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Title: I just dont get it...
Post by: archonforest on November 18, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
I would like to know what is the real reason behind the tragedy in Paris. Some says it happened because French soldiers are attacking Siria and this was a counter attack. This could be the truth but not necessary. Let see what happened after the nightmare. Just reading some articles I can see that many countries in EU started to have strickt passport control, soldiers on the streets, people more afraid to leave their homes, EU citizens most probably feels unconfortable around emigrants...etc...etc...etc. Well this could be a way to start a war for example. But who wants this? Hm??

What is the purpose of the above?
-To have a War to sell weapons?
-To create hatred towards emigrants and their religion?
-To show that how dangerous is the place and like this create a kind of Police states?
-Oil and other resources?

Another thing is that the amount of emigrants arriving to Europe creates a serious problem. I really wonder if this is a part of a bigger plan? Have a war and make sure 100 thousands leaves the country so those hungry people creates a big confusion in EU? Well they definitely do this if u see the daily news. Well...

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: PabloMack on November 19, 2015, 09:40:37 AM
Chaos doesn't need a plan. It happens on its own. Anyone could go out today and kill a bunch of people just because of some twisted belief system. No one would be responsible but that person. Out of 7 billion people, you don't need an organization for one or a few individuals to go out and do something dastardly. It has always been that way but instant communications now means that one incident gets magnified a million times "in your face" so we think it is on our front doorstep when it isn't. In the olden days, there would be mass murders but few or no people would hear about it. The bottom line is that people want control (for the betterment or detriment of everyone else).

My fear is that the people immigrating to Europe are ultimately going to bring their problems with them and spoil Europe. My hopes are that the ones leaving the middle east are doing so because they are peace loving and will, instead, help to make it a better place. It is unfortunate that some don't come to emulate what you do to get what you have but to just take what you have. Only time will tell. It could go either way (or both ways at the same time). With "mass action" it is hard to predict the outcome of such complex systems. Destruction is far easier work than construction so it only takes a very few to cause a lot of damage. The unhappy reality is that Europeans are soon going to learn (the hard way) why Americans want to have weapons for their own protection. Once large numbers of criminals begin controlling large lawless parts of Europe and the police find themselves helpless and outgunned, Europeans will finally understand.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: Tangled-Universe on November 19, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
Especially the latter is true I think.

I, personally, have always been kind of baffled about the republicans obsessions over personal weapon possession.

I live in The Netherlands and yesterday news came out that our government is deciding on what to do when there's no place/room for immigrants anymore.
Their luminous idea is, since they now(!!!) do argue that most of the immigrants are vital young men (while before they argued it were all poor little families), it should pose no problem for them to do without bed and roof.
So just give them some money for food and let them wander around outside.

It's true, I kid you not.

The first thing I told my gf was that with already frustrated migrants you will even get bigger frustration if this is going to happen.
On the streets this will become evident in robbings, molestations, thievery and at it's worst rapes.

Add to that that for many years police forces are underpayed, in extreme low numbers and have their hands tied on their backs due to all kinds of poltiical correct laws and the mixture is toxic like crazy.

Yes, if this happens, then I suddenly do understand that some want to arm themselves.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: TheBadger on November 19, 2015, 10:27:01 AM
I thought you were all allowed to have shotguns for bird hunting and such? Not even that?

Actually I am very curious what the dutch laws are, and in hungry too. I was surprised to learn that the Austrians can all have handguns but not semi auto rifles.

Anyway, if Europeans won't even fuck to make children, that they need to import young men to make children to keep your system going, I doubt very much that Europeans will fight.

The grey man is the last to be thrown on the pyre.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: archonforest on November 19, 2015, 11:08:00 AM
The only thing I can see is that these emigrants are taking up all the attention units around the EU and creating major confusion. In the same time we have terrorist attacks. This can create some hatred against the emigrants since "they look terrorist". Like any of them could be a bad guy theoretically....I am just afraid this will create bad things around. EU people might turn against these people and blood will be all around.... :-[   
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: PabloMack on November 19, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on November 19, 2015, 10:06:07 AM...yesterday news came out that our government is deciding on what to do when there's no place/room for immigrants anymore.Their luminous idea is, since they now(!!!) do argue that most of the immigrants are vital young men (while before they argued it were all poor little families), it should pose no problem for them to do without bed and roof.
So just give them some money for food and let them wander around outside.

It's true, I kid you not.

