I can never get my head around the type of hatred that fuels someone to do these senseless acts of Terrorism/Violence. These seem to becoming almost a trend in 10 past 10-15 years, I hope they catch the bas__ds that are responsible. Due to the small scale of this 'Thank God' I have a feeling its one of our own home grown nut jobs. (we have plenty) Anyway thoughts and prayers go out to the families who lost loved ones and to stop this madness. Empty wish in today's world unfortunately.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/16/explosion-reported-near-finish-line-boston-marathon-spokesman-says/
8 year old victim http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/martin-richard-8-loved-playing-with-sister-friends/2013/04/16/1e5c123c-a698-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html
Well Danny, I'd like to relate a few things to each other if you don't mind;
I don't know for sure whether these things are happening that much more often than, say, 10-15 years ago.
What did happen/evolved in the past 10-15 years is the ever increased speed and ease of access to information, which greatly increased our "awareness" of these incidents.
What I find disturbing about this act of violence/terrorism in Boston is the way it is hugely discussed by the global media.
By no means I want or am trying to trivilise this horrible incident, but these "incidents" happens almost every day in multiple places in the world like Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq. There it aren't incidents anymore, but rather daily business.
Many of these incidents are even more gruesome, if you wish or dare to relate them to each other.
Even back in the days of the IRA in Ireland something occured on almost a daily basis.
Did we care that much then? Or do we now? Don't think so.
Now some lunatic does this in the US and now we're all supposed to panic and fall over each other to be first to scream out it's all disgrace and shame? Sorry, no.
The global media gives this incident way too much attention and "credit".
I hope they get the guy who did this, so that the victims didn't die or got injured in vein.
Else, we should move on and get back to focus on the global financial crisis. (for example)
This whole same story applies to North Korea.
Important things are happening in the world in relation to the financial crisis, but we're made to believe North-Korea and the Boston bombing are much more important.
I am well aware of the global issues that have been going on now and for decades Martin, I certainly don't expect anyone to fall over themselves over this particular incident. Having spent a few years of my life living in the Boston area where my own Brother ran that Marathon several times this had kind of a "hit home feeling" to me. I am not the media, I am just a part of this community and wanted to share my personal thoughts in this regard.
My daughters o to college in Boston and were both there. My youngest 19' was a block away from the 2 blasts. My oldest 22was further away and is still shaken . The wife was on the phone calling relatives and assuring then all was ok. This is just madness,no matter where it happens.it just is closer to home when it is someone you know and now as you know me thru the forums you know them
David
Quote from: DannyGordon on April 17, 2013, 09:08:06 AM
I am well aware of the global issues that have been going on now and for decades Martin, I certainly don't expect anyone to fall over themselves over this particular incident. Having spent a few years of my life living in the Boston area where my own Brother ran that Marathon several times this had kind of a "hit home feeling" to me. I am not the media, I am just a part of this community and wanted to share my personal thoughts in this regard.
Thanks for sharing that perspective Danny :)
I understand your personal link here in this particular case and that this gives rise to a different kind of emotion.
I didn't mean to say you're the media of the course and I also only meant to give my opinion on this incident and the time after.
Seeing all those messages in the news and the social media made me think it was another attempt to raise awareness, which as you may have understood, looked overkill to me.
Now it seems there's a personal aspect in your message which I wasn't aware of.
I suppose that with the knowledge I have now from your personal connection, I may have responded a bit differently.
I know you had logical intentions within your comment Martin, what you said is sadly very accurate. No harm done.
Quotebut these "incidents" happens almost every day in multiple places in the world like Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq.
The US is not these places you mention. I am not surprised by violence in places like the above. But the event in Boston, be it foreign or domestic, signals a change in the status quo, that will effect a large number of issues both in the US and the greater world. For example, if it was a foreign born attack, it is an act of war.
Using lack of coverage in the middle east is not a logical equivalent to justify surprise at the degree of coverage of Boston. The coverage of those places internationally would increase if the killings stopped, because peace there would also change the status quo. There is no reason to make news of violence in Afghanistan, because it is not news. I say this as someone who has worked in a news room.
