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Title: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 06, 2009, 07:08:52 pm
Ok, this is where I'm at the moment, mid to distance. I think I have my composition mapped out, but thought I would throw this out there to see what people thought.

There's only one external model in this at the moment, and the only image maps are for that one model, a crappy wheat model from Vue. Everything else is native to Terragen.

I'm not too happy about my Altocumulus, it's straight out of the box, ie add mid level 3D volumetric. Will need to work on that a little.

Earth in the foreground has a long way to go yet.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: buzzzzz1 on June 06, 2009, 07:14:33 pm
Looks nice, especially the background. Here's a wheat model which looks pretty good http://www.terragen.org/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item239 (http://www.terragen.org/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item239)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 06, 2009, 07:17:31 pm
Buzz, brilliant mate, much appreciated.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: rcallicotte on June 06, 2009, 08:13:21 pm
Very nice.  A little higher quality clouds would be peachy.   :)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: schmeerlap on June 07, 2009, 05:22:09 am
Excellent realism in the mid ground with the coppiced hill and the hedgerows. It's looking good.

John
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: cyphyr on June 07, 2009, 05:57:19 am
EXCELLENT :) You say that you've only used one image map but surely the field colours and hedges are made up of another two image maps or do you have a secret technique going here? Looking forward to this one, no particular suggestions, I think your nailing it nicely :)
Richard
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: tumasch on June 07, 2009, 06:53:45 am
Very nice indeed, couldn't tell what's wrong with the clouds. Is there a reason why you left the foreground without any plants? I mean it gives a good contrast but have you tried with a population?
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: FrankB on June 07, 2009, 07:29:00 am
the middle 25% of the render are completely photorealistic to me!!
Agree that the clouds give it away. I don't want to appear too "sellie" here, but I think some of the presets of the sky starter pack would be ideal for this scene.

Greetings,
Frank
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: MacGyver on June 07, 2009, 07:56:59 am
Believe it or not - when I'm looking out the window, I see exactly the same... amazing! The landscape in Gloucestershire seems to be very similar to where I live :)
Frank is right about the clouds, they could use some tweaking ;)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: Tangled-Universe on June 07, 2009, 08:31:24 am
Great work so far already!
The mid-ground is very photorealistic.
What are you planning for the foreground?

Quote from: FrankB on June 07, 2009, 07:29:00 am
the middle 25% of the render are completely photorealistic to me!!
Agree that the clouds give it away. I don't want to appear too "sellie" here, but I think some of the presets of the sky starter pack would be ideal for this scene.

Greetings,
Frank


Agree, the first cloudtype which came in my mind is the "windy clouds" from that pack.
Used that also in my latest canyon-image. Think it will fit this scene perfectly.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 07, 2009, 09:03:54 am
Cheers for the feedback all.

I agree, the clouds need some work, I'm trying to do all this on my own as a learning exercise, although eventually I will buy those tech packs.

Quote from: cyphyr on June 07, 2009, 05:57:19 am
You say that you've only used one image map but surely the field colours and hedges are made up of another two image maps or do you have a secret technique going here?


It's all being done with blue nodes. Those fields and stone walls cover the whole planet and is being generated with voronoi noise. I've managed to make four seperate and conforming masks for the field types. The bushes along the field edges and the woods on the hill are actually rock populations. The only bitmap used so far is for the wheat model.

QuoteIs there a reason why you left the foreground without any plants? I mean it gives a good contrast but have you tried with a population?


The fore ground will be a broken dry stone wall, again made with functions. It's not quite ready yet. Then in front of that will be some detail on the earth with a load of grasses and nettles.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: arisdemos on June 07, 2009, 11:48:28 am
Once you get the foreground working and crop the top half of the sky you will have a winner with this. Like almost all of your work, and best wishes for the contest.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: DaveC on June 07, 2009, 12:33:25 pm
Nice sense of scale.  It will be really interesting seeing how your foreground plans come along.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: GioMez on June 07, 2009, 12:36:51 pm
With some more work in the immediate foreground it will be a real photorealistic work!
Someone might think it is a photo ;D
Maybe I'd decrease the coverage in the altocumulous, but it is a matter of taste.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: domdib on June 07, 2009, 04:57:04 pm
The fields look great - maybe once the contest is over you could give us a quick tutorial?

