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I watched it with my girlfriend on Tvnz 2 on Saturday is this movie supposed to be a joke?
what an embarrassment to science fiction
Someone inserted Picard having a Data headache into the the Starship Troopers movie? That's funny! LOL
Was it the original Starship troopers or the many even more shameful sequels? The original was, well, bad, but sort of mocking itself too, so kind of funny and "good" in that campy way. The rest I haven't seen but have only heard... bad bad things. ;D
- Oshyan
Wetbanana , wait until you see the sequels . I have seen them all (unfortunately ) ;D
Kadri.
From what i have seen the third one and the latest as far as i am aware was a tad bit better then the first. The second was straight to video like the third but the third was an attempt to rescue the very bad second in which case did not. The first had very good visual effects for the time it was made even though everyone died stupidly. I can just imagine adding some dialog: "You, go over there and die stupidly." "Private Bob, go over in the open and die even more stupidly." "Sgt Billy, back track around over the closed pass where no one can here or see you and die." Then i'll go over here and die even more so stupidly."
Read the book, it's better then the movie..
They usually are. ;D
I think the book is better then the film , but not so much that you feel he betrayed the material.
Kadri.
Did anyone read this ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Maker
From Olaf Stapledon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_Stapledon
I would love to see this filmed. But it is nearly impossible .
Kadri
the first was good... not serious and joking about the seriousness of usual sci-fi movies ;D
and i liked how it shows the future... thought it was a good way to spit on imperialism ;)
I liked the first one. It didn't take itself too seriously (in fact I don't think it took itself at all seriously), the SFX were good and the lead woman in it is stunning ;D I think if you watched it as a "serious" Sci-Fi movie you'd be rather disappointed though. I think it has the feel of Robocop in that respect.
Quote from: CCC on January 10, 2010, 08:50:56 PM
I can just imagine adding some dialog: "You, go over there and die stupidly." "Private Bob, go over in the open and die even more stupidly." "Sgt Billy, back track around over the closed pass where no one can here or see you and die." Then i'll go over here and die even more so stupidly."
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You're going to kill your mouse grinning.
No, I just type ;-D (no dash, I just put that in there so it wouldn't replace it) and Ctrl-C it. Then I hold down Ctrl-V for a while then copy and paste the huge block.
Starship troopers is great, one of the best SciFi's to come out of the 90's. A great sense of irony is required to watch it, it is self parodying and talking about racism, media, society, belonging, citizenship etc (want to know more?*) Look at how recent concepts of the "citizen" have changed since 911, who has the right to decide the future of our society etc.
The follow-ups were unmitigated (deleted due to decency) and not worth the time.
:)
Richard
Well I disagree! ;) The dialog was pathetic, but the BUGS were AWESOME!
My favorite 90's Sci-Fi flick would have to be The Fifth Element. Just my two cents. - Bill .
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Quote from: mr-miley on January 11, 2010, 04:14:57 AM
the lead woman in it is stunning ;D
lol your right about that^^
yeah the graphics where damn good for the time its a 13 year old movie lol and i must admit it was a laugh when the soldiers body parts kept flying of during the battles
The graphics were exceptional, but I agree with your original post.
I found it it very awkward to watch, and the childish banter was pseudo cartoon trash.
Sad to say.... most Bruce Willis films were better.
The last science fiction films i was really emerged was Alien , Aliens and Terminator 2 .
There are good films but as an experience these stand out for me .
But 2001 is in another league completely (for me) . This generation can barely watch it i think .
Kadri.
Quote from: Kadri on January 11, 2010, 08:06:20 PM
This generation can barely watch it i think. /quote]
True. But this generation is not not doing what I was 30 years ago. Or maybe they are are, and Avatar is their 2001.
2001 was confusing as a teenager, and 2010 'the movie' explained it all, for those of us that partook in the 70's. :D :D :D
If Avatar is the 2001 of this generation everything has gone wrong from the sixties up to this point :)
Kadri.
Ahhhh, 2001. Still one of the greatest films ever made. Not a bad comment from me, who has seen it loads of times and still has no idea what it was about :D Cinimatography some of the best eve, in any type of film. HAL is still my favourite PC ever (alright, maybe PC is an understatement...) Every computer I have ever owned (or had in work) has been called HAL_9000. Sad, but true :)
5th Element has to rank up there with some of the best though. Another one that doesn't take itself too seriously.
