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Title: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Seth on February 11, 2009, 11:09:14 am
sometimes, i can see people talking to each others on the forum with a difference of 1 minute between the posts so i was wandering... why don't you put a little shoutbox or chatroom on the forum... ? it might improve the communication sometimes ^^
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 11, 2009, 11:19:57 am
Ooooh.  Good idea.   ;D
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Dark Fire on February 11, 2009, 11:30:02 am
I agree. I would suggest Jibdig (I think there was a Terragen thing there), but it hasn't been working for years...
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 11:36:22 am
I agree, but I also don't...

I agree if the chatlog is being posted as a message afterwards.
If not I don't :)

Many times other people are also interested in the subject, especially when it is a problem or a way to make something really cool. It would then be killing for the forum if information gets lost due to a chatfunction.

Or is this a stupid thought?

Martin
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Dark Fire on February 11, 2009, 11:38:30 am
But that would make us like XDA-Developers - we'd end up telling everyone with random basic questions just to use the search feature of the forums.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 11:39:38 am
Quote from: Dark Fire on February 11, 2009, 11:38:30 am
But that would make us like XDA-Developers - we'd end up telling everyone with random basic questions just to use the search feature of the forums.


In regard to whose post is this? I think I don't understand?
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Seth on February 11, 2009, 11:41:12 am
no, that is not stupid. But sometimes people just keep talking to each others with (sorry to say that) almost zero interest for other people not involved in the talking...
I just submit the idea because sometimes chatting allows better understanding than posting (well to me it does sometimes)


ps : for example, while i was writing, there were people posting in this thread so i have the message
QuoteWarning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
...
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Dark Fire on February 11, 2009, 11:43:29 am
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 11:39:38 am
Quote from: Dark Fire on February 11, 2009, 11:38:30 am
But that would make us like XDA-Developers - we'd end up telling everyone with random basic questions just to use the search feature of the forums.


In regard to whose post is this? I think I don't understand?

To yours. I'd hardly be replying to my own post.
The point is that these forums would become an inherently less friendly place, and swamped with random information.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 11:46:49 am
I understand you point, but I think a lot of useful information for other people will be lost when they are going on chat.

I live in the Netherlands and what if American people are having an interesting discussion about whatever....I won't be able to participate because it's probably in the middle of the night here. So there's no way I can ever get to that info, because there are no forum-posts about it.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Seth on February 11, 2009, 11:50:14 am
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 11:46:49 am


I live in the Netherlands and what if American people are having an interesting discussion about whatever....I won't be able to participate because it's probably in the middle of the night here. So there's no way I can ever get to that info, because there are no forum-posts about it.


totally right !
but i was thinking about a less technical chatting place...
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Dark Fire on February 11, 2009, 11:57:02 am
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 11:46:49 am
I understand you point, but I think a lot of useful information for other people will be lost when they are going on chat.

I live in the Netherlands and what if American people are having an interesting discussion about whatever....I won't be able to participate because it's probably in the middle of the night here. So there's no way I can ever get to that info, because there are no forum-posts about it.

The amount of data that could generate would be obscene though, and a lot of it would be rubbish because many people will use it as Seth says.
Also, if it's that important to you, I'm sure you could set up a system to create a log for yourself or *gasps* stay awake.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 11, 2009, 12:11:48 pm
Dark Fire, he's in the Netherlands Germany.  Don't be a futz.

Anyway, chat can have its use for quickfire conversations and wouldn't be used for instruction - I wouldn't use it that way, but I might ask questions from someone.  It depends on how it's used.  If someone doesn't use the chat, no one could force them.  But, if two or more people wanted to discuss something rather right then and there with the details at hand, chat is useful.

Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Dark Fire on February 11, 2009, 12:31:29 pm
Who's in Germany? I'm confused now.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 12:35:42 pm
Yeah, who's in Germany? And what's a 'futz'???
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 11, 2009, 01:39:06 pm
TU - you're in Germany, aren't you?  And a 'futz' is a putz with a tendency to f^@% around with people.

Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Seth on February 11, 2009, 01:57:32 pm
nope ! he's in Netherlands...
and what is a putz ?
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 11, 2009, 02:03:25 pm
LOL

Netherlands -- Current local time: 8:01 PM on Wednesday, February 11

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/putz

I'm beginning to wish this thread had stayed on focus.   :-[


Quote from: Seth on February 11, 2009, 01:57:32 pm
nope ! he's in Netherlands...
and what is a putz ?
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Seth on February 11, 2009, 02:23:23 pm
yeah chat !
that's exactly the kind of subject than can be discussed on a chat and doesn't need to be on the forum ^^ (origin of  T-U i mean) ^^
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: arisdemos on February 11, 2009, 02:50:18 pm
It is hard to chat around a putz.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 11, 2009, 04:13:28 pm
But, then the putz can eat ice cream be banned, especially if the putz is futzing around.

Quote from: arisdemos on February 11, 2009, 02:50:18 pm
It is hard to chat around a putz.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: PG on February 11, 2009, 05:25:29 pm
Isn't the idea of a chatbox to chat? So questions would be restricted to the forums and the chatbox would just be for inane comment.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Seth on February 11, 2009, 05:26:18 pm
Quote from: PG on February 11, 2009, 05:25:29 pm
Isn't the idea of a chatbox to chat? So questions would be restricted to the forums and the chatbox would just be for inane comment.



yep agree !
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 06:04:32 pm
Quote from: calico on February 11, 2009, 01:39:06 pm
TU - you're in Germany, aren't you?  And a 'futz' is a putz with a tendency to f^@% around with people.



So you're talking about me I presume and you think I should be banned?

Hmmm...as far as I know I've only added constructive thoughts to the discussion about a possible chat-function here, so I can't really follow your thoughts about me here.

Care to explain?

Martin
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 11, 2009, 07:13:35 pm
Martin, NOOOO.  LOL  I wasn't talking about you.

I was talking to Dark Fire who said something to you about staying awake.  LOL  Banned?  HA!!! 



Quote from: Tangled-Universe on February 11, 2009, 06:04:32 pm
Quote from: calico on February 11, 2009, 01:39:06 pm
TU - you're in Germany, aren't you?  And a 'futz' is a putz with a tendency to f^@% around with people.



So you're talking about me I presume and you think I should be banned?

Hmmm...as far as I know I've only added constructive thoughts to the discussion about a possible chat-function here, so I can't really follow your thoughts about me here.

Care to explain?

Martin
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Tangled-Universe on February 12, 2009, 03:20:03 am
Ah ok, my apologies :)
People don't use quotes very often so sometimes it's hard to follow who's saying what to who.
But never mind :)

Martin
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 12, 2009, 08:38:08 am
I try to be honest about everything.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: mr-miley on February 12, 2009, 09:16:21 am
I think a chat app would (or should I say COULD) be useful and nice. They could work it like Facebook does. Mind you, there is always MS Messenger, AIM etc

Miles

P.S. Calico... stop causing trouble  ;D
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Dark Fire on February 12, 2009, 11:53:30 am
So you want to ban someone who you rarely have to put up with, who provides free (although pretty basic) Terragen-related software and who argued for a lack of chat logs, which seems to be what people are leaning towards? If that's so, then...bye.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 12, 2009, 01:24:16 pm
LOL

Stop kidding around...or are you serious?  If so, I'm not talking about banning anyone.  Dude.


Quote from: Dark Fire on February 12, 2009, 11:53:30 am
So you want to ban someone who you rarely have to put up with, who provides free (although pretty basic) Terragen-related software and who argued for a lack of chat logs, which seems to be what people are leaning towards? If that's so, then...bye.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: PG on February 12, 2009, 02:35:47 pm
Somehow I think calico was using the term rather lightly and when someone didn't know what the word meant he gave the "official" definition.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: rcallicotte on February 12, 2009, 04:36:00 pm
Yes. 