The clouds look pretty good to me. I think once you nail the foreground and the wheat it will be superb.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 07, 2009, 05:17:16 pm
Thanks for the encouragement.

Here's an update, I want to play with the birch a little more, not too happy about the leaf colour and need to have a go at the bark tile, especially the displacement map at the branch roots. The GI on this one is 1 2, so there's room for improvement in the shadows, maybe need to make the stone gaps wider, but as there's going to be plants infront of the wall, I may leave as is. Oh, the wall is completely procederal btw. 50 mins to render on a quad core 2.66 XP32bit.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: domdib on June 07, 2009, 05:35:59 pm
Wow. That stone wall rocks!

Re the birch model, where did you get it from? The twigs seem a bit too straight to me - they usually are slightly curved - and the leaf distribution seems too regular, and the leaves a bit too big. See this pic for an example:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamorin/2086241765/
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 07, 2009, 05:48:23 pm
Thanks for the link, that does help. It's an Xfrog birch from their European collection.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: darthvader on June 07, 2009, 05:49:04 pm
Awesome rock wall!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: domdib on June 07, 2009, 05:58:02 pm
Mmm, I may have spoken too soon on the birch, as I'm thinking of the silver birch, but there are other varieties, such as the downy birch, that don't have those distinctively curved twigs as in the picture. Nevertheless, the twigs do look a bit too straight for a real tree - I'm surprised to hear it's an Xfrog model.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 07, 2009, 06:04:02 pm
Well to be fair, one of my colleages had played around with it a bit, so he might of bastardized it somewhat. I'll check with him tomorrow.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: dandelO on June 07, 2009, 06:10:00 pm
I love the rockwall! Really great.
I agree about the tree, though, the leaf spacing is too regular. Not your fault at all, just find a better tree. :)
This is a fantastic render already, you shouldn't take it down a notch by using the wrong model.

That wall! It even has moss! :o
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Seth on June 08, 2009, 01:54:50 am
rockwall Oo
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Dune on June 08, 2009, 02:00:59 am
I'd put some higher tufts of grass at the foot of the birch to conceal its rather simple roots, work on the branches and perhaps put some ferns or moss on the stone wall. And some fill in light in the very dark shadow.

---Dune
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: EoinArmstrong on June 08, 2009, 03:17:54 am
Wow - love the rock wall - I've wanted to do one myself; I must give it a blast.  The background is especially realistic in this one - let's see some more :)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: mr-miley on June 08, 2009, 07:11:39 am
Outstanding render. the mid to background is totally believable, but, do you know what...? because of the strength of the back/mid ground and the wall, I don't think you need the tree at all. Just my 2p worth  ;D

Miles
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: inkydigit on June 08, 2009, 10:38:53 am
not far from my home town...looks great...wouldn't be the west country without a crop circle though!;)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 09, 2009, 03:44:33 am
All great suggestions, many thanks.

I think you're right about the birch, and it had been tinkered with, it originally had autumn follaige. So it's now been put to the chainsaw. I'll have to find something else.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Phylloxera on June 09, 2009, 04:00:40 am
The naked “earthy” foreground seems useless to me!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 09, 2009, 04:04:29 am
I haven't got there yet. :P
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: arisdemos on June 09, 2009, 12:09:38 pm
Perhaps a gnarley old English oak would fit?
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 12, 2009, 06:47:51 pm
Ta. I've been playing around with an Evermotion model. I think I need to get into it a little, and delete a few branches which look like a plumber's been at it. I also think I need to put in a fake light source to help with the shadows, but think I'll leave that until after I've put the fore ground together.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: neuspadrin on June 12, 2009, 06:53:37 pm
 :o :o :o