But if you want true genius, you can't beat Bad Taste. Made for £2.50, with, if you read the credits, every family member of the production crew roped in to do something. Honestly, there are only about 6 different surnames in the entire credits. Laugh a minute and totally over the top SFX. Brilliant.
I'm a Derek, and Dereks don't run!
Time to call "The Boys". ;D
Quote from: Kadri on January 11, 2010, 08:31:23 PM
If Avatar is the 2001 of this generation everything has gone wrong from the sixties up to this point :)
Kadri.
I think i should exclude technology , but you get the point .This is more from an artistic point of view .
2001 can be criticized too from some aspects .
5th Element is a comedy nothing more :)
I have seen yesterday " Moon " . It is interesting , especially if you consider that there is only (nearly) one actor in it .
Kadri.
Quote from: Kadri on January 12, 2010, 07:24:07 AM
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2001 can be criticized too from some aspects .
that's true. for example, it was really boring most of the time. It surely captured the to-be-expected silence in space well, but boy....
On the other hand, it's many years ago when I watched 2001 once, maybe I will see this differently nowadays. :)
Cheers,
Frank
Quote from: FrankB on January 12, 2010, 08:58:40 AM
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that's true. for example, it was really boring most of the time.
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Cheers,
Frank
Did you see Stalker ? If you did see it , you know what i mean :D
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079944/
Kadri.
The 5th Element was unique in terms of look but it is nothing more then a fun visual/action flick. 2001 is visual and cinematographic genius but a story that adds nothing:
http://www.confusedmatthew.com/2001%3A-A-Space-Odyssey.php
The fellow above sums it up very well.
Had not seen Moon yet but it reminds me of Cast Away in the sense of one actor trying to keep the audience in the theater. Cast Away i liked a lot.
David Lynch's Eraser Head was very boring as well but there is something about that fellow that fascinates me.
This Matthew guy is annoying :)
My English is hindering to write what i really think about 2001 . I like it much .
But i know that it is too long and sometimes boring. In this generation more then those days .
But please , can he not see that it is not about one human or a group of human ? It is about the evolution of the human race.
Man like ape evolves to make tools (thus the flying crap :) ) and makes an artificial intelligence ( in a way another kind of living thinking species )
and is hunted by it . But in the end evolves to another form of superior species .
This is the story !
You can interpret it on other levels . But saying that it is about nothing is like not seeing the forest because of the trees..
And when you judge films (it is the same on other things ) you have to consider the condition of the days it is made.
No one had seen such images until this film . Computer generated images (Mathew says nothing there too.. He don't know about film history ) was used too on those days.
Yes it is long and so ... But think about please . Why is " Bronenosets Potyomkin " http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0015648/ one of the classics ?
I have seen it . And maybe there are tons of better videos on Youtube that are maybe better now . But this is because of films like these.
Do you know The Godfather ? I know you know it probably . I still love this film . This film is glorifying murderers... But it has its place too in film history .
As i grow up my viewpoint of films changed too...
Anyway... But please if you evaluate films don't evaluate it from winkers view.
This is not towards you CCC . I mean it in general .
Cheers.
Kadri.
Sometimes he can get very passionate about his reviews and i do not agree with everything he reviews either. It is a 50/50 with him.
CCC not that i trust Roger Ebert all the times but this article is good (in my opinion :) ) .
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19970327/REVIEWS08/401010362/1023
Nobody has to like everything but i like films where you have to think . Does Avatar have such a feeling after the film?
I think the most conversation after seeing it is around " wow what effects " kind of.
But after films like 2001 you think "what was this?"." What was the meaning " and so...
Kadri.
I don't mind being inspired by a films "awe" but 2001 leaves me thinking too much with too many questions then answers. Some questions are fine but i felt empty after the end of the film and none of the characters i felt for. Maybe Hal 9000, a computer of all things. A film that inspires with visuals is fine but if that all mostly of a film is then it is boring. A plot about the rise of man does nothing for me. It is basic at it's core unless you can through in some very cleaver smaller plot devices in between the larger picture but the film was nothing but the larger picture and some guys and a computer thrown in. At least in Avatar i felt for the characters to a point and what was happening around them. Was the film unique like 2001, no it was another Dances with Wolves with a exaggerated forest and colorful lifeforms and yes the effects are all it had going for it but it was a better film in the sense of characters and pace. It did not even need the battle at the end and it still would have been the same thing. The plot was very formulatic of course.
