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News => Announcements => Topic started by: Oshyan on August 03, 2019, 07:18:00 pm

Title: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 03, 2019, 07:18:00 pm
Hi all! You've probably noticed that the look and functionality of the forums has changed quite a bit since your last visit. You're not going crazy, we've updated to a new version of our forum software, and a new theme.

Note: this post has been updated following the addition of a new light and dark theme option.

We've been waiting on the forum software development team to add useful new features like @mentions, likes, etc. and while this version isn't yet finalized, we decided to upgrade early to get access to all that great functionality. So, welcome to the future! ;D

You can find more info about new features and functions (some cool ones!), including a new Light and Dark theme option here:
https://planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,26784.0.html

Currently the forum is running in a "vanilla" mode, which means all old plugins such as enhanced search, YouTube and Vimeo embed, etc. are disabled. We'll be adding things back in slowly as we determine what is still needed, as the new SMF version actually includes some of the features we used to rely on plugins for.

The theme is also not yet customized for our look and layout preferences. Expect it to change and improve over time. But on the bright side it is now *responsive* and should look and work a lot better on mobile.

So explore the new options, "Like" a post, @mention someone, have fun, and let us know if you encounter major issues! Just remember may be a work in progress a little longer. ;)

Known issues: Looks like some of you lost your avatars in the upgrade. Not sure why, but hopefully you can re-upload them. On the bright side max avatar size is now 100x100px instead of the old, tiny 65x65. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: DannyG on August 03, 2019, 08:57:59 pm
Awesome, Looks great guys !
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 03, 2019, 08:59:31 pm
Quote from: DannyG on August 03, 2019, 08:57:59 pmAwesome, Looks great guys !
Thanks @DannyG ! I'm especially liking the new quote functionality. Will hopefully make it easier for people to use well. :)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 03, 2019, 10:04:30 pm
New theme looks alright. Glad you upgraded, page actually loads faster FYI so must be some nice improvements to SMF. If ya'll don't change the theme, it'd be cool if the orange accent theme was changed to something that matches Planetside.

Also, for the love of all that is sane, please please please make that post top-padding/margin for the HR larger. It's so odd having the line right up against the end of posts. The top-padding/margin for the like button seems like an appropriate spacing.

Also the quick edit is broken. Loads a blank post into the full editor when you save.

You also cannot upload attachments through the quoting or quick reply, which is way too common here.

Now that we are on 2.1, maybe we could install a Chat module [for members]. Might be fun? Could help with quick questions too that may not otherwise need a topic.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 03, 2019, 11:09:28 pm
Quick Edit and Quick Reply both work here.

You never could use attachments through Quick Reply. It's just functionality that never existed in SMF. You have to do Preview and then you can add them. The alternative is just to have no Quick Reply.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 03, 2019, 11:21:00 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on August 03, 2019, 11:09:28 pmQuick Edit and Quick Reply both work here.

You never could use attachments through Quick Reply. It's just functionality that never existed in SMF. You have to do Preview and then you can add them. The alternative is just to have no Quick Reply.

- Oshyan

Lol yeah, it works now. Something was fixed.

And, I know this, that's not what I mean. I'm talking about the nature of the forums here at Planetside and always attaching images for replies on support/help/conversations not to mention file shares/help.

And now there is no quote reply button to quote normally to upload an attachment that way. You have to quote, copy, than reply normally and paste.

Also, it may have always been that way for vanilla, but it can be modified. I believe it even has a global class so may be able to copypasta the attachment editor. Which, since it's a dropdown upload/editor should fit nicely with the quick reply. The edit functionality may not work though with this dynamic uploader and may actually need real editing.

Scratch that on the last part. Since it's a quick reply and never edits post it wouldn't be a problem.

Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 04, 2019, 01:48:58 am
Sorry, but I liked the old forum display way better. I had a direct link to login in my browser, and  I miss the top link to view all new posts at once. Also, I think the letters (and smileys and such) are smaller and harder to read. Only the middle part of the screen is used. I'm afraid I have to get used to this  :(
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: archonforest on August 04, 2019, 02:43:31 am
Ohh God what happened here? Everything is white, no contrast... can we have an option to change this?
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Hannes on August 04, 2019, 03:02:21 am
Quote from: Dune on August 04, 2019, 01:48:58 amSorry, but I liked the old forum display way better. I had a direct link to login in my browser, and  I miss the top link to view all new posts at once. Also, I think the letters (and smileys and such) are smaller and harder to read. Only the middle part of the screen is used. I'm afraid I have to get used to this  :(

Oh yes, I agree. Especially the top link that Ulco mentioned.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 04, 2019, 03:07:48 am
I found that link in the meantime; top right (unread posts and updated topics). But a bit bigger screen use and stronger lettering would be great. Like when you write your reply.

I do like the ability to insert more images in one go, though.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: KlausK on August 04, 2019, 05:59:08 am
Well, I am an Old Fart, I guess. I do not like change very much - especially when it does - again - like in so many places only benefit the thumb-scrolling-writing folks it seems.

Work in Progress:

- why do the descriptions of the forum sections take up so much more space than the field for the "Last Post"?
They get truncated which hinders a quick overview on opening the front page.
- the theme colours are much too bright.
- contrast too low.
- it should hopefully be possible to let me choose a dark theme later on.
- what I see on my 27" monitor is way to thin lettering - so now I am forced to use ctrl-+ to zoom in and ctrl-0 to get back to my medium default zoom level.
- a waste of screen space. But that is because of the so called "responsive" design features I presume.
- please, get rid of the stupid confirmation messages like "Do you really want to mark all messages read?"! This is and has always been...
- "Like" buttons disappear more and more from websites and this forum introduces them...I don`t get it.

This is my first impression. I know it is not fair, it is unreasonable and for sure I will have forgotten all these things in a while, but anyways.
For me webdesign went backwards with the take over of mobile phones and thumb-scrolling.

More and more I find what I find comfortable to use is less and less reflected in what I find in the (Internet) world. But that`s because I am an Old Fart and sit at home at a COMPUTER (:)!)

- ON THE PlUS SIDE (for now): the forum loads faster.
(But that might be because it runs without any plugins)

CHeers, Klaus
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 04, 2019, 06:23:15 am
In responsive I'd expect the full window size to be used, not just 2/3. It indeed takes getting used to (I don't like changes either), but some things need change.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: cyphyr on August 04, 2019, 07:15:02 am
I like the new look, not blown over by "likes" or "emotecons" but each to their own so no problemo.

I would like to see thumbnail previews of images in posts.
It would make the images forum very much more interesting.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 04, 2019, 07:35:32 am
Thumbnail previews are there alright.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: cyphyr on August 04, 2019, 07:42:30 am
Not seeing them , do they have to be enabled somehow?
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: digitalguru on August 04, 2019, 08:34:50 am
Responsiveness aside, I also prefer the old look of the forum - hope that changes.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 04, 2019, 10:56:04 am
After choosing you also have to upload (button). Don't you see any thumbnails? Not even your own, just now?
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: cyphyr on August 04, 2019, 11:32:45 am
The Ashunder forum (I think that was it) used to have a system where you could see thumbnails of all the posts in the image section at once before you opened up individual posts.
Sadly that forum and group are now gone.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: j meyer on August 04, 2019, 12:15:05 pm
I don't like the new forum version, too.
No login slot, letters too small, waste of space (screen-wise),
the new colors, but maybe some of it might change again over time,
hopefully.
Agree with Richard about the thumbnails for threads in Image Sharing.
 
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 04, 2019, 12:17:56 pm
This is just a snagged free template for this version of SMF. I am sure it will be modified or changed.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 04, 2019, 12:31:02 pm
Thanks for the feedback folks. We'll do what we can to improve various things like colors (agree that it needs more contrast). But please keep in mind that the forum's functionality and things like the confirmation messages, image posting functions, etc. are not necessarily customizable (at least not without hiring a PHP coder). We'll work within the limitations of the system we have and do our best to accommodate needs of the users.