Scary. I hope they understand that it is young men that countries send off to make war because they are the ones that do the most damage. Without families to weigh them down they can dedicate their lives to creating havoc.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: JimB on November 20, 2015, 10:07:35 AM
Worth a read:

I was held hostage by Isis. They fear our unity more than our airstrikes
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/16/isis-bombs-hostage-syria-islamic-state-paris-attacks (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/16/isis-bombs-hostage-syria-islamic-state-paris-attacks)
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: otakar on November 20, 2015, 12:08:19 PM
Excellent link, JimB. I very much agree with the writer. These attacks on European soil are meant to provoke a backlash against Muslims, which in turn would generate more recruits for IS.

Furthermore, while I think the current mass immigration wave is unsustainable to absorb for much longer, let's be clear that so far only one of the terrorists in the Paris attack has been identified as coming in from Syria, all others were EU nationals. The hysteria about letting in terrorists in some parts of the Western is grossly unfounded.

Assad needs to be jailed to even begin addressing the Syrian disaster, but this cannot happen through some conflagration or there will be millions of newly displaced Syrians, Allawites and Shias this time loyal to the regime. Sadly, I do not see a solution coming anytime soon, but rather a continued status quo of bombings and further despair for the trapped civilians... And the longer this takes, the more of the young people without a future will turn to extremism.

As for Europe, I am afraid much worse days lie ahead of us. Even now, with winter at the doorstep, we are talking 5000 people arrving daily, their destination being a small number of countries. The public sentiment is turning increasingly anti-immigrant as resources are being stretched to the breaking point. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/unhcr-plan-anticipates-5000-new-refugees-reaching-europe-each-day
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: JimB on November 20, 2015, 06:31:19 PM
Well, I see some Presidential candidates want to see muslims wearing trackers: the 21st Century equivalent of yellow stars sewn onto clothing. If ever there was a guaranteed way of radicalising every muslim youngster in the world, it's that. I'm not sure if Daesh are very smart or western politicians have become dumber than a bag of broken hammers. If we think we've seen distressing images of Syrian refugees so far, I suspect the winter will bring us images the like of which we haven't seen since World War Two when, curiously, the UK managed to take in 50,000 refugees while Uboats were doing such a fine job of depriving us of food and materials that rationing continued until 1954. And even then we passed a law allowing the refugees to remain permanently. Cries of protest at taking in the equivalent to a half-packed Wembley Stadium over five years are turning my stomach and making me ashamed.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: TheBadger on November 20, 2015, 09:52:24 PM
Put on a yamaka/kippah, and move into one of these "refugee" areas in Germany or France or Sweden. Then tell me who the nazis are. You probably won't be able to talk with your jaw broken though.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: JimB on November 21, 2015, 06:24:02 AM
'In the spirit of the Kindertransport we want to extend a warm welcome to Syria's refugees'
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/jul/08/in-the-spirit-of-the-kindertransport-we-want-to-extend-a-warm-welcome-to-syrias-refugees (http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/jul/08/in-the-spirit-of-the-kindertransport-we-want-to-extend-a-warm-welcome-to-syrias-refugees)

Open UK's doors to Syrians, say rabbis
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/114587/open-uk%E2%80%99s-doors-syrians-say-rabbis (http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/114587/open-uk%E2%80%99s-doors-syrians-say-rabbis)

IN FOCUS: How the Jewish community has mobilised to help refugees
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=synagogue+welcomes+syrians&start=10 (https://www.google.co.uk/#q=synagogue+welcomes+syrians&start=10)
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: TheBadger on November 21, 2015, 06:59:19 AM
Yes I know, there is an endless amount of compassion in the west for them. That is why little girls are raped in the EU and no one gives a shit; http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5386/british-girls-raped-oxford
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/22/the-uks-rape-jihad-a-survivors-tale/
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/sweden-opened-its-doors-to-muslim-immigration-today-its-the-rape-capital-of-the-west-japan-didnt/
Actually there are thousands and thousands, I just can't read about it anymore.

But what about the Christians and other minorities? There are lots of Muslims in the mid east, almost no one else left though.

Would that libs care so much for all the little christian and yazidi girls who are now the rape toys of demon possessed psychopaths. And what about the 300 Boko took in Africa? Haven't heard anything about that in a while have you? Just so you know, they are all dead.
I guess hash tags don't save lives after all. Turns out though, that Russian missiles do... Who would have thought? I guess US bombs don't work any more. Probably made by cheap foreign labor now anyway.