amazing
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #2 for NWDA competition
Post by: domdib on June 12, 2009, 06:58:03 pm
Yep, this tree is a BIG improvement - loving the bark texture. Frames the landscape beautifully.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Seth on June 12, 2009, 07:40:35 pm
very very good job !
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: moodflow on June 12, 2009, 08:22:26 pm
Wow, this looks pretty darn realistic!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 12, 2009, 09:02:54 pm
Thank you. The next part is going to be an even greater challenge to get right.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: cyphyr on June 12, 2009, 09:59:51 pm
Nothing to add, this is looking very good :)
I'm interested in how you light the tree, good work on the bark too.
Richard
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Henry Blewer on June 12, 2009, 11:10:55 pm
(stunned expression on my face)
I think this pic is finished. It is photo quality! Well done.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: RogueNZ on June 13, 2009, 12:58:33 am
Pretty awesome image - dont get rid of the trees on the hill though!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 13, 2009, 08:22:44 am
I forgot to switch them back on in the last render.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: inkydigit on June 13, 2009, 09:33:05 am
astonishingly realistic...amazing!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: arisdemos on June 13, 2009, 03:08:02 pm
Perhaps a tad less distinct seperation (blurring?) on margin boundaries of the top farm fields with the higher slopes of the background hills.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: MacGyver on June 13, 2009, 05:28:38 pm
Kudos from me too, I love the bark *wouf* :-*
Hehe, just a little word play ;D
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Zairyn Arsyn on June 13, 2009, 09:48:03 pm
I really like the bark displacements, awesome good work.
:)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: schmeerlap on June 14, 2009, 05:06:50 am
Wonderful realism. When you're finished with this scene it's going to take a real practiced eye to determine that this isn't a photograph.

John
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: choronr on June 15, 2009, 10:00:17 pm
Very inspirational work here. Makes me think I better go back to finger painting!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: littlecannon on June 18, 2009, 04:26:53 pm
Very nice...
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Tangled-Universe on June 18, 2009, 05:43:53 pm
How is this one going so far? Near finished or did you make it even better? :)

Martin
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on June 19, 2009, 01:11:50 am
Been busy the last couple of weeks, so not had much TG time. Did a little bit the other night. I need to get this job out of the way before I can get stuck in.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: EoinArmstrong on June 19, 2009, 03:03:22 am
Holy crap!  Stunning stuff!  You should be proud :)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 12, 2009, 05:46:21 pm
Almost there...
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 12, 2009, 05:49:04 pm
Not sure I like the previous colour correction.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Tangled-Universe on July 12, 2009, 06:08:15 pm
Simply awesome work, very good!
I prefer the 2nd one, the 1st one is a bit too contrasted and too dark in the shadows (especially in the upper left)

Martin
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: domdib on July 12, 2009, 06:11:42 pm
Glad to see you're finally working on this again. As TU says, awesome stuff, and I agree the second image is better. The one thing I'd remove is the house in the midground, as its colour makes it look shopped in.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: choronr on July 12, 2009, 06:19:41 pm
I like this latest image. Something you might consider is a fill light giving a bit of light to the lower shadowed area. This would give more detail to the broken wall and surrounding area; yet, I don't think it would take away from the primary focus. Beautiful work here.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Henry Blewer on July 12, 2009, 06:27:56 pm
This is great. I agree that the house looks out of place. It's probably because of the atmosphere settings.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Seth on July 13, 2009, 08:17:21 am
very very good realism !
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 13, 2009, 12:10:48 pm
Thanks for the feedback guys. The house hasn't been textured yet, I thought I'd just throw it in and see what people said. I think it's too large, and needs to drop down a little.

I'm not sure about using a fill light on this one, I'd rather notch up the camera exposure to 3, which seemed to do the trick on a test I did last night.

I also think the moss has become a bit luminous, I think it needs to be darker.

Anyway, I'm now running out of time, and another TG project has become a priority with work, so one more render, and that will be that.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: tee on July 13, 2009, 04:32:55 pm
Great progression on this one, time to pack our bags nothing more to see or do its all here.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My WIP #3 for NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 14, 2009, 02:38:17 pm
Final release at 500k.

I decided to dump the cottage, the image didn't need it as others have rightly said, and it would have taken a few days getting that corner of the field to look like the building should be there, maybe my next project.

Thanks to everyone who've commented, it's been helpfull and motivational to get it finished. Good luck in the competition too, there's some cracking stuff been posted.

Cheers

Jon
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: choronr on July 14, 2009, 03:09:05 pm
This looks like a winner ...absolutely beautiful!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: littlecannon on July 14, 2009, 03:32:37 pm
Jaw Droppingly Wow... :o Love the nettles touch... ouch. Good luck.
Simon.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: tee on July 14, 2009, 04:08:45 pm
Wow the increased light in the foreground added even more realism to this masterpiece.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: domdib on July 14, 2009, 04:31:46 pm
Superb.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: neuspadrin on July 14, 2009, 04:56:47 pm
nope looks horrible you shouldn't submit that....