I love thinking films myself but when they leave based on a very simple plot outline and are left empty handed then no amount of visuals or camera work will ever rescue a film and i can say the same about Avatar as well. A good example of good film making is Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Good plot that was well paced, characters that you felt for and grew with throughout the story arc and came to a fulfilling conclusion. In my personal opinion a far superior film then the others. I am one who dis-likes more movies then most people only because i feel there is always something missing, sure no film maker or writer is perfect but there are many clever elements that lacks in this industry.
What about Return of the Jedi?
I think one is art the other pop culture . Don't get me wrong i can not see films like 2001 and such all the time...mostly quit the other way around :)
But directors like Cameron , Spielberg , Peter Jackson are more workman then artists .
For example maybe the most trying to do really good films is Spielberg .
But he has his limits. Private Ryan or Schindler's list are good films but he can not escape his popular limited aspects in those too.
He feels that he must stick his message in our eyes.
Maybe because of this Encounters of the Third Kind (Jaws too) is one of his best.
Since there is no message in this film (if you try hard there is a message in every bad movie too) .
Only humans who are searching for something . And this is good portrayed and acted .
No one of these are in the same league as Kubrick but he has his own faults. Mostly lifeles characters or too much stylistic.
I like Kubrick . But then i have seen " The lord of the Rings" much further then 2001 :)
Kadri.
Quote from: TheBlackHole on January 12, 2010, 09:53:17 PM
What about Return of the Jedi?
Lucas is the worst of all them . He is a worksman . Period . He has created a very limited universe and is milking it since 30 years.
See the films . 6 Films of them . How much of planets did you see in them? He is the capitalist side of Holywood .
And one of the guilty ones that we are seeing so much hyped trash now . Please don' say that i don' get it or such.
I have seen Star Wars more then maybe 40 ? 50? times. So much i loved it since i saw the İmp. Destroyer coming from above...
No i can not defend it.
If wee see Avatar now it is his fault . The younger one in me is happy about this. But the intellectual side...
Kadri.
If anyone here says Transformers i will not say anything . But your film taste will not be considered much further by me :)
Except you are under the age of 20 ( i am most of the time too tolerant ) or so ;)
Not that it matters on the internet but i feel better by saying so.
Kadri.
Quote from: Kadri on January 12, 2010, 10:12:26 PM
Lucas is the worst of all them . He is a worksman . Period . He has created a very limited universe and is milking it since 30 years.
See the films . 6 Films of them . How much of planets did you see in them? He is the capitalist side of Holywood .
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I have seen Star Wars more then maybe 40 ? 50? times. So much i loved it since i saw the İmp. Destroyer coming from above...
No i can not defend it.
1. >:(
2. >:(
3. He's milking a very limited universe? No he's not. Have you heard of the Expanded Universe?
4. I have seen all six. I've seen quite a variety of planets in them. There's a desert planet, at least 2 earthlike planets, 3 gas giants, an ice world, a volcanic planet, a swamp/rainforest one, a redwood forest moon, a jungle-ish moon, and a planet entirely covered in a city.
5. >:(
6. Yes, the Star Destroyer is cool.
7. >:(
8. You're blaming George Lucas for Avatar? Why?
Please read this TheBlackHole .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_%28entertainment%29
And visual effects are more common as a selling point of films since Star Wars .
Of course it is not only his fault but he is one of the most that contributed to this.
Kadri.
If you don't mind long reading this is another take on the movie industry .
"Why Are Movies So Bad? or, The Numbers" from the year 1980
http://www.reel.com/content/reelimages/hollconf2001/kael_0905.html
Edit : TheBlackHole read the " Cinematic influence " section of this please :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV
Kadri.
"Not long before she died, Pauline remarked to a friend, "When we championed trash culture we had no idea it would become the only culture."
That's exactly the point. She and her foot soldiers won the battle but lost the war.
Mass taste has become acceptable taste, box-office receipts the ultimate measure of a film's worth.
The pop films Kael most loved, such as "Hud" (1963), if made today, would be considered art-house fare."
Wrote Paul Schrader about Pauline Kael .
Cheers.
Kadri.