In the meantime, I hope you enjoy the improved WYSIWYG editor (I think it's rather nice!), the @Dune "mentions" (sorry Ulco, just chose you as an example :D), and hopefully at least a few of you benefit from the improved mobile experience. 

I also want to note that an upgrade was inevitable due to updates and security improvements (e.g. Windows 7 stops being supported, Microsoft makes you move to Win 10 for security updates, same thing here). But a big part of the choice to do it sooner is a hope to actually increase traffic here, which some of you have expressed concern about in the past. There are two reasons why we felt this might help. 

First, Google searches are responsible for a lot of new incoming traffic to any website. Google prioritizes the mobile experience in search ranking now (i.e. mobile-friendly sites actually rank higher!), so improving our mobile page functionality should actually improve the forum's ranking and get new people here.

Second, many people now participate in discussions and social media on mobile devices. I am not one of those people and it sounds like many of the others who have so far responded are also not. But perhaps those sorts of people have been less inclined to come here due to the past poor mobile experience, and hopefully the improved mobile view will encourage those folks to stick around more...

Here's to the future of the forums!

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 04, 2019, 12:51:18 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on August 04, 2019, 12:31:02 pmThanks for the feedback folks. We'll do what we can to improve various things like colors (agree that it needs more contrast). But please keep in mind that the forum's functionality and things like the confirmation messages, image posting functions, etc. are not necessarily customizable (at least not without hiring a PHP coder). We'll work within the limitations of the system we have and do our best to accommodate needs of the users.

In the meantime, I hope you enjoy the improved WYSIWYG editor (I think it's rather nice!), the @Dune "mentions" (sorry Ulco, just chose you as an example :D), and hopefully at least a few of you benefit from the improved mobile experience.

I also want to note that an upgrade was inevitable due to updates and security improvements (e.g. Windows 7 stops being supported, Microsoft makes you move to Win 10 for security updates, same thing here). But a big part of the choice to do it sooner is a hope to actually increase traffic here, which some of you have expressed concern about in the past. There are two reasons why we felt this might help.

First, Google searches are responsible for a lot of new incoming traffic to any website. Google prioritizes the mobile experience in search ranking now (i.e. mobile-friendly sites actually rank higher!), so improving our mobile page functionality should actually improve the forum's ranking and get new people here.

Second, many people now participate in discussions and social media on mobile devices. I am not one of those people and it sounds like many of the others who have so far responded are also not. But perhaps those sorts of people have been less inclined to come here due to the past poor mobile experience, and hopefully the improved mobile view will encourage those folks to stick around more...

Here's to the future of the forums!

- Oshyan

Honestly I'm on my phone here a lot. Maybe even equally, and I found the previous version more intuitive. So I had to double tap once to zoom (which I still end up doing on mobile sites too often, soo, huh). Lol

Also, the mobile-first shift will not effect you if you have no mobile version as per-Google:

Quote from: GoogleDesktop only: Your site is desktop only and doesn't have a mobile-friendly version.    

No change. The mobile version is the same as the desktop version.

Google is using the same indexes, and just discerning if the system uses mobile terminology, or even a mobile switch like ?browser=mobile sorta deal to differentiate in a link.

Basically now, being mobile friendly, there will be duplicate links possibly in Google. Mobile friendlies and same links in Desktop mode.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 04, 2019, 12:55:02 pm
Understandable. I hope it works out as you expect, we certainly need more users here. Slowly getting used to it  ;)
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Asterlil on August 04, 2019, 01:01:40 pm
I would bet that, in future, we'll get a choice of themes -- I would prefer something a little darker than this, but I don't like dead black either. Apart from that, I like the new design, and appreciate that "succumbing" to responsive design will always mean a bit of dead space for users on laptops and towers. I like the YouTube embed button, too.