By the way T-U, I do agree with you that some stories are deliberately used to hide other stories for political reasons. It is a fact that this happens. It is the norm in every country on earth. And I agree with you that it is sad and disturbing.
The late 1960's to 1972-73 had a lot of violence. The USA is not immune from it. We were lucky to have a generation of people who opposed violence in the mid to late 1970's.
I can go on about the 1870's-1939, but there is not enough space on the forum for all of that.
Agreed. But we could go back to the dawn of man if you want.
The status quo by definition refers to immediate contemporary issues. Or else should we still be doing daily news briefs on Vietnam?
True. I take a historical perspective for things like this. It helps me cope.
I do not understand the motivation to do things like this. The end result does not justify the means.
Quote from: Henry Blewer on April 17, 2013, 02:59:42 PM
The end result does not justify the means.
It does for psychopaths and we have those all through our governments as well.
I was born in Northern Ireland. Bomb blasts were regular. Army all over the streets. You'd be in a store and it would come over the speaker system that we had to leave due to a bomb warning. Everyone would saunter out. This is how normal it was. My dad had to check his car for bombs every morning because he worked for a British company which was a target. Americans live in this bubble. Obama kills innocent people all the time. Of course this is the same in the UK. Supporting rebels to overthrow foreign governments when the rebels are terrorists. Many are Al-Qaeda. Th hypocrisy is total.
Iraq yesterday : 18 bombs, 37 deads, 270 injured
Afghanistan April 7th : 30 civilians killed during a wedding, killed by an american bombardment
medias covers : 0
And I don't even mention the 700 000+ casualties in Iraq, killed by the coalition.
So excuse me to be rude, but the way the medias over-react in my country is called propaganda, not news.
I personnaly lost a friend in a terrorist attack in the RER Saint Michel, years ago, so I can understand your feelings.
And living in Paris, I lived several months/years with the idea that we could be blown away in the metro or in the street, at anytime.
The american people must be in shock and I hope there will be no more death from that attack. And even if I don't pray a lot, I send prayers to them.
I just hope it was an internal business because I don't want our soldiers to be sent in another foreign country to kill civilians and steal oil/gaz/gold or whatever for the leaders of the "Good side".
Boston Bombing VS West Explosion: A Nation Conflicted
http://youtu.be/vm0OJZla-E0
As I write this there are explosions being reported on the MIT campus in Boston; roving gun fights and chaos. No one seems to know for sure whats happening.
The first time I was in Moscow, Chechens bombed the Metro station I used everyday. I wasn't there at the time, but in addition to being the largest city I have ever been in, it gave me a strange feeling I had never felt before or since. I certainly prefer living in medium and small sized cities to the giant ones like NY, Paris, or Moscow, or Boston for that matter. You guys who live in those places have too much trouble to deal with!
You know that Iran and North Korea are not thinking to themselves, "If we attack the US, lets make sure to get (name of small town here)".
Terrorists, crime, corruption, pollution, and on and on. Small towns are nicer I think... No one ever wants to come here and no one ever wants to leave. And No one has ever tried to blow me up here.
if you live in/near Watertown stay safe ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/boston-area-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Many comments in this thread kind of imply that America is some bubble of Love and peace and we are all together kissing and holding each other, make no mistake we have our fair share of violence and I admit our government like many others around the world are a bunch of corrupt bast___s. To boot we got a huge gang and organized crime problem that is spread throughout big cities and have been making its ways into small towns of America. Thousands of senseless murders are carried out annually. Many don't make the news. I'm not trying to play tit for tat, just saying, we as a world are all screwed up in different ways. I think that sums up this thread a bit IMHO, mankind is just self destructing themselves. Not giving up hope, its just a difficult situation everywhere.
The Boston police did a great job.
Hopefully, we'll know why they did that and who help them.
Peace.
