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Title: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: rcallicotte on August 01, 2009, 07:41:35 AM
I'm wondering what I need to make this work on my PC - http://www.amazon.com/Mac-version-10-6-Snow-Leopard/dp/B001AMHWP8/ref=br_lf_m_1000410511_1_1_img?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=software&pf_rd_p=485134671&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1000410511&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=186NY84ABHXQBK572BMT

I'm obviously in deep ignorance and would appreciate any words of wisdom or direction from Mac users.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: inkydigit on August 01, 2009, 08:21:37 AM
as far as I know, the Snow Leopard upgrade is only available to Mac users running the Leopard OS, I am not sure that you will be able to run this on a windows machine, and as yet the estimated release date of 'sometime in September' has not been made official yet.....
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: Henry Blewer on August 01, 2009, 08:29:01 AM
MaximumPC's Summer 2009 PC How To Guide (magazine) has an article on how to get MAC 0S to work on a PC. Seems like more trouble than it's worth. But the article is complete, and it might actually work.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: rcallicotte on August 01, 2009, 08:50:02 AM
Thanks guys.  I think this price is not an upgrade price, unless I misread it.  Maybe I should just think about buying a Mac.  Hmmm.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: inkydigit on August 01, 2009, 08:52:04 AM
I know that you can run vista on a mac....

http://www.simplehelp.net/2008/05/28/using-boot-camp-to-install-vista-on-your-mac-the-complete-walkthrough/ (http://www.simplehelp.net/2008/05/28/using-boot-camp-to-install-vista-on-your-mac-the-complete-walkthrough/)

and a quick search throws up some stuff like this...
http://dailyapps.net/2008/03/hack-attack-dual-boot-leopard-and-windows-vista/ (http://dailyapps.net/2008/03/hack-attack-dual-boot-leopard-and-windows-vista/)

I guess it is possible, but why not just get a mac and run bootcamp?

that is an upgrade price, you have to be running leo already...
:)
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: old_blaggard on August 02, 2009, 02:34:06 AM
Technically, that is an upgrade price, but usually Apple doesn't worry too much about that stuff. I would just wait and see what other users try before jumping on this yourself.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: efflux on August 02, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
At one stage I've had loved to run OSX on a PC but now that I use Linux, I wouldn't dream of it. Linux is now the dream answer if you hate Windows. I think if you want OSX then it's best to get a Mac. In my opinion, Apple have gone from being top dog for a while to bottom. I do think their hardware is actually good though. A top end Mac compared to a similar PC is not a bad deal but they have bloated out their software and destroyed several market leading apps that they bought.

Nobody will listen though, about Linux.

Take this:

http://ardour.org/

Linux no good for audio, configuration issues, nobody uses it, lack of apps, not commercially viable etc etc. All the usual arguments.

The guy who develops Ardour is now getting $57,000 a year from user contributions alone. He gets $10 a month from me. Subscriptions rise all the time. He saw the light early on i.e. that Windows is useless for audio. OSX is now not much further ahead. Apple are having a laugh with their new Logic version. Crap compared to Ardour especially if you run Ardour on a 64 bit Linux system. Both Windows and OSX are fast becoming a joke to use compared to Linux.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: efflux on August 02, 2009, 06:01:55 PM
My next system will be a quad core PC. However, simply due to TG2 I may be forced to also install Windows and dual boot from two drives. This is not going to make me happy at all. You can run 32 bit Windows apps on a 64 bit Linux system but there are still a few issues with TG2 under Wine. It doesn't render as fast even although other apps do.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: Falcon on August 04, 2009, 04:02:16 AM
Quote from: calico on August 01, 2009, 07:41:35 AM
I'm wondering what I need to make this work on my PC

You need a Mac. Seriously, getting OS X to run on a PC is technically possible in some cases (if you have supported hardware), but it's not worth the trouble, because the main advantage of OS X is the tight hardware/software integration that makes it possible that things "just work".

And as other posters already mentioned, you can run windos on a Mac. You can also run Linux, if you want. I personally keep Linux as the system of choice for my servers, but my desktop machines all run OS X.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: inkydigit on August 04, 2009, 08:31:52 AM
on a semi related note:
Install and Boot OS X 10.4 On a Flash Drive....
http://blog.bradbergeron.com/2006/11/howto-install-and-boot-os-x-on-a-flash-drive/ (http://blog.bradbergeron.com/2006/11/howto-install-and-boot-os-x-on-a-flash-drive/)
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: Henry Blewer on August 04, 2009, 08:35:32 AM
That is essentially what the Maximum PC article is about. Booting from a flash drive that is. There are some other things and installs to do. It seems like a lot of trouble for something which may not be very compatible with Mac software.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: efflux on August 04, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
However, despite what I say about Linux, it is true that Mac's always simply work. I had one for several years with hardly a single glitch. I do tell people to buy Mac's if they are not very knowledgeable about computers.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: rcallicotte on August 27, 2009, 10:06:13 AM
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137110/Review_Apple_s_Snow_Leopard_opens_door_to_a_fab_future?source=CTWNLE_nlt_mac_2009-08-25

It's out and I wonder about it, once again.  How well does TG2 run on an Intel Mac OS?  Anyone try it?
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: inkydigit on August 27, 2009, 11:06:34 AM
I have an intel mac, and TG2 (deep)(alpha) runs fine on my machine...I am a mac fan,and havent tried tg2 on a pc, so I am probably biased!
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: old_blaggard on August 27, 2009, 11:54:59 AM
TG2 Mac runs fine on Snow Leopard. However, if you're thinking of switching just for TG2 speed gains, think again: it's about the same. If you're thinking of switching for other reasons, then I would put TG2 into the "won't get faster, but also won't break" category.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: rcallicotte on August 27, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
Thanks guys.  I'm thinking of switching due to "...won't break" category.  Not just for TG2, but for other packages I have that might run better.  First, I need to see what  I have that will run on the Mac OS, since some of my software might be PC only. 

Thanks again.  This Snow Leopard looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: Oshyan on August 27, 2009, 11:07:06 PM
TG2 actually doesn't scale as well on Mac OS at present, so it's slower on an equivalent machine. That being said it's our intention to optimize it so that TG2 takes best advantage of both platforms. As I understand it, Snow Leopard does bring some nice speed gains for multithreaded applications across the board, TG2 included, so it's a better time than ever to consider.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: jo on September 22, 2009, 01:30:43 AM
Hi,

Running Windows on an Intel Mac is completely viable. If you won't want to be booting backwards and forwards you can use a virtualisation app like Parallels or various VMWare products. I'm not sure how well TG2 would run under those, but if there just a few Windows apps you can't be without then it could be a good way to do it.

Alternatively you can install and boot into Windows using Apple's Bootcamp, a utility which comes with the OS. I've been using both Vista 32 and 64 on different machines using Bootcamp and it's working really well. Installing Vista 64 wasn't so easy, but I managed it in the end with patience :-).

What Oshyan says about TG2 Mac being slower than TG2 Windows is true, but only once you get past 2 - 4 cores, depending on the scene. That's not really an issue unless you're buying a Mac Pro as I don't think Apple sells any quad core machines aside from Mac Pros. In any case it should be possible to bring it into performance parity by the end of the year.

Regards,

Jo
Title: Re: Mac Users - Help?
Post by: rcallicotte on September 22, 2009, 08:37:32 AM
Thanks.  Still thinking...