Terragen already has a core of users who keep this forum lively and friendly without being condescending to newbies. The Blender Artists forum might be jumpin', but I avoid it because there are sarcasm trolls there who can make you wish you'd never submitted a new topic. ("How come you don't know that? I know that and I'm only 14 years old.")

What about your Twitter presence? That's where I hang out with Blenderheads, and I also follow the Terragen account but almost never see a tweet from youse guys there.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 04, 2019, 01:06:25 pm
We don't intend to provide a choice of themes unless we find a good theme that comes in several color options already. The work needed to setup several good color variations is just not worth it (at least given that we're not web developers :P ). But we felt the previous design struck a good balance of light and dark and we'll aim for a similar balance as we adjust the theme in the future.

We post to Twitter as regularly as we do Facebook, which is to say whenever we have new content to share. At least once a week, usually a couple times. And we interact with any active users on there, which is always nice. Would love to have more interaction there!

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 04, 2019, 01:13:44 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on August 04, 2019, 01:06:25 pmWe don't intend to provide a choice of themes unless we find a good theme that comes in several color options already. The work needed to setup several good color variations is just not worth it (at least given that we're not web developers :P ). But we felt the previous design struck a good balance of light and dark and we'll aim for a similar balance as we adjust the theme in the future.

We post to Twitter as regularly as we do Facebook, which is to say whenever we have new content to share. At least once a week, usually a couple times. And we interact with any active users on there, which is always nice. Would love to have more interaction there!

- Oshyan

Remember, Twitter and Instragram, feed of seemingly-irrelevant topics that only slightly relate. Maybe post about trends in 3D graphics, new breakthroughs, films coming out using digital landscapes, etc. I see this sort of "conersation starter" topics on all the other helms.

Plus some of those areas give opportunities to discuss Terragen, like environments. "These sorts of environments are achievable within Terragen, yada" sorta deal.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 04, 2019, 01:43:26 pm
I've added a post that goes over the major new features/functionality, some of which I hope even the old timers will like (Drafts!). :D

https://planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,26784.0.html (https://planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,26784.0.html)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 04, 2019, 02:27:16 pm
Looks like some of you lost your avatars in the upgrade. Not sure why, but hopefully you can re-upload them. On the bright side max avatar size is now 100x100px instead of the old, tiny 65x65. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 04, 2019, 02:40:49 pm
Are gravatars enabled by default? If so, old accounts may need to enable it.

Additionally... it's using a gravatar that's really old, which I don't even understand. There has been two since. The one it's using is literally over 5 years old.

Tried manually setting the email to get it to refresh but it's still showing old one. O.o So confused. Comments on websites seem to use the newest one.

Adding a new email to gravatar worked. Lol
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 04, 2019, 04:30:11 pm
Wow! Very different...

I can't say if I like or don't like the new forum design so far. It depends on how it can be handled in the future, how quickly I find things that I am looking for and how it can be individually adapted to your own needs.

Right now I like the fresh look. But the contrast in the old look had a special charm and has stood out from many other forums.

But I'll patiently wait and see, what happens next, what possibilities this forum version will offer...
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 04, 2019, 04:41:32 pm
Quote from: DocCharly65 on August 04, 2019, 04:30:11 pmWow! Very different...

I can't say if I like or don't like the new forum design so far. It depends on how it can be handled in the future, how quickly I find things that I am looking for and how it can be individually adapted to your own needs.

Right now I like the fresh look. But the contrast in the old look had a special charm and has stood out from many other forums.

But I'll patiently wait and see, what happens next, what possibilities this forum version will offer...


Though might I say your Avatar brings a special charm to the template. :P
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Asterlil on August 05, 2019, 01:22:50 am
I am following Planetside, but I sought ought your Twitter home page and "liked" everything in sight to see if the twitter algorithm will give you better visibility in my feed.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 05, 2019, 02:33:58 am
So a little unintuitive for mobile but posting actions etc are in the User Actions button. Which brings up a whole annoying overlay. Buttons work fine. Don't get their logic sometimes; just trying to be flashy?