/sigh... i cant lie its beautiful and perfect... there went the competition.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Tangled-Universe on July 14, 2009, 05:33:41 pm
hmmmm  :-\ imo the last one is too bright, the fields of wheat lack nice contrasts and so does the foreground.
The sense of intense sunshine is very good on the contrary, but no...the previous one really had it for me  :)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Seth on July 14, 2009, 05:52:46 pm
agree with T-U. the precedent one was far better to my eyes...
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Henry Blewer on July 14, 2009, 07:54:21 pm
I think it's only the low plants in the foreground. I have a mediocre monitor, but they appear to have too much white. I would post=process the image, adjusting the contrast.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: neuspadrin on July 14, 2009, 08:40:17 pm
some of the colors felt better in the earlier version but the earlier one was a little too dark... perhaps a inbetween.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Phylloxera on July 15, 2009, 01:30:36 am
Superb and enormous work!
With regard to contrast, the luminosity it is a question of personal taste. What east is to be retained it is the quantity of work carried out! I have true weak for foam on the stones of the wall it is superb!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: MacGyver on July 15, 2009, 02:58:51 am
Quote from: Seth on July 14, 2009, 05:52:46 pm
agree with T-U. the precedent one was far better to my eyes...


Imho I also have to say that it's a bit bright. Anyway, I'll have to consider that I sit in front of a really crappy laptop monitor with very littly contrast and saturation. Apart from this, the image is perfect :)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 15, 2009, 04:56:19 am
I think contrast is something you can add really easily, but once added is really difficult to take away. I suppose a couple of notches wouldn't hurt. What I did want to do, was remove some of the 'sharpness' and 'RGBness' that you'll find in a lot of CG work, so the softness is deliberate.

Oh well.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Matt on July 16, 2009, 12:35:40 am
I think it needed to be brighter than the previous version, so perhaps it just needs to be somewhere in between?

Matt
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: schmeerlap on July 16, 2009, 05:16:50 am
This has progressed really well, and it's now a beautifully balanced English countryside scene. I wouldn't tinker with this any more; sure, someone's always gonna say this should be that, and that should maybe be a bit more like this. You could be forever tinkering to please the pallets of others. If in your own mind it's as good as it's gonna get, then make it a wrap.
But, you see that bit of hedgerow in the middle where you've got . . . . .  ;D

John
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: inkydigit on July 16, 2009, 05:35:03 am
could be Dursley...what about Nibley?...damn fine work!...good luck!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 16, 2009, 06:02:34 am
Well, seeing this again on my home monitor, it does look too pale. I'll post another more contrasted version later.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 16, 2009, 06:19:43 pm
Quote from: schmeerlap on July 16, 2009, 05:16:50 am
But, you see that bit of hedgerow in the middle where you've got . . . . .  ;D

John


Ha ha. Producers eh?

No, there's some valid points there. The comps finished in my head. No more TG, just potato chopping.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: domdib on July 16, 2009, 06:32:33 pm
When you've finished the potato chopping, is there any chance you might favour us with some ideas on how the stone wall was made? I think I'm not the only one who's curious  ;) (and I'm also intrigued by the Voronoi field set-up)
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 16, 2009, 06:55:12 pm
LOL, ahh a secret to the grave. Ahh. You'll have to kill me. Lol

It's a bit convoluted, but makes sense. Sure, will be happy to share. I think 64bit will be an enormous help!!!....Planetside?
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: efflux on July 17, 2009, 06:44:45 pm
This is cool work because it is very distinctively a British looking landscape.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Hetzen on July 19, 2009, 06:23:02 pm
Honestly, this will be the last time I post this image now, just for closure's sake and my sanity.
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: FrankB on July 19, 2009, 06:55:57 pm
this is such an awesome render, I truly love that scene!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Henry Blewer on July 19, 2009, 07:59:11 pm
I am glad you have finished this. It's worth all the effort. I think it would have given the judges much more difficulty deciding on the winners!
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Seth on July 20, 2009, 02:03:03 am
bravo !
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Renegade26 on July 20, 2009, 03:20:04 am
Really good ; Like a photo!

Excellent framing
Title: Re: One step into Gloucestershire - My Final Entry into the NWDA competition
Post by: Tangled-Universe on July 20, 2009, 06:31:40 am
Lovely superquality work!