Quote from: PG on February 12, 2009, 02:35:47 pm
Somehow I think calico was using the term rather lightly and when someone didn't know what the word meant he gave the "official" definition.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Oshyan on February 13, 2009, 02:29:02 am
While the idea of people using chat for more "casual, conversational" things is great, vs. using the forums for discussion of technical things and how to accomplish effects, how do you really make sure this is the case? It's not like people on a TG forum/chat won't talk about TG, and surely some interesting and useful things will come up. So then must they reproduce it in a forum thread? Or will they have the discipline at that time to say "Wait, we should go continue this on the forum."? I doubt it. Having tried chat apps before on some of the sites I have run, I honestly didn't find them to be that great a feature. But I'm open to more discussion on it, and of course mine is not the only opinion that matters. ;)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Seth on February 13, 2009, 02:55:01 am
i understand, but i thought we were a bunch of adults...
if you think people can't just discipline themselves... I don't know, the forum seems very "clean" and people sounds very "professionnal" most of the time...
at least that's the feeling I have... ^^
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Oshyan on February 13, 2009, 03:19:08 am
It's that I don't think people have "self control", I just think it would naturally evolve into "technique" discussion, and people just wouldn't think of it, or it would be a hassle to move the conversation to the forums. At the same time I don't see a great deal of benefit from having it. I don't mean to be negative, that's just the way I see it. I've had the same conversation (and done some tests as well) on a few of the sites I've run, too... ;D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Tangled-Universe on February 13, 2009, 06:41:15 am
I agree with your thoughts/feelings about this Oshyan.
Simply said: everybody here shares the same interest, TG, so it's very unlikely a chat won't be about TG.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Dark Fire on February 13, 2009, 01:35:48 pm
Quote from: PG on February 12, 2009, 02:35:47 pm
Somehow I think calico was using the term rather lightly and when someone didn't know what the word meant he gave the "official" definition.

Whether they're used lightly or not, I do not appreciate words that I have to look up on Google and/or Urban Dictionary being used against me.

Quote from: Oshyan on February 13, 2009, 03:19:08 am
It's that I don't think people have "self control", I just think it would naturally evolve into "technique" discussion, and people just wouldn't think of it, or it would be a hassle to move the conversation to the forums.

- Oshyan


*CompSci mode on*
The logical solution to that would be a chat system that starts logging a certain number of messages, when certain keywords are mentioned (and, of course, if more keywords are mentioned, it continues logging).
*CompSci mode off*
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: PG on February 13, 2009, 01:48:14 pm
I'm on a website called mafiascene and we used to "moderate" the shoutbox ourselves. If someone asked questions about Mafia the game then we'd tell them to ask the question on the forums instead. Then the staff got all high and mighty and said it was their job to moderate. Now we have about 5 spam topics created every day ;D
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Cephei on March 18, 2009, 08:08:06 pm
I Think a chatbox would be cool, But only in Open Discussion.

To avoid 'help' threads from losing posts that may contain a useful solution...
It's much easier to see replies than to scroll through 400 pages worth of chat. That may be Relevant or Irrelevant. Wheras in Open discussion, there wouldn't be such a problem.
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: freelancah on March 18, 2009, 10:33:48 pm
Why not use IRC networks like quakenet?
Title: Re: chat on the forum ?
Post by: Cyber-Angel on March 18, 2009, 10:48:54 pm
The thing about IRC is, that not everyone has an IRC software Client on their system nor indeed would wish to have one and/or knows how to use IRC which can be quite complex at times, getting on towards a BBS at times and this would exclude users whom don't this technology. If [in Principle] a chat system where implemented here it would need to be based on some thing accessible to all some thing Java based maybe, since I know nothing more about this subject I'll leave it to others better qualified then I.  ;D

Regards to you.

Cyber-Angel