Makes sense about the art vs pop culture. I for one am more interested in real artists then what society deems popular because most of what is stinks. Probably why people like me are outcasts and listens to ambient music. ;D
I think Kubrick can point a camera, light a scene and get it right. The guy was a perfectionist much like Chaplin who i believe both would have contests on how may times a scene would be re-filmed. ;D Cameron for Avatar had an artistic vision even though his vision was greatly inspired by the world around him and the past. I can in that sense consider him an artist. For the others, i would say less so. What i like about Spielberg at least the way he used to be is he can take his actors and make them seem like ordinary people who are caught up in events bigger then themselves and react accordingly. Jackson is a workhorse indeed but who would have thought this is the guy that made Bad Taste. ;D
Private Ryan or Schindler's List he felt very passionate about those due to the subject matter he deeply felt for. This is why he wanted those moments to impact the audience such as they did. Jaws was great and the only good one. ;D
Kubrick was a filming genius in many ways but as said he does have limitations.
It has been a few years sense i had seen LOTR again. Not to big in the film like i used to be even though they are well made films but i think i tend to feel there is so much going on that is is hard to remember any memorable moments from any of the three films.
What worked for Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and some of Return of the Jedi is Lucas was held back from having absolute control of the production and that is a good thing to. He can not direct any actor no matter who they are. Case and point are all of the pre-equals. Star Wars was better acted by his direction in the distant past but not nearly as well as Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand for the others. Lucas however was heavily inspired by Flash Gordon, fairy tales and Akira Kurosawa and you see a lot of the all throughout the universe which is not a bad thing but i do also feel it is a limited universe and has been overdone. Did we need to know about Anakin's past and how the Empire came to power, not really. Best to leave some things alone. If more were to made anyways i think what would have made for better films would have been the Timothy Zahn books. Hollywood seems to have this obsession with pre-equals and re-makes. Why not move forward.
Star Wars worked well at the time it was released because Lucas was doing it at the right time when these types of productions were new, experimental and exciting that no one has ever seen before. Any other decade and Star Wars would probably not have been a success. Then let's have Star Trek TMP and Alien, Ridley Scott's play on the sci-fi film rise. What made Star Wars form additional ideas was not so much Lucas but the people who worked around him, the conceptual artists, matte painters, sculptors and so on. Lets not forget massive piles of RPG supplements and endless piles of novels. I don't think his material is anything revolutionary or vastly unique as was the youthful ''awe'' of the time of Star Wars' debut.
I think if done right films if this genre can be fun and intellectual but it seems very difficult to cleverly blend the two.
Oh, Starship Troopers. ;D
"Kill Them All."
What Verhoven did was silly when this is the guy who did Robocop. A near future, gritty crime film whom i felt for Murphy AKA Robocop. Poor guy. :(
I think we are not so far from each other as it seemed in the first CCC ;)
Kadri.
Quote from: Kadri on January 13, 2010, 01:41:17 AM
I think we are not so far from each other as it seemed in the first CCC ;)
Kadri.
Well, one never knows. ;)
hehehehe
what a serious talking about not so serious movies, guys ^^
Star Wars is fuckin' great (at least the first three movies) even if the story is old like litterature : the knight saving the princess...
great specail FX, great characters, great universe. you definitely can't say Lucas created a "small" universe. that is totally wrong. everything is precisely detailled in several books and all. I think it is a mistake to criticize Lucas' universe just because the guy made a lot of money with it ;)
2001 ? yeah... Kubrick... movie for intellectual brain perhaps... be honest, it is like a neverending day. You can take a nap and when you wake up, the movie is still on and nothing changed on the screen... you can say that it is about races, human kind and all... it is boring guys :D
Star Trek ? hahaha
Aliens ? yeaaaah the first was so gooood ! but... moving camera, shitty FX, and you could tell what is coming next during the movie... everything was very conventionnal after all... and the sequels were... so bad...
You keep talking seriously about a genre that i think is just for entertainment. come on Guys !!! Avatar has a story that a 4 child boy can create but it is very nice to watch.
tell me that you were bored during the movie !
Sci-Fi Movies are not for some intellectual brainstorming, they exist for you to have a good time. If you want some brainsdtorming, buy a science book.
And i really think Starship Troopers was a good one, joking about american society and sci-fi "serious" movies. but the book was far better of course.
True but i enjoy being critical of everything, serious or not. I can even criticize a comedy like American Pie. ;) It helps my brain stay fresh but indeed i do understand some film is there merely for entertainment and i can understand that. I can laugh my butt off watching re-runs of Airplane II. ;D
What books? Books that Lucas wrote? For me i have nothing against banking on ones success. More power to your capital i say. Small as in simplistic terms in my opinion but this does not have to be a entirely bad thing, i mean not everything has to be larger then life. I just want a good story. Star Wars is really for the kids. I still get a nostalgic felling for the originals but that is the kid in me but never in my adult side i would ever write like that. I'd prefer films that has more substance over style and has plot twists and false climaxes.