I'm case anyone is confused that's where they are at.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 05, 2019, 02:46:40 am
One other thing that's different is the linking. Previously a link would open in a _blank window, which I prefer. Now it replaces the thread you're in, which makes it harder to get back to where you were. Can that be changed? I guess it can.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 05, 2019, 03:08:53 am
Good morning Ulco :)

I usually open links by clicking on the the mousewheel button. In most brouwsers this should open  the link in a new tab.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 05, 2019, 03:20:09 am
Thanks Nils. I know, but I have to get that into my system again  ;)

Another thing that is annoying is that if you login, previously the time you wanted to stay loggged in would be remembered (I set it at 'forever' just once). Now, I've gone away from my machine for a while (hour) and had to login again, because I forgot to set 'forever'. Not terrible, but still... have to put that in my system too.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 05, 2019, 03:25:35 am
Quote from: Dune on August 05, 2019, 02:46:40 amOne other thing that's different is the linking. Previously a link would open in a _blank window, which I prefer. Now it replaces the thread you're in, which makes it harder to get back to where you were. Can that be changed? I guess it can.

I noticed that too. I had to right-click -> new tab.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 05, 2019, 02:38:03 pm
Clicking on images mostly gives me a new window still here. For example in your post here:
https://planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php?msg=267318
All 4 of those images open in a new window. Do they not for you? 

Sometimes I get image expanding in the post area, not sure if that's just for images previously posted with our old image handling system. But in any case the behavior seems correct *most* of the time, fortunately. 

If you have an example thread that shows the wrong behavior link it here and I'll take a look. I know I've seen it too, recently, but it also happened occasionally on the old forums.

There is also a way to insert an image in-line into your message. Once you add an attachment there's an "insert" button...

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 07, 2019, 03:47:00 pm
I'm not sure if this was mentioned (I didn't notice) but clicking on the icon of a forum on the main board that is lit up (new messages) it will take you to a list of only the new messages. Honestly don't think I ever noticed the buttons were clickable. Lol In fact in other forum software I'd remove them and just use the whole row color as a indicator.

Screenshot_208.jpg Screenshot_209.jpg
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 07, 2019, 03:50:44 pm
Quote from: WASasquatch on August 07, 2019, 03:47:00 pmI'm not sure if this was mentioned (I didn't notice) but clicking on the icon of a forum on the main board that is lit up (new messages) it will take you to a list of only the new messages. Honestly don't think I ever noticed the buttons were clickable. Lol In fact in other forum software I'd remove them and just use the whole row color as a indicator.

Screenshot_208.jpg Screenshot_209.jpg

Yeah, that's always been there actually. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 07, 2019, 04:09:46 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on August 07, 2019, 03:50:44 pm
Quote from: WASasquatch on August 07, 2019, 03:47:00 pmI'm not sure if this was mentioned (I didn't notice) but clicking on the icon of a forum on the main board that is lit up (new messages) it will take you to a list of only the new messages. Honestly don't think I ever noticed the buttons were clickable. Lol In fact in other forum software I'd remove them and just use the whole row color as a indicator.

Screenshot_208.jpg Screenshot_209.jpg

Yeah, that's always been there actually. :D

- Oshyan

Haha, I usually find them disruptive  since I'm usually looking at the recent topic or just new topics page. I accidentally clicked on it and I was like "Where am I?"
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 08, 2019, 02:10:49 am
Never noticed that button either, always using this one. Not skipping any new post.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Matt on August 09, 2019, 01:46:13 pm
The discussion about documentation has been moved here: https://planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,26812.0.html
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: cyphyr on August 12, 2019, 06:30:03 am
I'm having problems posting anything that has a link in FireFox.

