It is with great regret we announce the Shop portion of NWDA has closed its doors effective immediately. Unfortunately over the past 2-3 years interest in the Shop has deteriorated to the point where it is no longer self-sustaining. That aside NWDA is still together and here to support the Terragen Community with our NWDA Gallery, 360 Gallery and of course .. we will still have our Challenges. We look forward to the future of Terragen and support of its great community.
Sincerely,
Danny Gordon, Frank Basinski, Franck Doassans, Martin Huisman, Stephen Pryor, Jan-Walter Schliep, Ulco Glimmerveen, Ryan Archer, Luc Bianco, René van Megen & Alessandro Mastronardi
To recover past purchased products
1) Purchases from 2014 to present only will be recoverable
2) Submit original Shop receipt email or PayPal receipt email.
3) Requestors email must match email address from submitted receipts (no exceptions)
Sad news. But you all gave a lot of great stuff to the community for many years! Thanks for all your efforts. I hope some of that content can find new home(s).
- Oshyan
Damn that is a shame.
Thanks for all you and the team have done.
A Great shame indeed - good luck with your future endeavours.
I was constantly looking for new models but since long nothing happened. Talking about the plants and trees. I had the feeling that the end might come. Thanks for the service and for the friendly prices Danny!
Sorry to hear about that Danny!
I'm really sorry to hear that! I for one, love everything I purchased from your store. It was a wealth of great content! I too hope that it can find a new home.
That's indeed sad! Nevertheless thanks for your work!!!
Quote from: CredePendrel on August 01, 2019, 09:28:22 AM
I'm really sorry to hear that! I for one, love everything I purchased from your store. It was a wealth of great content! I too hope that it can find a new home.
I updated the post to address anyone who may have lost their products over the past few years.
Thank you for your support
Quote from: DannyG on August 01, 2019, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: CredePendrel on August 01, 2019, 09:28:22 AM
I'm really sorry to hear that! I for one, love everything I purchased from your store. It was a wealth of great content! I too hope that it can find a new home.
I updated the post to address anyone who may have lost their products over the past few years.
Thank you for your support
Thank you Danny G
A sad day indeed. Thank you Danny for your energy and contributions to this community and Terragen, and also to the rest of the contributors who made the NWDA site such a valuable resource.
Thanks for being the number #1 source for quality Terragen content, Danny [and company].
Sadly I was just about to buy a few more files for learning purposes.
Will any of the former content be available somewhere else?
Quote from: dhenry2112 on August 05, 2019, 06:03:04 PMSadly I was just about to buy a few more files for learning purposes.
Will any of the former content be available somewhere else?
Authors would need to OK their files for re-release, but as far as the sold assets, they may need to find a new place to sell it or take direct payment through PayPal or something.
I will be releasing shares on Terragen Forums under NWDA from now on to carry on it's contribution to the community, so keep an eye out. I'm sure others may continue to make shares from time to time as well.
Let's get this community active again.
I don't know if Paypal works for small amounts. If there's no cost involved in say a payment of $10, it could work.
I really don't know what I all had at NWDA, but what I can find I could put up here somewhere. Others may do that too, and then it needs a pm/email request, a payment and then an email to send the file off. It won't be a full job, so I'll consider this.
Quote from: Dune on August 06, 2019, 01:45:53 AMI don't know if Paypal works for small amounts. If there's no cost involved in say a payment of $10, it could work.
I really don't know what I all had at NWDA, but what I can find I could put up here somewhere. Others may do that too, and then it needs a pm/email request, a payment and then an email to send the file off. It won't be a full job, so I'll consider this.
In the US at least, PayPals minimum payment is $1.00 USD.
Former NWDA members who still want to make their content available for sale could also consider other platforms like TurboSquid, CGTrader, etc.
- Oshyan
Quote from: Oshyan on August 06, 2019, 02:39:29 PMFormer NWDA members who still want to make their content available for sale could also consider other platforms like TurboSquid, CGTrader, etc.
- Oshyan
This is a good point, and I'll add Terragen content is sorely lacking from third party distributors now that NWDA's store has closed it's doors.
