The old bear hasn't changed much. Looks like they plan to nibble away at their neighboring countries.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/10/opinion/russias-next-land-grab.html?_r=0
http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-just-cemented-a-new-land-grab-2015-3
Quoteshow that America has not abandoned the South Caucasus.
errr... America should know that they don't own anything in Europe or Caucasus and should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.
Yes, I'm more concerned about the U.S.'s next aggressive war to prop up the Petro Dollar.
Quote from: Seth on May 08, 2015, 08:35:55 AMAmerica...should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.
You mean like they did during the 1930's? I think everyone who has been paying attention knows how well that turned out. :-\
Quoteerrr... America should know that they don't own anything in Europe or Caucasus and should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.
I gave up on Europe when I learned that there are large sections of major cities that are not open to the people that are from there or the government, ("no go zones")... so called.
Europe has lost its mind, and you can't help crazy.
As for Russia, half my family lives in Moscow. And while I really really don't like Putin, I can tell you that the overwhelming number of Russian people do love him. They know what kind of man he is, but they believe he is truly trying to make Russia strong again (Russian Empire strong, not USSR).
Russians are proud. They don't like their new place in the world. They are willing to put up with a lot for a chance at a return of some of their nations glory. Not saying I like what Putin has done. But the only people who can do anything about him are the Russian people.
Moscow is a great city though. Really love that place. You don't know hospitality until you have been a guest in someones home from Eastern parts.
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It will only end with Armageddon
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No go zones? Not sure what you are referring to.
Putin is a huge wildcard. The recent victory parade was a complete throwback to the times of the Soviet Empire. Only resolve will keep peace alive, IMHO (where war has not broken out yet at least). So long as we don't have the Chamberlain type of leaders.
Have you seen his comments on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Truly astounding. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladimir-Putin-says-there-was-nothing-wrong-with-Soviet-Unions-pact-with-Adolf-Hitlers-Nazi-Germany.html
QuoteYou mean like they did during the 1930's? I think everyone who has been paying attention knows how well that turned out.
Can you be more specific ?
Because lately, we are a lot of people thinking that US government is a real problem against peace.
I always like how Albright found justified to kill 500 000 children in Iraq...
And we can talk about all the terrorist group they formed everywhere, armed them, etc...
How they keep trying to rule countries, how they try to destabilize Russia next to their borders, etc...
It is interesting. You wake up and you learn a lot about the real world and history. No conspiracies, no tin foil hats... just reality.
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
Major General Smedley Butler
Speaking of Russia...
Lenin and the Russian Revolution: Institutionalized Insanity
https://youtu.be/Y3-kmo7tGWU
QuoteNo go zones? Not sure what you are referring to.
In france most notably (because of recent events) but also many other countries, there are large sections of various cities that are referred to as "no go zones". These areas are completely dominated by foreign immigrants who are not, and appear to have no will or welcome to assimilate. effectively setting up micro states with-in states. Now this happens everywhere I suppose. But I would argue the difference between, say, "China Town" in San Francisco, and what you see in some places in Paris (for example) are quite obvious. What I was saying is that it is crazy for countries in the EU to allow multiculturalism to such a level with-in their borders AND the multiculturalism of EU states due to open boarders within the EU. What will be left?
I guess the point is to turn the EU into a kind of unified federation of states, making each country a kind of state like in the US or even the Russian Federation? Maybe that is good, I don't know. But it wont work with non western culture, like that of the "no go zones".
QuotePutin is a huge wildcard. The recent victory parade was a complete throwback to the times of the Soviet Empire.
There is still a communist party in Russia. The symbols of Communism in russia, I think, amount to little more than pillow talk to voters. And the tacky use of emotional calls to history, has always been a part of Russia. Stalin called up the ghost of Ivan, and currently Putin calls up the ghosts of the Red Army. He merely is attempting to justify his claim to power by referring to the power of those who came before him.
But the USSR is not coming back anymore than Tsar Nicholas II is coming back.
There have ALWAYS been parades on Red Square. The symbols of communism just help to provide continuity between the last period and the coming period.
Putin is one thing, But what comes after him is more important, I would say.
QuoteHave you seen his comments on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Truly astounding
Why? America basically had a non aggression pack by not getting involved at all, until Pearl Harbor. Whats the difference? Your complaint appears to be only that Putin defends it? I argue that ww2 was just a continuation of ww1. Look at the world now, most of the problems are left over from ww2. WW3 will just be a continuation of ww2. Indeed the no go zones, are a symptom of this.
From what I understand, most Russians believe that the Bolshevik revolution was started by Germany. That German operatives paid Lennon. And that the plan was to destroy the Russian Empire. This is widely believed. And is probably true.
WW1-WW2-WW3, are all the same war. It is just broken up into chapters for easier reading.
Anyway, Russia is much more complex than people generally think. But really, how do we talk about any of this in posts? It is too big a topic.