What gets me about this (apart from the senselessness of it all, the unimaginable terror and waste) is the INCREDIBLE cost of the operation. Boston has the 12th largest GDP of a city on the planet. In terms of lost revenue this has cost the city over a billion dollars due to being closed down. I've never heard of ANY city ANYWHERE at ANY TIME being closed down so completely for ANY reason. I suspect there is more to this than we're being told. Possibly NBC concerns, one of the suspects was at a hospital after all (easy access to radiological, biological material). Can't abide conspiracy theorists but something here don't make sense.
Glad it's over for now.
Richard
I am glad its over with no more blood shed. I feel bad for this guy, the Uncle, heres an interview that sheds some light on this. He says some interesting things in this
http://www.today.com/news/uncle-mentors-radicalized-older-boston-bombing-suspect-6C9529666 (http://www.today.com/news/uncle-mentors-radicalized-older-boston-bombing-suspect-6C9529666)
Yes, I only shudder at what a more competent group of bombers could have accomplished in terms of terror. Hopefully this will not give anyone any ideas...
London Marathon tomorrow.
QuoteIn terms of lost revenue this has cost the city over a billion dollars due to being closed down.
This is really scary when you think about it. Several attacks drawn out over a few months could bankrupt a major city. Look at Detroit to see what a bankrupt American city looks like... what a nightmare.
Though Detroit was destroyed by 50 Years of Democrat party rule and policies.
Now thats a political question! Which is worse for an economy, Terrorists or progressives?
QuoteCan't abide conspiracy theorists but something here don't make sense.
But there really is a lot here that does not make sense.
For example, why would Chechens want to attack the US, when the only thing keeping Putin from nuking them is Western diplomacy. Putin has been demanding and kinda begging the West to let Russia treat Chechnya like Bin Laden. He has even publicly asked why The US does not send troops and intelligence assets to aid Russia, although perhaps indirectly.
So now Chechnya feels like it does not have a big enough challenge fighting Russia, but it also wants to start a fight with the US?
Well Im not given to conspiracy either. So maybe all Muslim separatists are suicidal? BEcause you know Obama is going to be sending drones. He loves Drones. He thinks Drones are the answer to every problem.
Stupid Chechens, or smart Putin? Now thats how you create a conspiracy!
and what about all those Blackwater's contractors ?
Was curious about them as well. From what I have read, it wasn't Blackwater. The emblem on their hats is associated with Craft International. One photo shows a man holding what appears to be a radiation detector.
Can I have a link to these photos you guys are talking about?
Badger,
Look at any of the photos that have been posted about the bombing. Look for men dressed in khaki pants, khaki boots, black jacket, baseball caps, and black backpacks. There are several at the site, both before and after the bombings. There are usually two men together, dressed alike. They are easy to spot, once you know what to look for.
Ok, anyway, Blackwater was broken up a while ago. The company that emerged is called "Xe", or something like that.
ahh heres something http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/fortune/0908/gallery.new_logos_redesigns.fortune/2.html
Not sure why privet security is making people paranoid though. I was an armed courier for a security company after school for a while. When I was in firearms training another company also rented the same training facility as the company I worked for. They contracted with "Homeland Security" and guarded buildings and property for the government. They were paid even less than I was.
Contracting out security is a viable option budget wise. And it would not surprise me if there were lots of non governmental agents at the run. Its quite normal from what I know. Having them there frees up the pros to concentrate on the more important security concerns. Though in this case, the "Pros" clearly failed.
I didn't see the kaki you mention, but Im sure it something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Blackhawk-Mens-Lightweight-Tactical-Khaki/dp/B002FKLJPI/ref=sr_1_1?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1357167566&sr=1-1&keywords=mens+tactical+pants
Perfectly common security work wear.
EDIT* Also good for hiking
And no I don't think Im an expert or anything. Its Just what I have observed from being in that line of work for a time. Interesting work, but worst job I ever had.
