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Title: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: j meyer on August 07, 2019, 12:43:13 pm
Hi there,
long time no image post.
To change that here is a little test I did recently. After seeing and inspecting René's
Manhattan Project.... uhm errrh Manhattan .tgd(thanks René) it dawned on me that
I had never tried to apply an Alpha (Depth Grab) as Vector-Displacement. So I went
ahead and did it.
And while I was at it I tried to apply some colours with colour adjusted image masks
as well.

VD---test-2-col---d6aa6.jpg

For your convenience here is a comparison gif of another version.

VD----test-2b.gif
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: WAS on August 07, 2019, 01:56:10 pm
Quote from: j meyer on August 07, 2019, 12:43:13 pmHi there,
long time no image post.
To change that here is a little test I did recently. After seeing and inspecting René's
Manhattan Project.... uhm errrh Manhattan .tgd(thanks René) it dawned on me that
I had never tried to apply an Alpha (Depth Grab) as Vector-Displacement. So I went
ahead and did it.
And while I was at it I tried to apply some colours with colour adjusted image masks
as well.

VD---test-2-col---d6aa6.jpg

For your convenience here is a comparison gif of another version.

VD----test-2b.gif

That's pretty cool, and you don't get weird angling? Usually without actual R and B data the vector displacement will lean a direction.
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: Oshyan on August 07, 2019, 02:39:51 pm
Very cool!

- Oshyan
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 07, 2019, 03:34:27 pm
So cool! Looks great!
Funny thing: last weekend I watched Andromeda Strain on TV and when I saw this I was immediately remembered to that film! :)
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: cyphyr on August 07, 2019, 03:59:34 pm
Impressive work
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: N-drju on August 08, 2019, 02:03:21 am
Interesting feature. Though I would not recommend it to people with hole-o-phobia. ;)
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: Dune on August 08, 2019, 02:23:21 am
Nice to see you again, Jochen! Great effect, looks like something organic.

The vdisp 'problem' is however still present. It's all displaced to left and up, at least the ribbons are. Can't see how the holes are done, separete normal displacement?
I've used vdisp to get outcrops on many occasions (trying to avoid a compute terrain/normal), and if using any other than perlin, you get ridges on one side and billows on the other. The best way to get say billows on each side is to mask each side's vdsip by an angle mask, and use 4 vdisp shaders.
But then it's easier to just add one compute terrain/normal  ;)
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: j meyer on August 08, 2019, 12:27:43 pm
Thanks all. :)

Indeed the vdisp 'problem' (weird angling) is still there in some places unfortunately,
but nonetheless  vdisp yields better results than normal displacement here. Lowered
the x and z values and upped the y to compensate a bit.
A compute terrain/normal didn't help either.
Ribbons/veins and holes are both done with the same tiling depth grab in one step.
Only colours are done with 3 masks derived from the depth grab.Topmost ribbons,
the smaller ones and the holes.
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: archonforest on August 08, 2019, 12:29:37 pm
Great work Jochen!
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: WAS on August 08, 2019, 02:45:56 pm
Quote from: j meyer on August 08, 2019, 12:27:43 pmThanks all. :)

Indeed the vdisp 'problem' (weird angling) is still there in some places unfortunately,
but nonetheless  vdisp yields better results than normal displacement here. Lowered
the x and z values and upped the y to compensate a bit.
A compute terrain/normal didn't help either.
Ribbons/veins and holes are both done with the same tiling depth grab in one step.
Only colours are done with 3 masks derived from the depth grab.Topmost ribbons,
the smaller ones and the holes.

I wonder if you could use a twist and sheer to lean back the displacement.
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: Dune on August 09, 2019, 03:20:04 am
It would tilt the whole lot. You could add a + or - color to the vdisp input, but that wouldn't remedy it really. What I said earlier; you'd basically need 4 vdisps in all different directions masked by those directions (normals).
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: j meyer on August 09, 2019, 12:48:52 pm
Ulco, have you ever tried your 4 vdisp method with a seamless tiling image?
My guess would be that you would loose the seamlessness or am I wrong?
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: SILENCER on August 09, 2019, 06:55:27 pm
That first image
You ever see The Andromeda Strain?
Reminds me of the inside of the Scoop VII satellite
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: Dune on August 10, 2019, 02:28:46 am
I've experimented with it, but never adequate enough to determine that. But I'd say you're right. Vdisp is still a bit awkward. Btw. was it 32-bit exr you used or 'just' a grey tiff?
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: j meyer on August 10, 2019, 01:09:47 pm
Silencer - I'm not sure wether I've seen it or not. If so it was long ago.


The basic 'hills' were done with a 32-bit exr, but for the 'veins and holes' I've
used a 16-bit greyscale psd (ZB-Depth-Grab).
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: WAS on August 10, 2019, 01:23:10 pm
32bit float Tiff's work great in TG FYI
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: Dune on August 11, 2019, 03:55:09 am
Oh yes, I know.
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: WAS on August 11, 2019, 04:01:02 am
Quote from: Dune on August 11, 2019, 03:55:09 amOh yes, I know.

Oh I love this, it totally looks like a Bear. Was that the intent? Cause people would totally name that landmark after a Bear. Lol
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: Dune on August 11, 2019, 04:13:32 am
Sure, sculpted a 'bear' in mudbox and grabbed a 32-bit displacement map.
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: archonforest on August 11, 2019, 04:58:10 am
LOL! Freaking cool.
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: Agura Nata on August 21, 2019, 08:58:57 am
Cool stuff! :)
Title: Re: V-Disp and colouring test
Post by: DocCharly65 on August 23, 2019, 01:48:34 am
Quote from: archonforest on August 11, 2019, 04:58:10 amLOL! Freaking cool.
exactly my thoughts ;D