Not sure about your links either. I don't understand how pointing out that jews are welcoming keeps you safe in a refugee camp? Go ahead, put on one of those funny little hats and go to a no-go-zone . Stay a while, rent a flat. Enjoy your altruism.

here is B Maher, maybe libs will listen to a lib. (video)
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/20/maher-islam-is-a-problem-saying-syrian-refugees-have-values-at-odds-with-ours-may-not-be-wrong/

Sorry man, but prioritizing healthy young men of military age over little defenseless girls does not sound like love to me.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: JimB on November 21, 2015, 08:19:09 AM
Sorry Badger, I thought this thread was about Syrian refugees. You seem a tad confused and are throwing Syrian refugees into a very broad pot and tarring 1.5 billion people with the appalling crimes of Wahabbist psychopaths and onnanists. Your whataboutery is worthy of a Putinbot. And FYI, as far as I'm concerned, Europe should be seizing the assets of the Saudis who are known to be supporting ISIS and funding the madrassa recruitment centres. Oh, but, oil and arms sales. Let's not look at the real history of ISIS and al Qaeda and how they came from the same mujas who the West were lauding for their struggle against the Soviets in Afghanistan, including a young Osama.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: TheBadger on November 21, 2015, 08:46:46 AM
QuoteEurope should be seizing the assets of the Saudis who are known to be supporting ISIS and funding the madrassa recruitment centres.

I agree one hundred percent with no reservation. F those sick bastards!

QuoteSorry Badger, I thought this thread was about Syrian refugees.

Except, 1, most of the refugees are not from Syria. And 2, Syrians in large number believe in sharia.

QuoteYou seem a tad confused and are throwing Syrian refugees into a very broad pot and tarring 1.5 billion people

Of which the absolute majority tolerate and do nothing in the face of totalitarianism. Running is not admirable.

QuoteYour whataboutery is worthy of a Putinbot
I have said plenty of times I hate Putin. Love that he is killing ISIS today though.

QuoteLet's not look at the real history of ISIS and al Qaeda and how they came from the same mujas who the West were lauding for their struggle against the Soviets in Afghanistan, including a young Osama.

No, we should look at it. Too many who disagree with you also disagree with me. Some say we should side with the Saudis still, and not Iran. I say they are two sides of the same shit burger.

I actually understand your compassion and feel it too. Believe it or not.
But if even ONE of the refugees goes off the wall and kills people, and if one of those people killed is my kin... I will not be altruistic about it. And I won't blame muslims. I will blame progressives.

I got enough to worry about sending my kids to public school. Make Syria a safe haven for syrians if you want to help.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: TheBadger on November 21, 2015, 09:25:12 AM
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/first-time-nazi-era-germany-considers-deploying-military-man-streets
Merkel is finished.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: PabloMack on November 21, 2015, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: TheBadger on November 21, 2015, 08:46:46 AMI will blame progressives.

Sometimes I think the "progressives" borrowed their label from the medical community as in "Progression of a Disease". It is insulting for them to try to dictate to me what (positive) "progress" is and what it is not. I know one and he thinks that I have a weak mind and don't know that he is playing his little mind games to subvert my value system subliminally.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: JimB on November 21, 2015, 07:17:39 PM
What it's about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=komfVfzgVdI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=komfVfzgVdI)
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: AP on November 21, 2015, 07:27:05 PM
Progressive is a word that has been taken out of it's context to suit who ever would use it to fit there self-interests against others. There are those who force there will against others through violent means to make progress and there are those who use non-violence voluntary means to make progress. If people have real freedom then there is more incentive to more forward, a moral and principled meaning of being progressive.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: PabloMack on November 23, 2015, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Chris on November 21, 2015, 07:27:05 PM
Progressive is a word that has been taken out of it's context to suit who ever would use it to fit there self-interests against others. There are those who force there will against others through violent means to make progress and there are those who use non-violence voluntary means to make progress. If people have real freedom then there is more incentive to more forward, a moral and principled meaning of being progressive.

You said it!
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: AP on November 23, 2015, 05:15:52 PM
:)
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: PabloMack on November 26, 2015, 12:53:27 AM
I am all for the "Prime Directive" of Star Trek renown. The only problem with that is that others will interfere anyway so my non-interference is cancelled by others' actions. An example is people who go to "help" people of poor cultures such as the Inuit who demand that they be allowed to hunt like their ancestors. Except now they're riding out into the wilderness on snow mobiles, spotting their prey with high powered scopes, coordinating their attacks using "walkie talkies" and shooting seals with rifles. That's just wrong. If they want to hunt like their ancestors did, they should have to hunt like their ancestors did with dog sleds and harpooning seals with whale bones, not like modern man does. I say they should have to practice the old ways like their ancestors did or obey the rules like everyone else has to.
Title: Re: I just dont get it...
Post by: AP on November 26, 2015, 01:24:12 AM
I understand.