It's nice to read all the comments in this thread --- so touchy feely --- without addressing the root cause - the particular religion that has brought so much mayhem to the world for the past few decades
In Indonesia they kidnapped school girls and cut off their heads, and placed the severed head in front of a government office
In the Netherlands they murdered a movie producer
In Pakistan they kidnapped and murdered minority Christians
In the United States they brought down the world trade center and killed over 3,000 people
In Nigeria they killed Christians
In Spain they bombed a train station, killing many
In Thailand they cut off heads of toddlers
In UK they bombed subway stations in London
In Egypt they murdered the Coptic Christians
and now ... Boston
Sadly, Boston will not be the last city they attacked
The 200 people who were injured and the 3 people who were killed, won't be their last victims
More people will die in future violence brought on by that particular religion
Old Mr. Johnson had troubles of his own
He had a yellow cat which wouldn't leave his home;
He tried and he tried to give the cat away,
He gave it to a man goin' far, far away.
(Chorus)
But the cat came back the very next day,
The cat came back, they thought he was a goner
But the cat came back; he just couldn't stay away.
He gave it to a man going up in a balloon,
Told him to give it to the man in the moon;
Balloon cam down about ninety miles away,
But where the man is today I cannot say.
(Chorus)
He gave it to a man going way out West,
Told him to give it to the one he loved best,
The train hit a curve, then it jumped the rail,
Not a soul's alive to tell that gruesome tail.
(Chorus)
The man around the corner swore he'd shoot that cat on sight,
He loaded up his shotgun with nails and dynamite;
He waited and he waited for the cat to come around,
Ninety seven pieces of the man is all they found.
(Chorus)
He gave it to a little boy with a dollar note,
Told him for to take it up the river in a boat;
Tied a rope around its neck, must have weighed a pound
Now they drag the river for a little boy that's drowned.
(Chorus)
The cat was a possessor of a family of its own,
With seven little kittens till there came a cyclone;
Blew the houses all apart and tossed the cat around,
The air was full of kittens, but not a one was ever found.
(Chorus)
Yossam's comment inspired me to do a little google search:
http://www.naturalnews.com/039977_The_Craft_Boston_marathon_private_military_contractors.html
Hugely interesting.
I don't necessarily believe this straight away, but nor do I believe the mainstream media straight away either.
Even if I pretend or imagine the truth is somewhere in the middle then what still remains is a smelly business of what was actually going on.
In this particular case I think the guys in the jackets are actual real hired guards who were doing their job.
They have been seen before in other events, so in that regard not unique this time.
What's intriguing nonetheless is that they were using radiation detectors. Were they instructed for an imminent risk for a dirty nuclear bomb?
Or were they just having it for normal precautions? If so, why holding it in your hand when there's no "situation"?
edit: wearing those detectors is useless anyway if the dirty bomb consists of nuclear material which irradiates beta particles. Their range in air is in metres and with any kind of shielding, like a bag, it's detectable range is in the centimeters. Such a dirty bomb in a pressure pan is undetectable.
The complete city closed down. Everybody had to sit inside their homes to shelter for a 'dirty' nuclear bomb?
I don't think there's a conspiracy in the sense that the bombing was a false flag thing to cause panic which ultimately could aid in creating a more solid foundation/basis for more privacy- and freedom-reducing security laws or to further polarize society against foreign influences?
Common sense is trying to tell me it seems there was a threat/suspicion and everything is kept silent to prevent panic.
These days you just don't know what to believe...
Thanks T-U. That is the same article I read the other day. I tried to find it again for Badger and it had been removed from the site I found it on.
^^This is fucking stupid. (not you Martin/yossam, but that idea in the link)
What are gun fighters supposed to do when they leave the service? Its not like they learned engineering in between classes on escape and resisting torture.
If former special forces were on the scene, then this may indicate there was some warning of the attack to come. But any suggestion that they participated in the attack is stupid. In fact the news has been reporting that there was some indication of an attack, but nothing specific.
When I was in security I was 1 of only 3 people at my company who was not former military or police.
And that was a mid level security company (high value, but no Security clearance). XI and Craft do high value work that requires a national security clearance. I know because my company did the same stuff, just not in the division I was working.