Still it is fun though. At least it is important topic and it is good we are interested. Especially since we and or our sons will be the ones who die in the next war. I wonder if there will be anyone left when its over to remember us? Anyone left to count how many of us died, or to hold a victory parade for us? I am not optimistic about it.
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QuoteBecause lately, we are a lot of people thinking that US government is a real problem against peace.
I always like how Albright found justified to kill 500 000 children in Iraq...
And we can talk about all the terrorist group they formed everywhere, armed them, etc...
How they keep trying to rule countries, how they try to destabilize Russia next to their borders, etc...
Iraq?
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In 1916, the British and French made a plan for the post-war division of (Western Asia) under the Sykes-Picot Agreement.[41] British forces regrouped and captured Baghdad in 1917, and defeated the Ottomans. An armistice was signed in 1918." This is "Iraq"...
All of the mess in the world is still European bullshit! When I get drafted, or my Son does, it will be again to fix European bull shit. If you want to talk about Iraq, why not Palestine? No such place either. But why stop there, how about Africa... all problems left over from ww2!
How many dead babies because of French and British politics and Colonialism? Many many more than 500,000.
Oh but wait, I am sorry, I forgot how hard the french fought Hitler. And now you have Sharia law in parts of Paris! HA! I think no one should listen to European advice about War and Peace.
Quotewar... is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars...
Really? So how were ww1 and ww2 paid for? The dollar was big then? As I recall from my lessons, GOLD was the basis of money then... european gold! And European philosophy!
And most if not all conflict today is a continuation of the world wars, European wars.
But no, the US is not blameless. Most of our problems now come from European ideas though... about mony and government. Or are you going to tell me that communism, fascism, socialism, statism, "Social justice" (as apposed to real justice), Keynesian economics, and all the rest were created in the US?
Europe is the rot of the West.
http://soerenkern.com/2011/08/22/european-%E2%80%98no-go%E2%80%99-zones-for-non-muslims-proliferating/
http://truthuncensored.net/there-are-muslim-no-go-zones-in-the-usa/#sthash.aHmfamdW.dpbs
I'm with you Badger. I think its time for the French to kick some butt at home.
Quote from: TheBadger on May 12, 2015, 04:47:58 PMAnd now you have Sharia law in parts of Paris!
Many Muslims are wanting to undermine the sovereignty of the USA by feigning offense and playing the discrimination card. This is their strategy for eroding the country from the inside. The truth is that Christian churches don't make laws that supersede state and federal laws nor does anyone else (and if they do they are criminal). So how do Muslims think they can get away with seizing privileges that no-one else has?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUj-fUBKxMw
Quote from: TheBadger on May 10, 2015, 09:00:28 PMMoscow is a great city though. Really love that place.
I've never stayed in Russia but had two stops in Moscow for refueling between the USA and Singapore. From the air it looks ominous as ALL of the buildings look huge with none of the suburban sprawl that you see in American cities.
Quote from: Seth on May 12, 2015, 02:38:15 PMCan you be more specific ?
WWII. Badger pretty well covered it.
Quote from: Seth on May 12, 2015, 02:38:15 PMAnd we can talk about all the terrorist group they formed everywhere, armed them, etc...
How they keep trying to rule countries, how they try to destabilize Russia next to their borders, etc...
It was very unclear who you were referring to in all of your "they"s. I do think the USA has been very stupid when it comes to arming people in situations they don't understand. But this I know. The Ukrainians (among other Eastern European countries) have very good reasons for resenting the Russians. Something like 2.5 ~ 7.5 million Ukrainians starved to death when the Russians came in and took their food for industrialization before the Russian "Patriotic War". Americans didn't do anything to bring that resentment (even hatred) about.
"Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine and many other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet Union."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Quote from: PabloMack on May 12, 2015, 05:15:33 PM
http://soerenkern.com/2011/08/22/european-%E2%80%98no-go%E2%80%99-zones-for-non-muslims-proliferating/
http://truthuncensored.net/there-are-muslim-no-go-zones-in-the-usa/#sthash.aHmfamdW.dpbs
I'm with you Badger. I think its time for the French to kick some butt at home.
We get that crap here in Australia, too. Entire suburbs of Sydney are no-go zones. In fact, pretty much the entire of Southwestern Sydney is exactly that.
Fact is though - people pussy-foot around because people go "OMFG RACIST" if you say anything.
Last I heard, Islam is a RELIGION, not a race. But, the pussy-footing continues.
Its only a matter of time before they instigate Sharia law here - and like I say: Over my dead body they will! Being a woman, I'm doubly-screwed.
Quote from: Emmeline on May 13, 2015, 06:32:41 AMFact is though - people pussy-foot around because people go "OMFG RACIST" if you say anything.
Yes. It is not racist to defend your constitution. Ours guarantees everyone's right to religious freedom. Sharia Law means the end of right to religious freedom. Stick to your guns and get involved with your government to make sure it remains sovereign over all the land. "Separation of Church and State" also means "Separation of Mosque and Government". The Christians have had to live with it and so will the Moslems.
http://counterjihadreport.com/category/constitution-vs-sharia/
Quote from: PabloMack on May 10, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: Seth on May 08, 2015, 08:35:55 AMAmerica...should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.
