imagine how that is possible, but it makes sense. Obviously they virtually rebuild every scene to get depth information, mask important objects that shall become three-dimensional and generate an off-set image. Is that the standard way or just one way to do it?
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Kadri on April 30, 2010, 07:11:49 PM
Video: How IMAX Wizards Convert Harry Potter to 3-D

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/08/video-how-imax-wizards-convert-harry-potter-to-3-d/#ixzz0mczVu62w

Nothing we don't know , but the first video i saw about this method on a blockbuster .
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Kadri on May 31, 2010, 08:50:31 AM

Bad news!

" Guillermo del Toro drops out of directing 'The Hobbit' "

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/05/30/guillermo-del-toro-drops-hobbit/
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Henry Blewer on May 31, 2010, 06:13:40 PM
Sigh.... :'(
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Walli on June 01, 2010, 02:17:06 AM
that could be a "political" thing also. Torro is no fan of 3D, but studios are. So perhaps he was "convinced" to leave. But thats just paranoid speculation ;-)
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Oshyan on June 03, 2010, 02:24:47 AM
I'm not sure I want to see the influence of Hellboy 2 on The Hobbit... of course Pan's Labyrinth was quite a bit better...

- Oshyan
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Walli on June 03, 2010, 08:06:22 AM
I thought this could have been very interesting. I really like the visual style from del Torro, I liked Pan“s Labyrinth and also Hellboy a lot. And storywise I also liked both, one nice popcorn flic and one with more "impact".
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: otakar on June 03, 2010, 11:10:32 AM
Ok, I'll take it and sacrifice 3 years in stinky New Zealand :) Talk about a dream job. Still think Jackson should just get to it.
Title: Re: The Hobbit' Officially Pushed to 2013
Post by: Kadri on June 03, 2010, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: otakar on June 03, 2010, 11:10:32 AM
... Still think Jackson should just get to it.

The last news hints for such a possibility . I didn't post them because nothing is certain for now.
I think most of you know this already .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2010/jun/03/peter-jackson-should-direct-the-hobbit