To be honest if i were a screen writer i'd write both family and gridy adult films. I still at 33 watch Donald Duck cartoons but also enjoy rated R stuff if well done.
Well, yeah 2001 is a boring plot, character and premise wise but visually it is fascinating.
Hey, i love The Wrath of Kahn. That was well made.
I like Aliens. Cameron's take was kick ass but i can understand it was less scary then the first. It had good characters as well. Hudson was bad, too bad he dies. Ridley Scott however is a darn good realist and a very good art director. I'd love to meet the man.
Sci-fi can be both entertaining and serious. You can have thought provoking stories that can be entertaining as well. Blade Runner, Close Encounters, Contact, West World, Soylent Green, Dune, i like both, a good balance between the two if done right. Avatar could have easily been the story a kid could write, i agree which is one of the reasons i did not like it. Visually it was grand but not very original with it's material and very simplistic overall. Hard-core sci-fi bores the heck out of me.
I suppose Starship Troopers could be looked at as satire. I had never thought of that if that was Verhoven's intent.
Quote from: CCC on January 13, 2010, 04:52:22 AM
I suppose Starship Troopers could be looked at as satire. I had never thought of that if that was Verhoven's intent.
that is how he presented the movie by then ^^
he always told that it was a satire indeed.
Blade Runner was real good and to be honest, one of my favorite movie !!! very different from the book (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep ?)
as for Dune... yeah, if you never read the book it is a good movie i guess... but if you did read the book, it is just another Hollywood bad movie inspired by a great novel ! Dune's novels are one of my fav' books !!! even the sequels from his son are good :)
Ahh, well then. I have to re-watch it again soon to appreciate his interpretation. ;)
Yes, very different but Phillip K Dick loved what he saw on the set with Ridley before his death. Real bummer to. It's my favorite as well. I have the brief case DVD set and listen to the film score often. As a kid i actually was allowed to see it. ;D
To be honest David Lynch was very unhappy with his vision of Dune. I have to wonder how it could have been improved say he was allowed to go back. The novels of course are just epic and richly layered.
Seth you write in such a way i can not be angry at you even if i don't agree and have the opposite opinion .
Your style and what you said remembered me on this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
;D
Life isn't always bright especially in the other country's outside ABD , Europa , Japan and such rich country's .
And guess in which country's are science fiction more produced ?
"Serious " art itself is entertainment for me :)
I saw the 2D version of Avatar. It doesn't bored me . But all the story was in the trailers and on the net .
No place that i was surprised or so . I wanted to see it in 3D . To see the 3D version i had to go 135 km to another town. I nearly was going to go .
But then i said to myself f..k it , for this story no. In the past i would probably go much further.
I did this voyage for a film a long time ago in a...hmm... for The Return of The Jedi .
And this film was one of the moments i begun to realize that there are more - or less things then you see on the movie screen .
Especially the Ewoks did awake me from my deep sleep .
And no , making money from movies isn't bad.
But making knowingly bad movies to make money is bad.
I don't know why but this melody is stuck now in my brain
"Always Look On The Bright Side of Life ....."
Cheers.
Kadri.
CCC , if i remember correctly the bugs in Starship Troopers were controlled from bigger bugs.
If you want you can think of this the equivalent of the fascistic administration and propaganda of the humans .
If we all try harder we would maybe find the meaning of life somewhere in the bugs caves ;D
Seriously this film has some messages . But Paul Verhoeven isn't at the capacity to deliver it Like a good director can.
But i am curious of this film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389557/ Has anyone seen this?
Kadri.
Quote from: Kadri on January 13, 2010, 07:59:31 AMSeriously this film has some messages .
This film IS a message. I think of all movies mentioned in this thread, Starship Troopers might be he most "serious" one. I like it a lot, but I also can understand that many eople turn off after a few minutes and say "what the hell...". It looks so cheesy and sounds so cheesy that most people turn off before they get the message.
Wasn´t Verhoeven also director of Total Recall? Liked that one too.