You mean like they did during the 1930's? I think everyone who has been paying attention knows how well that turned out. :-\
In the 1940s Japan, immediately followed by Germany, declared war on the USA, not the other way around (Germany had a pact with Japan and Hitler declared war on the USA). I'm struggling to see how US intervention would have avoided the invasion of Poland, or even manifested itself, when the French and British genuinely thought it wasn't possible even after many warnings. As they said, the proof of militarisation arrived when it marched down the Champs Elysee under Nazi flags.
And just to add, the main reason Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was because the US had an embargo on Japan, which was due to entirely run out of oil around eight months later. So it could be said that the US was far from non-interventionist.
Quote from: TheBadger on May 10, 2015, 09:00:28 PM
Quoteerrr... America should know that they don't own anything in Europe or Caucasus and should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.
I gave up on Europe when I learned that there are large sections of major cities that are not open to the people that are from there or the government, ("no go zones")... so called.
As a European, I can safely say you're talking bollocks.
Quote from: ChrisC on May 12, 2015, 04:36:57 PM
Speaking of Russia...
Lenin and the Russian Revolution: Institutionalized Insanity
https://youtu.be/Y3-kmo7tGWU
Try learning about life under Tsar Nicholas II to understand why the revolution quickly took hold. Rock and a hard place. Even the US libertarian movement was organising labour unions in the US around that time.
JIM! Maybe everyone is coming back and we will have a TG render hurricane!.. With a few arguments for extra fun
QuoteEven the US libertarian movement was organising labour unions in the US around that time.
The unions helped to stave off communist efforts in the states. I have heard it said that if not for the unions then communism would have been more likely to succeed here.
I'm not against unions outright. Only against union money holding up the Democrats. But then, what else do they have.
Quotesar Nicholas II to understand why the revolution quickly took hold.
No no no. It is much much more complex than that.
The Bolsheviks wanted power not reform. Reform was already coming. The revolution was in part to stop reform to justify taking power. The very beating heart of the revolution was the illiteracy of the serfs.
Life under the czars was much much better than under Communism. Any Russian old enough to remember their grand parents and great grand parents will tell you this. The Bolsheviks sold a pack of lies. German intellectual thought at the time had much more to do with the revolution than czarist corruption.
Yo Badger. Life was crap under the Tsar. It may have also been bad under a communist regime, and the later Stalinist state capitalist economy (where the state exploits the workers and owns the means of production, instead of bourgeois capitalists), but taking the word of a bitter, failed Russian screenwriter whose family was disenfranchised by the Bolsheviks is misguided, IMHO ;)
Quote from: TheBadger on May 30, 2015, 07:28:24 AMJIM! Maybe everyone is coming back and we will have a TG render hurricane!.. With a few arguments for extra fun
What is everyone coming back from? I've been in Bulgaria for two weeks. What a nice country! I learned that Cyrillic was developed in Bulgaria. It was named after the older of two brothers (Cyril) that created the character set and put it into use in the year 958 AD. Every year the Bulgarians celebrate it on May 24. I suppose the Macedonians might counter claim them for their own. Interesting stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Cyril_and_Methodius
http://www.officeholidays.com/countries/europe/cyril_and_methodius_day.php
Quote from: JimB on May 30, 2015, 06:03:33 AMI'm struggling to see how US intervention would have avoided the invasion of Poland, or even manifested itself, when the French and British genuinely thought it wasn't possible even after many warnings.
I'm struggling to see what point you are trying to make.
Quotebut taking the word of a bitter, failed Russian screenwriter whose family was disenfranchised by the Bolsheviks is misguided, IMHO ;)
Well, Im taking the word of the lectures at LMSU in Russia, and the word of my russian family that owned a farm until the revolution, so. You make it sound like it was a one sided fight, a little. There were two sides to that war.
But I am not arguing that being a serf sucked, of course it did. Only that it was much better than the Bolsheviks told the serfs it was. I am meandering as usual, but my main point is that the revolution was un-necessary, reform was coming anyway. The Bolsheviks knew that if the serfs were set free then they would loose all momentum. They wanted power not reform. The "ideals" of the revolution were nothing more than an opiate. They NEVER had any intention whatsoever for equality or liberty... I would argue that the ideals of communism are impossible under communism. And so would the loyalists at the time. But they could read, the revolutionaries for the most part could not.
But to be fair to you, this argument is ongoing in Russia too. I am not claiming that I am absolutely right and you are wrong. Just that I find the history does not mach the critique the Bolsheviks made... Or their German pay masters ;)
Part of the conversation is what Russia would be like if the Tsar had lived but ceded some or most power as with the British monarchy. I believe that Russia would be a much better place with a living tie to their culture, than it has been or is now. But really all you need to know about the revolution is how the Romanov family died. He did not even want to be Tzar.