I keep getting a pop-up:

CleanTalk:***Forbidden. Please enable JavaScript.***

Then when I go to post again after removing any links I am told I have already posted only to find that there is nothing there.

Can't seem to find any reference to JavaScript in my current version of FireFox.
I thought JavaScrit was pretty much superseded.
And I have just checked and it is enabled :(

CleanTalk.JPG
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 12, 2019, 12:17:46 pm
Strange error. CleanTalk is an anti-spam system we're testing out. I've seen a couple issues with it, they seem fairly rare, but I'm not sure we'll continue with it given those and your experience here.

Do you have any ad or script blocking plugins enabled? How did you add the URL, simply pasting it in directly to the text in your edit window, or did you highlight existing text and add a link to it?

Btw Javascript is very much alive, in fact it is more and more popular. Most of the interactivity or dynamics you see on websites these days are powered by Javascript, rather than older tech like Flash. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 12, 2019, 12:56:29 pm
Quote from: cyphyr on August 12, 2019, 06:30:03 amI'm having problems posting anything that has a link in FireFox.

I keep getting a pop-up:

CleanTalk:***Forbidden. Please enable JavaScript.***

Then when I go to post again after removing any links I am told I have already posted only to find that there is nothing there.

Can't seem to find any reference to JavaScript in my current version of FireFox.
I thought JavaScrit was pretty much superseded.
And I have just checked and it is enabled :(

CleanTalk.JPG

I noticed this same thing already posting another bug on SMF main website themselves getting some support on something. It took me twice to post a topic, few times to post a reply to said topic. Their security measures for posts is buggy.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 12, 2019, 01:05:59 pm
Was it the same error? CleanTalk is not part of SMF by default. I'd be curious to know if SMF is officially using it on their own forums.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 12, 2019, 04:04:48 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on August 12, 2019, 01:05:59 pmWas it the same error? CleanTalk is not part of SMF by default. I'd be curious to know if SMF is officially using it on their own forums.

- Oshyan

Yeah, same error about post already made. Going back would produce this error, I had to go back to main topic/board and hit reply/new thread.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 12, 2019, 04:22:55 pm
Ah, that's one of the errors he got, but not the one about CleanTalk. In the case of "post already made", sometimes refreshing the page will fix that. It happened occasionally on the old forums too.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 12, 2019, 06:19:36 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on August 12, 2019, 04:22:55 pmAh, that's one of the errors he got, but not the one about CleanTalk. In the case of "post already made", sometimes refreshing the page will fix that. It happened occasionally on the old forums too.

- Oshyan

Specifically, refreshing, or going back, wouldn't let me do it. I had to go back to the board/topic and hit the button all over to start a form. I think regardless of CleanTalk they are sending form tokens. As these days, you can mask where a request is coming from to make it seem like it's the server doing it so domain checking doesn't work anymore, or at least shouldn't be relied on. For example, if I changed my host file to mask my localhost as a domain name "planetside.co.uk" or w/e, the request headers will show that domain so the actual server using that TLD will think it's from itself.

So I think the token is somehow being saved (draft system) and thus acting like it's been posted.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 15, 2019, 02:08:27 am
Good news everyone! With help from @WASasquatch we've now got nice, customized Light and Dark theme options for you! Head on over to the new features post for more info and instructions on how to switch.

https://planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,26784.0.html

P.S. CleanTalk is also now uninstalled. Let's see how the spam goes...

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: cyphyr on August 15, 2019, 05:01:27 am
Like the new theme, thank you all :)
Don't like that it extends right across my wide-screen monitor, prefer full screen with large left and right padding. but that is a small gripe.

So CleanTalk is an anti spam filter ... hmm might want to put that back then, but I guess we'll see. We have been blessedly spam free for the most part. Of course the ability to post links is necessary so a conundrum indeed.

Cheers
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: digitalguru on August 15, 2019, 06:21:02 am
I really like it now (the dark theme) , better than the original I think.