Also, I would point out, that events like the marathon are often used for live training events. Chemical, bio, and radiological detection is necessary, and live training is necessary. Many Office buildings in major cities have detection units in the air quality control systems. The point is that this is absolutely normal.
I dont understand why people cant just except the real horror of the situation. Why is it not enough as is, that this stupid bull shit has to be added to it?
If there was a treat of a dirty bomb, it appears to have not happened. And if it dose in the future, Im glad as heck they got this chance to practice dealing with it.
P.S.
I just heard there was some kind of attack or attempted attack in Canada. Something about blowing up a train on its way to NYC today.
Quote from: TheBadger on April 22, 2013, 06:51:37 PMP.S.
I just heard there was some kind of attack or attempted attack in Canada. Something about blowing up a train on its way to NYC today.
Two men from that particular religion were arrested for planning to blow up the Amtrack Maple Leaf train service from Toronto to New York
If you do not know the extend of the infiltration of people of that particular religion in Canada and in the United States of America, and the level of support they have - all the way to the White House - read the following link
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/abdul-rahman-ali-al-harbi-bombing-person-of-interest-has-6-saudi-terrorists-in-family5-more-are-in-gitmo-47371/
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/04/22/suspects_in_toronto_terror_plot_arrested_sources.html
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/22/two-men-arrested-over-al-qaeda-inspired-plan-to-attack-a-via-rail-train-in-the-greater-toronto-area/
If you think Boston is the last city they gonna hit, think again
They are everywhere
They live in your neighborhood
They can strike at any target, anytime
The shootout pictures at Watertown, Boston
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These photos are worthless.
Have you made a render yet?
Quote from: TheBadger on April 23, 2013, 03:49:25 AMThese photos are worthless
All the photos, all the bombings, all these, will be forever worthless to you, until someone close to you got hurt, by people from that particular religion
By then, it will be too late, for you, and for your loved ones
Links to the Watertown, Boston shootout
Video Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RITYJAXpqig
Photo Link
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures
http://jesterscourt.cc/2013/04/23/boston-marathon-bombing-just-a-hunch/
Read what the tweet said
This thread went to s_it right quick, what's next Bush did it right? Black Water have had some issues because they hired a bunch of hot headed trigger happy X-Military guys that hate any Muslim, Ok we know this, that is a fact.. However I see no evidence that BW was involved in the bombing from that No-Name web based news link. I can look up on the web and find a post that freaking Bugs Bunny bombed Boston and masterminded 9/11, Truth is we have a security team in place at every major sporting or public event since 9/11 so yeah your going to see under covers react when something goes on, I'm glad they were there. Glad they killed the one guy and even more happy about capturing the other.
There all actors ? My personal fav
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-conspiracy-theory-skeptics-allege-entire/ (http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-conspiracy-theory-skeptics-allege-entire/)
Heres one with a disgruntled Sandy Hook Elementary school teacher did it??
http://thecount.com/2013/04/16/sandy-hook-dawn-hochsprung-boston-marathon/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThecounT+%28Celebrity+Gossip+|+News+|+Hollywood+Rumors+|+ThecounT.com+Celebrity+Mash-Up%29 (http://thecount.com/2013/04/16/sandy-hook-dawn-hochsprung-boston-marathon/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThecounT+%28Celebrity+Gossip+%7C+News+%7C+Hollywood+Rumors+%7C+ThecounT.com+Celebrity+Mash-Up%29)
Snopes growing list, Look at this you will see a completely different guy with a completely different style backpack and its being compared to the exploded back pack.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp)
Take your pick gentlemen and run with it !!
Quote from: Seth on April 20, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
The Boston police did a great job.
Hopefully, we'll know why they did that and who help them.
Peace.
They did a great job in locking down a huge city into Marshall law with thousands of armed goons, armoured vehicles and even tanks for a 19 year old who they couldn't even find! Then American people applaud them. They should have been booed. It would have been easier to simply get members of the public to capture the suspect. I know there is a % of Americans who do understand the agenda but so many are clueless. This is a tiny trial run for what is coming to America.
