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Title: Le Tour
Post by: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 09:03:12 AM
So Vino's a doper, Rasmussen is a cheat... and now the ETA is bombing the course. Kind of makes you wonder why they bother; the sport is pretty much DOA anyway. I used to race as a licensed amateur, I'm a cycling fanatic, and this morning I won't even turn on the tube to watch the race. I'm afraid Phil and Paul are going to have to do without me in the audience from now on.

>:( >:( >:(
:P
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 25, 2007, 11:10:53 AM
Rasmussen doesnt cheat,he just missed some things,but many of these are missed :) Im heavily disappointed by Vinokourov... But he did the same thing as Landis previous year,so we could expect it :) GO EVANS GO!!  ;D
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: cyphyr on July 25, 2007, 11:36:06 AM
I've heard of doping and dope (don't agree with either but I can kind of understand it) but never blood doping, what kinda vampire shit is this!!
Richard
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 25, 2007, 11:40:27 AM
As far as i know,it helps the oxygen to circulate faster in the blood or something like that :-\
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: rcallicotte on July 25, 2007, 12:36:05 PM
How creepishly devlish.  I guess.  What's the big deal?
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 25, 2007, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: calico on July 25, 2007, 12:36:05 PM
How creepishly devlish.  I guess.  What's the big deal?

He cheated (to win) in the number one cycling event in the world

Edit: added some things
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 01:55:11 PM
Calico & Cyphr - Blood doping increases the amount of oxygen the blood will carry, increasing endurance. I agree, seriously bizarre. The things people will do to themselves to win a bike race.  :o

Mavcat - Yeah, I really liked Vino too. That's why I'm so disgusted. Maybe it's bs, maybe Landis' case was bs, maybe they're all victims of lousy lab work by prejudiced technicians, but I have a hard time believing it. If Landis had any credibility going into his appeal hearing it was shot with the crap about Lemond. I tend to agree with the tour director - the whole thing is so deeply #$%ed up that they really need to rethink the whole control strategy from bottom to top. As for Rasmussen... he's basically getting off on a technicality. He missed 3 tests within a year. Normally, missing 3 within 18 months would be equivalent to a positive test, but only if the three tests were required by the same testing organization. Two that he missed were for the Danish Cycling federation, one was for the UCI (or WADA, I forget), so he gets to slide. Phil and Paul were scolding the Danes for suspending him anyway; I wonder if they changed their tune today.
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 25, 2007, 02:04:28 PM
Quote from: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 01:55:11 PM

Mavcat - Yeah, I really liked Vino too. That's why I'm so disgusted. Maybe it's bs, maybe Landis' case was bs, maybe they're all victims of lousy lab work by prejudiced technicians, but I have a hard time believing it. If Landis had any credibility going into his appeal hearing it was shot with the crap about Lemond. I tend to agree with the tour director - the whole thing is so deeply #$%ed up that they really need to rethink the whole control strategy from bottom to top. As for Rasmussen... he's basically getting off on a technicality. He missed 3 tests within a year. Normally, missing 3 within 18 months would be equivalent to a positive test, but only if the three tests were required by the same testing organization. Two that he missed were for the Danish Cycling federation, one was for the UCI (or WADA, I forget), so he gets to slide. Phil and Paul were scolding the Danes for suspending him anyway; I wonder if they changed their tune today.

I didn't like Vino that much :P (Go Evans! Too bad he lost time again today :( ) But Vino was in my eyes someone I was almost sure about that he was clean... But can we trust the lab? We know French people hate it if an outsider wins the Tour (Armstrong and the whole thing about him) and the lab found doping with 2 people that did exactly the same (Being at the point of giving up and miraculously winning)

The tour director? The guy that introduced the charter against doping? What a joke :-\

What rasmussen did today was clever,he didnt do anything,last 5 minutes he just accelerates and wins ::)
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 02:12:13 PM
Actually, the tour and the UCI have been feuding about jurisdiction/entry qualifications and doping for a couple years now, I think. The UCI didn't like it when the Tour wouldn't let in suspects in the Spanish investigation, even though they hadn't been charged or anything. At least that's how I think it's been playing out. <edit> I think the UCI and WADA are still in charge of testing in the Tour.</edit>

As for the lab... who knows. Landis' legal team seemed to do a pretty good job denigrating them. On the other hand, the fact that positive tests seem to be found disproportionately among the leaders isn't too suprising - they get tested more often. I think the yellow jersey gets tested every day, along with the days stage winner.