Quote from: cyphyr on August 15, 2019, 05:01:27 amDon't like that it extends right across my wide-screen monitor
Agreed at first glance, but ultimately better for posting images.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 15, 2019, 12:08:31 pm
Quote from: cyphyr on August 15, 2019, 05:01:27 amLike the new theme, thank you all :)
Don't like that it extends right across my wide-screen monitor, prefer full screen with large left and right padding. but that is a small gripe.

So CleanTalk is an anti spam filter ... hmm might want to put that back then, but I guess we'll see. We have been blessedly spam free for the most part. Of course the ability to post links is necessary so a conundrum indeed.

Cheers
I knew someone would say this after others said the other was too compact and in the center of the screen. Lol

What resolution are you at?
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 15, 2019, 12:58:48 pm
It's pretty hard to set margins that work for all screen widths unfortunately. Anyone above 1080p will want to view the forums in a non-maximized window. Personally at 1080p I find it works well though (any wider and it'd be too much for me).

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 15, 2019, 02:04:03 pm
Quote from: Oshyan on August 15, 2019, 12:58:48 pmIt's pretty hard to set margins that work for all screen widths unfortunately. Anyone above 1080p will want to view the forums in a non-maximized window. Personally at 1080p I find it works well though (any wider and it'd be too much for me).

- Oshyan

We could add a simple 'max-width: 1080px' 'max-width: 1920px;' for non-mobile devices, which would keep the template at a 1920 width, and keep them from growing. With 8k on the way as a standard it may be appropriate.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 15, 2019, 02:47:39 pm
So far I only recognized the new design.
I am only on a 1-2 minutes visit here and the first impression is good!

...if this post works, the second impression is as good ;)
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Hannes on August 16, 2019, 12:37:16 pm
I really like the dark theme. But what I'm missing is a more prominent color on the "New" button (or whatever it's called) of the threads. It's grey, and I always liked the orange color which is easier to distinguish from the rest.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 16, 2019, 01:20:32 pm
Unread posts should be fat and red! That's the one I always use ;)
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 16, 2019, 01:24:50 pm
Quote from: Dune on August 16, 2019, 01:20:32 pmUnread posts should be fat and red! That's the one I always use ;)

Honestly I just notice a huge button added before posts, regardless of colour, that says "NEW" in big bold letters. Lol Definitely noticeable regardless of color, as it's obtrusive to text flow.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: cyphyr on August 17, 2019, 11:04:17 am
Quote from: WASasquatch on August 15, 2019, 12:08:31 pmI knew someone would say this after others said the other was too compact and in the center of the screen. Lol
Sorry for the late reply, been away out of internet range :)

You can't please everyone and I'm not that bothered really.
My main monitor is  HD ultra wide which comes in at 3440 x 1440 so if you can make it work with that as a separate setting ... then wooHoo :)
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 17, 2019, 12:43:05 pm
Quote from: cyphyr on August 17, 2019, 11:04:17 am
Quote from: WASasquatch on August 15, 2019, 12:08:31 pmI knew someone would say this after others said the other was too compact and in the center of the screen. Lol
Sorry for the late reply, been away out of internet range :)

You can't please everyone and I'm not that bothered really.
My main monitor is  HD ultra wide which comes in at 3440 x 1440 so if you can make it work with that as a separate setting ... then wooHoo :)

Yeah and I know people who already use 8k displays cause of their gaming rigs, so only a matter of time before that spills over to peoples workspaces, which would make viewing the forum even harder with it stretching to compensate.

I honestly think Desktop browsers like Mobile, should start incorporating their own resolutions for the viewport. On mobile, for example, my phone is the same resolution as your desktop, but the browser doesn't waste computation on that, and displays the browser with a maximum width of 480px/vw (in portrait).
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Denis Sirenko on August 20, 2019, 04:36:20 am
Honestly, the previous narrow design scared me a little, I did not understand what was happening. And this design, especially white ... I'm just in love.