Quote from: Oshyan on August 06, 2019, 02:39:29 PMFormer NWDA members who still want to make their content available for sale could also consider other platforms like TurboSquid, CGTrader, etc.
- Oshyan
I always thought that it's a pity that TG content is missing on these platforms!
Besides "RIP NWDA Store!" :'(
Quote from: Oshyan on August 06, 2019, 02:39:29 PMFormer NWDA members who still want to make their content available for sale could also consider other platforms like TurboSquid, CGTrader, etc.
- Oshyan
Former NWDA members? I wasn't aware anyone left, we are still together under the NWDA umbrella and will be here to support the community per the announcement. Not sure where this information came from.
I guess I misspoke Danny, but for my part at least I will say it's a bit confusing since the galleries on NWDA are seldom updated and the store is now gone. What, then, is NWDA? An "art collective" I guess. Which is fine.
I of course meant "those members of NWDA who would still like to sell their assets..." etc.
- Oshyan
@DannyG I'm always searching for stuff related to Terragen, Modo, Blender and other apps on Gumroad and Cubebrush. I like those selling sites because you always have access to your past purchases, and the creators can easily push out updates. Hint hint. ;) I also use Turbosquid.
-Derek
Paypal/Venmo would be a good payment choice. If no credit card is involved it's fee free (at least on a US$ basis, not sure about currency exchange). Then it's up to the content owner to handle the advertising, communication and product delivery. It would be great if at least some of the store content can be made available that way. I have never regretted any purchase at NWDA, the quality was there and the support for free content was certainly much appreciated as well.
Ultimately, I don't believe Danny/NWDA has the right to move any content to another distributor with different share rights or terms of service without explicit permission from each author.
Unless right to redistribute through third party dsitributors was negotiated in some fashion, like TOS/User Agreement. I don't remember this though.
And so far it seems some authors don't really care (besides Ulco), or aren't aware as there's no word from them here.
Why don't all the creators that had content on NWDA get together and decide where the best place to sell/host their content would be? Sounds like the main reason Danny decided to end the store was because of time invested in the site wasn't paying off in terms of sales. Hosting a web site these days with your own store is a lot of work.
I would love to see each individual creator host and sell their content on Gumroad, and/or Cubebrush. Gumroad has been around longer and there is more on there, but Cubebrush has better organization for users who have purchased lots of content because it has a Groups/Category function which allows users to sort and group their similar purchases.
Some content creators sell the same packages of content on both sites, which makes sense to me. Once a creator uploads and starts selling their content there is little overhead/maintenance to do.
CubeBrush (https://cubebrush.co/) and Gumroad (https://gumroad.com/) can be found here. Turbosquid is good for models, but I have heard they take too big of a cut on sales.
Just my 2-cents
-Derek
I'll check out what I have on NWDA (if I can still find it) and check out these vendor sites in due time. If it's not too much hassle, I'll consider putting up some stuff there. Though I hardly believe it's worth the trouble, as NWDA isn't going so slow with no reason.
Quote from: Dune on August 22, 2019, 01:47:58 AMThough I hardly believe it's worth the trouble, as NWDA isn't going so slow with no reason.
Unfortunately.
I hope that changes.
Quote from: D.A. Bentley on August 21, 2019, 03:55:47 PM.... (https://cubebrush.co/) Turbosquid is good for models, but I have heard they take too big of a cut on sales.
At Turbosquid, the modeler gets a higher percentage if sales of a particular model are restricted to just Turbosquid site (thru SquidGuild Program) . And CG models can fetch better prices if the modeler is willing to go through the certification process. That process is admittedly lengthy and painstaking, there's a huge learning curve, trying to qualify an existing model likely will incur lots of re-work, and I've never had a model pass certification upon the first review. But I still think it's worth the extra effort.
Quote from: masonspappy on August 22, 2019, 09:06:22 PMQuote from: D.A. Bentley on August 21, 2019, 03:55:47 PM.... (https://cubebrush.co/) Turbosquid is good for models, but I have heard they take too big of a cut on sales.