All I know is that I'm sick of hearing about it. Half the big names weren't there to begin with because of the Spanish and Italian investigations, and now this.

(So, uh, Rasmussen rode well today, then? Sigh... I suppose I'll have to watch the re-broadcast.)

;)

<edit>
I suppose if I had a fav in the peleton this year it would have been McEwen, but he's already gone.
</edit>
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 25, 2007, 02:20:19 PM
Cofidis leaves the tour because of a positive Moreni
http://www.sport.be/nl/wielrennen/article.html?Article_ID=222998 (It's dutch i know,just run it through babelfish now,cba now >:( The winner this year will be the one guy that hasnt use doping ffs :s I'm getting angry lol

Ill comment on your post another time,need to calm down now :P


Edit:The tour blames the ProTour, the Tour needs to allow all the teams from the ProTour,even the ones they dont want

You're right about the testing,every day for the yellow jersey and the winner,and of course random controls now.

I agree 100%

Only the end was good

McEwen is my favourite too,but because he had to give up i choose Evans now :)
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 02:27:59 PM
I just saw the story on BBC. It's just getting better and better. Cofidis was one of the teams that delayed the start today in protest of Vino's positive test. What a bunch of #$%ing hypocrites.
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 25, 2007, 02:30:16 PM
Quote from: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 02:27:59 PM
I just saw the story on BBC. It's just getting better and better. Cofidis was one of the teams that delayed the start today in protest of Vino's positive test. What a bunch of #$%ing hypocrites.

You're right,this IS getting ridiculous! I can't believe this... Its even more worse as previous year...
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Volker Harun on July 25, 2007, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: calico on July 25, 2007, 12:36:05 PM
How creepishly devlish.  I guess.  What's the big deal?
The big deal might be those 500,000 Euros a year?
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 02:34:42 PM
Mavcat - It is! For all the talk, it gets worse every year. After the Festina/Virenque mess I didn't think it could get any worse, but every year is more outrageous than the one before.
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 25, 2007, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 02:34:42 PM
Mavcat - It is! For all the talk, it gets worse every year. After the Festina/Virenque mess I didn't think it could get any worse, but every year is more outrageous than the one before.

you're right :( Its sad,just sad...
Title: Re: Le Tour - the beat goes on
Post by: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 06:38:15 PM
And the latest - Rasmussen has just been thrown out of the Tour and fired by Rabobank. It turns out that he was actually in Italy when he claimed to be in Mexico (and couldn't be found for testing). So now Contador is first, Evans second and Leipheimer third. It's pathetic, I tells ya; it's junkies on wheels.
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: rcallicotte on July 26, 2007, 09:54:38 AM
Winner by investigation.  Now that should fit in with all of the plethora of TV shows lately.
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: old_blaggard on July 26, 2007, 11:22:57 AM
Wow... this has gotten ridiculous.
Title: Re: Le Tour - the beat goes on
Post by: MooseDog on July 26, 2007, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: Harvey Birdman on July 25, 2007, 06:38:15 PM
...it's junkies on wheels.

LOL!  i like that ;D
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 26, 2007, 12:42:24 PM
Contador wins now, Discovery channel rules the time rides (or how ever you call it) and lotto isnt that good in it
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 28, 2007, 07:58:15 AM
Sorry for double post but soler has tested positive : http://www.cyclingpost.com/tour/article_005202.shtml

So the circle jersey thingy also positive

Good game ::)
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Harvey Birdman on July 28, 2007, 09:34:25 AM
The latest news seems to contradict this. It sounds as if the Dutch press heard a rumor and published it as fact, and the rest of the press followed suit. It sounds as if the original rumor said that a jersey wearer was going to be thrown out for doping offenses. The timing was such that the rumor may have been referring to Rasmussen, but somehow it got transferred to Soler.

If this really is the case, the fact that the rumors would be given credence and picked up so widely by the press is a telling commentary on the totally corrupt state of affairs in cycling - people are willing to believe anything at this point. And why not? It's a circus.
Title: Re: Le Tour
Post by: Mavcat on July 28, 2007, 09:49:56 AM
The danish press you mean :P They started it :) I'd believe anything now,they never cease to amaze me,every single year...