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Title: Cloud Column
Post by: WAS on June 30, 2015, 04:15:44 AM
Why is it when you localize clouds it creates a sphere rather then a column even if you set the depth to something like 100000?

I remember there was a topic about a "Smoke/Cloud Column" but I can't seem to find it anymore.
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: Tangled-Universe on June 30, 2015, 05:40:42 AM
That likely has to do with the falloff setting in the localized cloud part of the cloud node.
Perhaps also "taper top and base" may have to do with it. May be even both.
Those 2 are the first I'd check out from the top of my head.
To see how these settings affect the result it's a bit easier to set cloud density to 0.1 or greater.

Cheers,
Martin

P.S. Would you mind me saying your signature is slightly annoying? :)
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: WAS on June 30, 2015, 11:11:07 AM
I've adjust falloff, it just makes it a hard ball, or cloud ball. Base/top wispyness are at 0.

Like I've told others, be as annoyed as you let it. I don't care. No rules against it here and a expression of my "Signature" through art (main goal of this website) Would be the same if I actually had a my signature there.

Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: Kadri on June 30, 2015, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: WASasquatch on June 30, 2015, 11:11:07 AM
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Like I've told others, be as annoyed as you let it. I don't care. No rules against it here and a expression of my "Signature" through art (main goal of this website) Would be the same if I actually had a my signature there.

;D
Yes i am teasing.
I don't care to say anything more,as you have no desire to show respect in that aspect, other then as an artist you should have more empathy.
It is annoying.
:)

Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: WAS on June 30, 2015, 11:46:09 AM
You have no excuse to gripe but personal ones and you want to talk about respect? That's pathetic, and disrespectful of someones desires or how they want to represent themselves. You should realize this. Ever hear about equality? Don't like something? Great. Keep it to yourself. Make a complaint to the board leaders about a new rule or something. Anything else is rude, disrespectful, and unneeded. It's not annoying tot he hundreds of thousands of boards that out you. Therefor, it is only a personal opinion, one for which I do not care. As it's pointless.
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: Dune on June 30, 2015, 11:49:04 AM
One advice, Kadri; don't waste your energy  ;)
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: archonforest on June 30, 2015, 11:50:07 AM
I like this little scrolling smiley :P
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: Kadri on June 30, 2015, 11:55:47 AM
::) ;D
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: WAS on June 30, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
In any case, you create your own problem. Account Settings -> Look and Layout -> Don't show users' signatures
(https://sweetlyindecisive.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/poster-complaining-tw3.jpg?w=279)

Anyways, here is the weird cloud ball. Nothing I've tried changes it.
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: Tangled-Universe on June 30, 2015, 03:38:37 PM
Wow...sounds I have touched upon something very sensitive...?

You're not making it very easy for yourself here to get help if you act and respond this way, you realize that?
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: AP on June 30, 2015, 05:04:43 PM
Unless you guys had brought his signature before, who exactly is being sensitive here? It never bothered me and if something like that is going to be an issue, sheesh. Word of warning though, let us not try to play the SJW whiner types and keep it as civil as possible and best we not let freedom of expression, especially something that is not morally offensive bother our time here. Certainly we have better things to do and real issues. Over the years i've noticed that society has become way to over-sensitive ripe with emotions all over the place pulling issues out of deep magic hats and creating problems that should not be problems to begin with. What a world...

Now assuming if there is a real legitimate reason why the signature is a problem but i've said my peace and will leave you adults to sort this out.


As far as the cloud issue, i thought there was something under the file sharing board for a localized cloud based on a column. I don't know where exactly it was though.
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: yossam on June 30, 2015, 06:10:38 PM
Look in the file sharing, cloud library, on the last page I believe. Dune has one in that section. There is at least one more I know of, I'll have to find it.


Sorry, Dunes' file is on page 13.


Found the other one I was thinking about................do a search for "smoke" in the forum.

http://www.planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,14960.msg145782.html#msg145782 (http://www.planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,14960.msg145782.html#msg145782)
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: fleetwood on June 30, 2015, 06:22:14 PM
The limiting factor of the localized cloud appears to be the Radius. Trying to use a Depth greater than the defined Radius has no effect.
Instead you can define a large Radius and cut  into that using a simple shape shader.

Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: WAS on June 30, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
Quote from: fleetwood on June 30, 2015, 06:22:14 PM
The limiting factor of the localized cloud appears to be the Radius. Trying to use a Depth greater than the defined Radius has no effect.
Instead you can define a large Radius and cut  into that using a simple shape shader.

That's looks great. I'll see if I can't make it work.

I'll look out for Dune's post. Maybe that was the "thread" I was thinking of.

About the signature, I'll definitely let it go when someone starts going out of their way, and into mine over something so trivial. Especially art. That's like walking down the street, seeing a street mural, or even graffiti and going out of your way to gripe, and let other passing by know how much it upsets, or annoys you. You aren't the property owner (PlanetSide Staff) and they have not advised against it, nor stated any rules. And I don't see people registering and going out of there way to do the same.