At Turbosquid, the modeler gets a higher percentage if sales of a particular model are restricted to just Turbosquid site (thru SquidGuild Program) . And CG models can fetch better prices if the modeler is willing to go through the certification process. That process is admittedly lengthy and painstaking, there's a huge learning curve, trying to qualify an existing model likely will incur lots of re-work, and I've never had a model pass certification upon the first review. But I still think it's worth the extra effort.
Considering how bad their free, and even paid models are (packaging, quality, bad normals, missing textures), that's a laughable process. I've bought a $32 dollar model, a single flipping model, for it to have missing textures, and flipped normals. I try to comment on it and get support, cause I paid for it, and it gets removed. Great QC. Oh, and not my comment, the entire model was removed by the author.
Which brings to light another concern with all these store fronts and author control. If you may a digital product, it should always be available. I can't count how many times I've gone back to fetch purchases, or even free products, over the last decade, for them to be removed from stores for no reason. There is no fab cost, limited fab, or any variables that drive these variables in the physical market, so it really just comes down to bad management when stuff disappears. It's annoying. Why I've been trying to learn modeling to do myself. All the macro stuff with blender and stuff give me a headache.
Quote from: WAS on August 22, 2019, 09:21:21 PMQuote from: masonspappy on August 22, 2019, 09:06:22 PMQuote from: D.A. Bentley on August 21, 2019, 03:55:47 PM.... (https://cubebrush.co/) Turbosquid is good for models, but I have heard they take too big of a cut on sales.
At Turbosquid, the modeler gets a higher percentage if sales of a particular model are restricted to just Turbosquid site (thru SquidGuild Program) . And CG models can fetch better prices if the modeler is willing to go through the certification process. That process is admittedly lengthy and painstaking, there's a huge learning curve, trying to qualify an existing model likely will incur lots of re-work, and I've never had a model pass certification upon the first review. But I still think it's worth the extra effort.
....that's a laughable process...
Which brings to light another concern with all these store fronts and author control. If you may a digital product, it should always be available. I can't count how many times I've gone back to fetch purchases, or even free products, over the last decade, for them to be removed from stores for no reason. There is no fab cost, limited fab, or any variables that drive these variables in the physical market, so it really just comes down to bad management when stuff disappears. It's annoying. Why I've been trying to learn modeling to do myself. All the macro stuff with blender and stuff give me a headache.
Quote from: WAS on August 22, 2019, 09:21:21 PMQuote from: masonspappy on August 22, 2019, 09:06:22 PMQuote from: D.A. Bentley on August 21, 2019, 03:55:47 PM.... (https://cubebrush.co/) Turbosquid is good for models, but I have heard they take too big of a cut on sales.
At Turbosquid, the modeler gets a higher percentage if sales of a particular model are restricted to just Turbosquid site (thru SquidGuild Program) . And CG models can fetch better prices if the modeler is willing to go through the certification process. That process is admittedly lengthy and painstaking, there's a huge learning curve, trying to qualify an existing model likely will incur lots of re-work, and I've never had a model pass certification upon the first review. But I still think it's worth the extra effort.
Considering how bad their free, and even paid models are (packaging, quality, bad normals, missing textures), that's a laughable process. I
Just to clarify, if you are referring to the TurboSquid Pro Certification I mentioned earlier, then I will respectfully but vehemently disagree with you, and would suggest following this link to better understand all the requirements necessary for Pro Certification:
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-modeling/checkmate/checkmate-specifications/checkmate-pro-specification/
The free models are, unfortunately, a crap shoot. My experience with them has been every bit as bad as yours appear to have been. And the paid models are of uneven quality - some good, some not.
Re: Blender - I'm frantically trying to transfer my Blender 2.79B skills over to the new 2.80 release that came out last week. There's some new stuff in there, but for the parts of Blender I use most it seems to me that most of what they did was rearrange everything, which is a huge PITA. And a nasty headache.