UPD: Ups, Google Translate (an extension for Google Chrome) stopped working here, which shows a quick translation near to the selected piece of text. Maybe this is due to the appeared citation functionality.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 20, 2019, 11:38:58 am
Quote from: Denis Sirenko on August 20, 2019, 04:36:20 amHonestly, the previous narrow design scared me a little, I did not understand what was happening. And this design, especially white ... I'm just in love.

UPD: Ups, Google Translate (an extension for Google Chrome) stopped working here, which shows a quick translation near to the selected piece of text. Maybe this is due to the appeared citation functionality.

Well that's not good. I wonder what would break it. The content that isn't static is what you edit or post with quick reply. Everything else is and should be available to DOM parsers.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Denis Sirenko on August 21, 2019, 02:51:54 am
I don't know what "static content" is. But when you select a piece of text in a post, the "Quote selected text" button appears. I think it intercepts the initiative and does not allow Google translate to do its job. But this is just my guess.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 21, 2019, 10:35:00 pm
It has to be something with their DOM parser inspecting the page. I tried the Google Translator for Firefox (a plugin) and it was able to translate all the topics I visited to Spanish, French, and Swedish. Perhaps there is another tool you can use?

I don't know if you are familiar with UserScripts for browsers, but if all else fails I could create one that like, I don't know, adds a button to the top of the page with a dropdown of languages that you can select to change the page language. Might be helpful for others.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: WAS on August 22, 2019, 03:12:38 am
This may not solve your problem, @Denis Sirenko , but I implemented the full Google Translate API and a selector (which will auto-translate): https://planetside.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,26862.0.html
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Tangled-Universe on August 30, 2019, 07:13:54 am
I have some reservations about the new forum theme/implementation.

I find posting images not so straight forward. You can only do it when pressing reply, not quick reply.
Also, needing to select them AND press upload?

I just altered a message with a lot of info and accidentally pressed reply instead of save, causing a new frame to load to reply in the topic, while I actually meant to save my changes to my message.
Of course, my mistake, but because the forum layout still presents it so clearly I was easily tricked in doing so.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on August 31, 2019, 01:49:26 am
Yes, it takes getting used to, but I do like it now. I always typed in my login stuff and hit enter, discovering that after an hour I was logged out. The previous version remembered my 'forever' preference, this one doesn't.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on August 31, 2019, 06:12:21 pm
The previous forum version and theme *also* did not allow you to attach things with Quick Reply. I've always been annoyed at that limitation as well, but it's not new, at the least. As for the new attachment system, I agree the extra click of "Upload" is annoying but... remember back to the old system? You used to have to do this to attach multiple files:

1: Click "Add attachment"
2: Add each attachment *one by one*

If you have 5 attachments, that's 5 clicks of each, 10 total.

In the new system you click Add Files, select as many as you want. Then click Upload once. Maximum 2 clicks for any number of files (unless they are located in different folders, of course). So the new way is more efficient, though I agree in some way it is less intuitive, which is interesting.

As for the forum logged-in status being remembered, Matt has also encountered this, while I haven't. So it's quite odd. I don't really have a solution except to try clearing your cookies or at least deleting the ones for Planetside, then re-login and be sure to check "Forever".

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on September 01, 2019, 02:06:55 am
I always have my cookies and trackers cleaned by CCleaner after each day online, and previously that didn't change the remembering of my prefs, so the information must have been stored elsewhere, maybe in the forum or link itself or so. But it's no big deal, just have to remember it.
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Oshyan on September 01, 2019, 03:30:22 pm
Huh, that's quite strange as I'm 99% certain that forum logged-in status - and indeed logged-in status for *any* online service - is always stored in Cookies. Do you lose logged-in status for *other* websites?

- Oshyan
Title: Re: New forum version and theme - updates ongoing
Post by: Dune on September 02, 2019, 01:05:14 am
Yeah, cookies are dumped then too, and I thought it was strange, but never complained :P  And I can't say that it happens elsewhere, as TG is the only login I actually use much. Others are very sporadic.