So literally, I don't get it. There is no reason but personal ones that defy social construct.
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: Oshyan on June 30, 2015, 07:11:02 PM
The Localize feature does limit the cloud layer to a *sphere* and not a column, technically speaking. Practically speaking in many cases the result is an apparent *cylinder* when the Radius of the localization sphere exceeds the Depth of the Cloud Layer (thus creating essentially a cylindrical "slice" of the sphere). In the 3D preview the shape is currently shown as a cylinder, which is unfortunately not always technically accurate. We're considering better ways to handle this in the future, but we don't have an ideal solution yet.

Regarding the signature, we don't have specific rules besides length of signature at this point, largely because such rules have not been necessary. However historical convention in *this* social group has established a general lack of image-based signatures. That's not a judgment, simply a statement of fact; you can look through the archives of the forums for many years and see few to no signatures with images in them. So there is nothing inherently wrong with an image-based signature, it just doesn't fit in with how things have generally been done here, not by rule but by social convention. It's my view that the participants here are a big part of what define the tone and general aesthetic of the place, even if we do have to enforce some basic rules from time to time . I don't think this is one of those times, so you can do as you like within the rules. But it does make me wonder what the incentives for having an image-based signature are if there has been such vocal concern about it here in this community and one's desire is to be a part of it.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: WAS on June 30, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Oshyan on June 30, 2015, 07:11:02 PM
The Localize feature does limit the cloud layer to a *sphere* and not a column, technically speaking. Practically speaking in many cases the result is an apparent *cylinder* when the Radius of the localization sphere exceeds the Depth of the Cloud Layer (thus creating essentially a cylindrical "slice" of the sphere). In the 3D preview the shape is currently shown as a cylinder, which is unfortunately not always technically accurate. We're considering better ways to handle this in the future, but we don't have an ideal solution yet.

Regarding the signature, we don't have specific rules besides length of signature at this point, largely because such rules have not been necessary. However historical convention in *this* social group has established a general lack of image-based signatures. That's not a judgment, simply a statement of fact; you can look through the archives of the forums for many years and see few to no signatures with images in them. So there is nothing inherently wrong with an image-based signature, it just doesn't fit in with how things have generally been done here, not by rule but by social convention. It's my view that the participants here are a big part of what define the tone and general aesthetic of the place, even if we do have to enforce some basic rules from time to time . I don't think this is one of those times, so you can do as you like within the rules. But it does make me wonder what the incentives for having an image-based signature are if there has been such vocal concern about it here in this community and one's desire is to be a part of it.

- Oshyan

Is there a way to scale the width from the bottom up using functions? Like it's dissipating outwards?

___

I'm a web developer of over a decade now, and graphic artist. I've run hundreds of communities, some of them huge (Digital Forums, AniShack, etc) boasting millions of users monthly (mainly anishack... streaming anime in such back before Youtube Lol) On all my boards, I've always allowed signatures and encouraged creative output and expression. Even from users that can't! Get some crayons out of Paint. We had a lot of paint based tags from users without graphic manipulation programs. Again, I see no reason to have a problem with it but again personal ones.

And no offense, but the community here is rather small, consisting of short-term users seeking occasional help. Not many it seems have really stuck around as "community" members. While it's true that a lot of them don't have signatures, that doesn't mean they wouldn't. I personally know hundreds of artists who use Terragen and use signatures on all the boards they visit. If not more extravagant on their DeviantArt About Me Note section which allows images. Or on Shadowness allowing customized backgrounds. Plenty of websites that even focus on this specific subject for other forums, TagFreak (http://tagfreak.net/index.php) being one of them.

If there was a rule, like I said, I'd gladly remove it. But otherwise I like it. And it gets a lot of attention on my topics from google fetching a reasonably sized image for caching purposes. lol This is 2015 when information is served with images primarily for all these social networks and mobile/modern browsers on search engiens, otherwise google likes to put those results on the backburner as not "complete" in their SEO markup. Making you have to narrow things down to the nail head by adding "terragen" or similar definitive keywords.

If it's a rule, then there's that. Otherwise, I do expect my privacy to my rights in a adult and grown up forum without criticism. Otherwise, I will defend myself via long winded explanations of how uncivil, and actually disrespectful bringing it up is compared  to having it and defending it.
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: Oshyan on June 30, 2015, 08:00:19 PM
You can control a density shader that acts in a cloud volume to create effects similar to what you're describing. Threads in the forums on "plumes", "exhaust", "rockets", etc. ought to have some info and even TGDs to check out.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Cloud Column
Post by: WAS on June 30, 2015, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: Oshyan on June 30, 2015, 08:00:19 PM
You can control a density shader that acts in a cloud volume to create effects similar to what you're describing. Threads in the forums on "plumes", "exhaust", "rockets", etc. ought to have some info and even TGDs to check out.

- Oshyan

Didn't think of or try any of those keywords, thank you! Got a nice form, just need to expand it now.