Quote from: masonspappy on August 22, 2019, 11:10:32 PMQuote from: WAS on August 22, 2019, 09:21:21 PMQuote from: masonspappy on August 22, 2019, 09:06:22 PMQuote from: D.A. Bentley on August 21, 2019, 03:55:47 PM.... (https://cubebrush.co/) Turbosquid is good for models, but I have heard they take too big of a cut on sales.
At Turbosquid, the modeler gets a higher percentage if sales of a particular model are restricted to just Turbosquid site (thru SquidGuild Program) . And CG models can fetch better prices if the modeler is willing to go through the certification process. That process is admittedly lengthy and painstaking, there's a huge learning curve, trying to qualify an existing model likely will incur lots of re-work, and I've never had a model pass certification upon the first review. But I still think it's worth the extra effort.
....that's a laughable process...
Which brings to light another concern with all these store fronts and author control. If you may a digital product, it should always be available. I can't count how many times I've gone back to fetch purchases, or even free products, over the last decade, for them to be removed from stores for no reason. There is no fab cost, limited fab, or any variables that drive these variables in the physical market, so it really just comes down to bad management when stuff disappears. It's annoying. Why I've been trying to learn modeling to do myself. All the macro stuff with blender and stuff give me a headache.
Quote from: WAS on August 22, 2019, 09:21:21 PMQuote from: masonspappy on August 22, 2019, 09:06:22 PMQuote from: D.A. Bentley on August 21, 2019, 03:55:47 PM.... (https://cubebrush.co/) Turbosquid is good for models, but I have heard they take too big of a cut on sales.
At Turbosquid, the modeler gets a higher percentage if sales of a particular model are restricted to just Turbosquid site (thru SquidGuild Program) . And CG models can fetch better prices if the modeler is willing to go through the certification process. That process is admittedly lengthy and painstaking, there's a huge learning curve, trying to qualify an existing model likely will incur lots of re-work, and I've never had a model pass certification upon the first review. But I still think it's worth the extra effort.
Considering how bad their free, and even paid models are (packaging, quality, bad normals, missing textures), that's a laughable process. I
Just to clarify, if you are referring to the TurboSquid Pro Certification I mentioned earlier, then I will respectfully but vehemently disagree with you, and would suggest following this link to better understand all the requirements necessary for Pro Certification:
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-modeling/checkmate/checkmate-specifications/checkmate-pro-specification/
The free models are, unfortunately, a crap shoot. My experience with them has been every bit as bad as yours appear to have been. And the paid models are of uneven quality - some good, some not.
Re: Blender - I'm frantically trying to transfer my Blender 2.79B skills over to the new 2.80 release that came out last week. There's some new stuff in there, but for the parts of Blender I use most it seems to me that most of what they did was rearrange everything, which is a huge PITA. And a nasty headache.
I think that's where the damage is done. I don't care about their "pro" program if they can't even manage the system in general. It's a band-aid scenario (literally just another one of their filter badges) to a shop known for overwhelmingly bad customer service and quality.
Turbosquid is very poorly put together, and I stand by my word about their CheckMate models. I mean, even their promotional images they can't help but feature out-of-the-box Daz faces lightly edited and so far in the uncanny valley they're garbage for most use. Even the animals are in the Uncanny Valley and imo that's just a show of a learning artist, and definitely not a accurate representation of a real-world object.
Making buildings look nice isn't a great representation of good quality. There are architecture generators that can do most the work for you. It's in-fact entry-level 3D design in high-school (architecture). Not your buildings, which are much more organic and beautiful, but a lot of checkmate buildings are just lots of flat planes, basic geometry, and flat textures. If that's the level of modeling experience that's needed to be a modeler than I guess I already am one while having no idea about anything complex, as I did skyscrapers that looks rather nice in high school and college, through generators mostly. Very little user-work needed besides applying aesthetics.
And if Turbosquid has such a bad rep with seasoned artists, and professionals, who write bad reviews or point people elsewhere, who are you ultimately selling too?
You can tell a mediocre model from a good one best in animals and birds. If you don't intimately know your animals it's pretty hard to make them believable from up close. And yesterday I saw polar bears of about $600 at TS which look pretty good, but still have funny faces. I don't say I can do better, though.