John Kerry is doubling aid to Syrian Rebels.
By the way, the US has supported Chechen "rebels".
Look into how most prosecutions for terrorism in the US are in fact FBI created by setting people up and some of these set ups went all the way through to an actual attack like the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing.
On the day of the bombings, there was an indictment of Obama, Biden, Bush, Cheney etc by a cross party group. There is a document which lays out how the US totally supported torture. The US government is now an illegitimate dictatorship.
There really isn't enough room to lay out all the criminality in a thread like this.
The US is not alone though. We know that. UK has a corrupt government as well and EU is corrupt. However, the US has giant impact on what happens everywhere else.
I said before that I used to live in Northern Ireland. If the security services had ever acted like these guys in Boston, they'd probably have had a civil war.
Only positive is that hopefully when America does go to a second revolution the governments goons will be easy to overcome.
There are also lies going on about what happened in that street shootout.
WHO is the naked guy that was apprehended?
And who shoots themselves in the throat to commit suicide?
Since it's obvious that the FBI had contact and was monitoring the bombers, how come they released those videos for the public to identify them? The FBI would obviously be the first to be able to do that.
It's all lies and coverup no matter exactly who was being led by who. The US government and security services and totally corrupt.
I heard he tried to kil himself by puting his gun in his mouth an pulling the triger....
and ended up shooting out the back of his neck (throat).
I believe the "naked guy" is the guy they carjacked.
QuoteI believe the "naked guy" is the guy they carjacked.
Did they rape him too? Why was someone naked? First I heard of it.
This stuff just gets stranger and stranger.
I have to say, even for someone who thinks the media is completely worthless and dirty, they really screwed this one up.
Before all this, I just thought they were all bought and payed for whores. But now I see they are completely retarded.
Everyday every news outlet is having to change something they previously reported, retracting everyday is a sight to see.
All the conspiracy stuff, corruption, incompetence of the US Gov aside for a moment, we will never fix anything until we get rid of the assholes in the media. ALL of them, not just the ones you happen to not like. I don't know what we can replace them with, the internet is clearly no better based on this thread. But something has to change.
Maybe we can just make them change ownership and leaders or something. Its just really ridiculous.
The papers, CNN, MSNBC all the rest. Just Stupid. Cant depend on anyone anymore.
MSNBC was even praying out loud that the killers would turn out to be white american republicans, so that they could say look how crazy white republicans are. What a bunch of shit.
It seems some chose to believe the Media when it fits their political or worldly views, ... This just in! The Media is just as corrupt if not more than all the governments mentioned in this thread. So my question is why are you believing what the media says?? Its all nonsense
efflux : they did a great job by taking him alive.
I really thought they will just do like US cops usually do on news TV : shoot, reload and shoot again.
Police do not decide the marshall law and to close the city, the politics do.
That said, of course the USA help Chechnya islamists !
those rebels are the Russian's enemy. And maybe I am wrong, but Putin seems to be the devil in a lot of our occidental gvts...
They help them like they help the talibans against USSR... remember ?
I agree with you : all our governments are corrupted. We should really get rid of them all.
And Penang is a stupid a**hole, always spitting on muslims, and trying to make us believe exactly what stupid people in a lot of our gvt or politics say.
Considering that americans are protestant and that their army killed almost 1 million people between Iraq and Afghanistan, can you really say that the muslims are worse than that ?!
Cut your bullsh*t
Go make a render, Penang, and leave us alone.
Quote from: Seth on April 25, 2013, 01:05:21 PM
efflux : they did a great job by taking him alive.
I really thought they will just do like US cops usually do on news TV : shoot, reload and shoot again.
Police do not decide the marshall law and to close the city, the politics do.
That said, of course the USA help Chechnya islamists !
those rebels are the Russian's enemy. And maybe I am wrong, but Putin seems to be the devil in a lot of our occidental gvts...
They help them like they help the talibans against USSR... remember ?
I agree with you : all our governments are corrupted. We should really get rid of them all.