District 9 was a good one too !
nice messages in it :)
Dune.... hmmmm. Fantastic books! Awful film if you'd read them, not a bad film if you hadn't ;D They did do a TV mini series of the first book. That wasn't half as bad as the films. Because it was a lot longer, they had more room for the more booky stuff and hence it was a lot closer to the story. Only saw it once. Well worth a watch if it comes on TV again
Quote from: mr-miley on January 13, 2010, 09:22:30 AM
Dune.... hmmmm. Fantastic books! Awful film if you'd read them, not a bad film if you hadn't ;D They did do a TV mini series of the first book. That wasn't half as bad as the films. Because it was a lot longer, they had more room for the more booky stuff and hence it was a lot closer to the story. Only saw it once. Well worth a watch if it comes on TV again
errrr... don't tell me that Paul Muad'ib looks like that ! and the Fremen !!! the serie was a joke too :D
Quote from: Kadri on January 13, 2010, 07:59:31 AM
CCC , if i remember correctly the bugs in Starship Troopers were controlled from bigger bugs.
If you want you can think of this the equivalent of the fascistic administration and propaganda of the humans .
If wee all try harder we would maybe find the meaning of life somewhere in the bugs caves ;D
Seriously this film has some messages . But Paul Verhoeven isn't at the capacity to deliver it Like a good director can.
But i am curious of this film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389557/ Has anyone seen this?
Kadri.
The brain bug, yes.
I had not ever heard of Zwartboek. It is interesting to see him as director and writer. Like many directors they do have the capacity to have there ups and downs but i don't think Uwe Boll ever had an up. ;D
Yes, Verhoeven did Total Recall and the biggest body count in film history as well. ;D
Was Paul Atreides age 15 in the book if i recall correctly?
As for the series i think they had to work with what little production values they had available and therefore that is perhaps why many of the actors were out of place unknowns and everything looked like an obvious stage set. Children of Dune had a bigger budget and more known actors.
True the series was closer to the book. The Lynch film had many of the director's own ideas like the Weirding Modules, The Heart Plug and a more grotesque Harkonnen image.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160419/
I have not much hope about this . But who knows !
Kadri.
"Would You like to know more??" ;D
Quote from: Kadri on January 19, 2010, 10:07:43 PM
Quote from: ro-nin on January 19, 2010, 10:05:53 PM
"Would You like to know more??" ;D
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This sentence was spread by the broadcast news of the movie all the time!!! It's stuck in my head!!! ;D
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5156699/STARSHIP_TROOPERS_NEWS (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5156699/STARSHIP_TROOPERS_NEWS)
Hi Frank,
Quote from: FrankB on January 12, 2010, 08:58:40 AM
that's true. for example, it was really boring most of the time. It surely captured the to-be-expected silence in space well, but boy....
That is so true. I think it's an awful movie. I've watched it through once a few years back and have tried to again, as recently as a month or so ago, and never have I been able to watch it all the way through.
It has brief moments of design inspiration, but I think the movie as a movie is terrible.
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On the other hand, it's many years ago when I watched 2001 once, maybe I will see this differently nowadays. :)
As time goes by it gets worse and worse.
There is a sequel, 2010 - The Year We Make Contact. That's even worse again ;-).
Regards,
Jo
Quote from: ro-nin on January 19, 2010, 10:21:58 PM
This sentence was spread by the broadcast news of the movie all the time!!! It's stuck in my head!!! ;D
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5156699/STARSHIP_TROOPERS_NEWS (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5156699/STARSHIP_TROOPERS_NEWS)
:)
Quote from: jo on January 19, 2010, 10:22:48 PM
That is so true. I think it's an awful movie. ..
Oh thanks Jo, I'm not the only one apparently :)
What I understand is that there are two kinds of audiences for movie, in general.
One audience is looking for meaning, philosophy and drama.
The other one is looking for entertainment, fun and action.
Both can stand or even like a little bit of the other part in their favourite movies, but not too much.
I think I tend to the second species. At least when I recall the lastest movies I saw (avatar, star trek, body of lies, terminator, ...)
I saw Slum Dog Millionaire, too. That's more for the first audience than for the second, but it was an amazig film nonetheless. I couldn't watch a series of this type of movies one after another, but I could for the second type :)
The worst movie I saw in years was "burn after reading" ... ooohh, what a stupid movie, and not funny in the least.
Cheers,
Frank
Quote from: njeneb on January 10, 2010, 07:58:01 PMSomeone inserted Picard having a Data headache into the the Starship Troopers movie? That's funny! LOL
That is called "facepalm".