And Penang is a stupid a**hole, always spitting on muslims, and trying to make us believe exactly what stupid people in a lot of our gvt or politics say.
Considering that americans are protestant and that their army killed almost 1 million people between Iraq and Afghanistan, can you really say that the muslims are worse than that ?!
Cut your bullsh*t
Go make a render, Penang, and leave us alone.
The problem is that the US and other European countries use these rebels or terrorists as suits to destabilize countries as divide and conquer and allow imposition of tyranny at home due to terrorist blowback. Many are Al-Qaeda yet Al-Qaeda are the enemy I thought? It's like 1984. We're at war with Eastasia then we're at war with Eurasia. George Orwell clearly had huge understanding of the system. What they want to impose is in his book. Winston is given a book with hidden pages. The hidden book is called "The Theory And Practice Oligarchical Collectivism". This is in absolute opposition to the founding principles of the US. That is why the prime aim is to eventually destroy the US but at the same time the US is used to advance the agenda.
If you go around the net you will see than many Americans now actually totally oppose the very founding principles of America even if they don't know it. That's the effect of a media that completely brainwashes people. Obviously those founding fathers such as Thomas Jefferson had it all wrong when they made such statements as follows:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
When will people wake up and listen to these statements.
Here's the kind of infantile crap that poses as mainstream media in the US. This is aimed at idiots but it's a reflection of the stupidity of most people that this even gets broadcast. Nowhere does this despicable presenter actually challenge a real question properly but lumps it all in as conspiracy theory. A comic book as the official story behind 9/11? That just about sums it up. Sadly, the British ruling class who laugh at the stupidity of Americans are are actually right. The take down of America will be easy as pie.
http://www.infowars.com/rachel-maddow-froths-over-boston-false-flag-and-alex-jones/
Then we have jerks like this on US media. Piers Morgan is probably one of the most hated persons in the UK. Probably only beaten by Tony Blair - THE most hated person in the UK. That's why Morgan is in America now. Why do Americans put up with assholes like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF0h0zxB1g
I'll give you an example of how many Americans have no clue about what America stood for at one time. You'll hear Americans on all sorts of economic sites talking about how the Fed is solving the US economic problems or at least stopping a depression. When some people rebuff this idea because the money is not backed by anything, it's just printed at will, the fools that support the Fed will say that the money is backed by the future wealth, assets and productivity of the people. That is how it's supposed to work but it doesn't because the Fed is an Oligarchical tool. they DO NOT care about the future wealth, assets and productivity of the people. They want the value of money to be backed simply by their means of creating and destroying it. They don't care if people starve to death. Any wealth people gain from their own productivity due to the people controlling the issuance of money is actually an impediment to the Oligarch control - see Thomas Jefferson quote above. This is the British Empire monetary model which is exactly why the American Revolution happened. Private bankers are parasites if they have control of the money supply. Their sole aim is to sustain the Oligarchy. An Oligarchy has no other purpose than to sustain itself by parasiting off others. The British Royal Family has always been the ultimate emblem of this evil.
damn efflux ! It seems we share the same views on politics :)
Changed my mind.
Software is updated! Im going to play with it. Which is better than playing with my self... Mostly.
Here is another enlightening video based on this post.
http://youtu.be/5KFCtdOF7oA
I would reply more often here but my life has been a mess and trying to get it in order has been hard. I can rightly blame Government on a lot of that to. Of course i am not perfect but at least i try and fix that after i admit it. Does Government fix anything? Everything they touch seems to fall apart. Spoken from a fellow who also disapproves all of Government who listens to John Lennox to relax in the late nights in these hard times.
No offense to anyone intended. But my immediate reaction to seeing the blasts on TV was "Some kid set off a couple of fire crackers that are a little too big to be reasonable pranks. The joke is not very funny". Well, a couple people died from it and there were a lot of injuries. That's getting serious. But the media's coverage makes out that it is comparable to 9/11. They should save words like "horrendous" for the really bad stuff. I suppose they don't have enough violence going on right now so they have to give it full volume regardless of how big the danger/damage really was. That's journalism for you.